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So what your saying is all the Weststigers players should be accredited dozens of try assists for all the opposition teams tries because they didn't do much to score tries, we helped them 🙂
Jackson Hastings #251
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If we are blocking Brooks desire to play elsewhere and everyone on the team knows it, in my opinion he offers no value to us next year unless you honestly believe we have a squad capable of making finals.
Hastings issues are well identified and are separate from anything to do with how the club manages Brooks imo
When he was a kid and in the superleague maybe....
Long (Long) way between both of those and the NRL unfortunately....
Data can show different angles at times. This is one perspective of the data.
I get why people think Hastings is awesome and must be resigned, why people think he is the organiser we have lacked and needed. Heck I really like Hastings & do think he could be a real value add for us over next few years. But the more he touched the ball the more predictable we become which then drives away from having halves either side and him as a lock. We need a balance and in 23 we get one of the best organisers in the comp with Api joining.
With Api coming into the team his usage rates will drop as Api often organises the middles over the years and the halves often play either side of him with a spread style lock off his hip.
If Hastings plays as a lock his usage rates drop to 30-45, if he plays as a halfback it should be around 50-60. That's a massive change in his playing style from 22, it's a 30-60% drop in touches per game.
If you look at Moses, Cleary, DCE and Reynolds 4 organisers they spend more time without the ball organising structure and breakdowns when they get the ball the effectiveness is attack or position play.
Tim Sheens
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Cannot agree on this, as the pair are intrinsically intertwined in the decision making process.
Same goes for Doueihi, as the trio all want to play in the halves and bring different attributes, attitudes and abilities. Also, all three are off contract at the end of the coming season and are able to negotiate elsewhere for a week or so already.
I have no doubt whatsoever that they are being considered both individually and collectively, just as similar personnel would be in any organisation.
Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan
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The organising halfback's job is to have the forwards running where they are meant to, and that we are getting to certain points on the field to execute a plan. It's an important role because it allows the other playmakers to fall out of structure when they see something, and for the rest of the team to fall back into structure immediately. When Jock Madden was playing half, we had no one organising the team and our sets would go nowhere.
Less then mediocre were our halves , if we persist with the idea that the three players that played in the halves last year,will take us further, your wearing rose coloured glasses. The reason we are as bad as we are, is because we buy , and keep, MEDIOCRE. We are trying to aim higher, in a difficult market, i like our progress and have confidence in Sheens. Have faith, cause there's no one else that would take the job. He is a very smart man.
mike
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He’s a good financial manager, that’s it. There is more to being a CEO than that. He is one of the worst NRL CEO’s ever. The sooner he is gone the better off the club will be. COE is his legacy, have a successful winning Rugby League club isn’t. Apart from the COE he has been responsible for one disaster after another.
happy_tiger
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Mate CEO's shouldn't be giving opinions on players ...causes problems
A certain Grant Mayer once said he couldn't see what all the fuss about a certain ex fullback of ours was ...I think he is the captain of our national side now
WesternSuburbsBoy
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small hands that was your problem
tony soprano
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Tiger_Fanatic3
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Hastings to battle on at Wests Tigers
Coach Tim Sheens has shot down claims Jackson Hastings is on the outer at Wests Tigers, suggesting the former Man of Steel is likely to start the season at lock rather than in his preferred position of halfback.Reports emerged last week that Hastings could be on his way out of the Tigers, but Sheens insisted the player is going nowhere.
Sheens has transitioned from leading football performance to head coach at the Tigers - who have failed in attempts to sign Cameron Ciraldo and lure ex-player Todd Payten from North Queensland - a position Benji Marshall will inherit in 2025.
One major point of order for Tigers' only premiership-winning coach will be solving the halves dilemma with which interim boss Brett Kimmorley grappled last season.
Hastings, Luke Brooks and Adam Doueihi are all playmakers by trade and will be vying for two spots in the halves.
One thing is for certain: Hastings and Brooks will be a part of Sheens' plans, despite reports claiming either or both could seek a release from their Tigers contract.
"(Hastings) is contracted. He will be here," Sheens told AAP.
"If I have my say, Luke Brooks will be playing halfback here next year."
Sheens will not confirm his spine for round one until senior players return to training after Christmas but is a fan of Hastings as a lock.
It was Sheens who suggested Kimmorley move Hastings to the middle late last season, leaving Doueihi at five-eighth and Brooks at halfback.
In that combination's three games together, the Tigers defeated Brisbane - who were in the top four at the time - and came close to upsetting premiership heavyweights Penrith and North Queensland.
"Jackson is an organiser. He sees the game, he works hard in the middle," Sheens said.
"We got Adam back (from injury) around that time and with Brooks on the other side, the spine worked pretty well for about three games..
"We don't know (how the spine will look next season) but they were scoring an average of 24 points over those three games that they played.
"I'm not getting carried away with it but they did a good job for a group that had only played a handful of games together."
New assistant coaches Marshall and Robbie Farah will take a hands-on role with the spine, with the former already working with the younger Tigers who are back at training.
"(Marshall) is highly involved. I've been very impressed with him," Sheens said.
Farah has not yet returned to Concord following a stint on Lebanon's World Cup staff but both club legends have won Sheens over.
"They're being schooled in offence and defence, preparation, presentation of what they need to get across to the players," Sheens said.
"They've handled it really well."
Aside from his duties with the playing group, Marshall will have a key role in identifying long-term signings, given his impending switch to head coach.
"We won't be signing anyone that goes into Benji's timeframe that he doesn't agree with," Sheens said. (The West Australian)
Tim Sheens
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Sort of like when Hastings knocked over the field goal against Parramatta, when the lead up to it was just as important.
Oh yeah, go back and look at the following week as well and see what actually occurred.
Played in the Allstars, And was bought in by Freddy in the emerging Origin squad a couple years ago....
Surely that's consideration?
tony soprano
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You'd think Jackson doesn't need to "organise" as much next year with senior personnel coming into the side. API, and a few more senior forwards
I think the message is very clear that Brooks is being treated as a priority ahead of anything in relation to Douehi and Hastings.
As our highest paid player next year with the coach indicating that he sees him as half - his preferred position - you would hope that he is committed to the club. If that is the case and Newcastle is jumping at shadows all well and good.
Maybe someone can teach them where they're supposed to be and what they need to be doing in the next 4 months training so they don't need to be dragged around the park.
Lol- you’re talking about kicking a field goal?
Nothing to do what I was talking about.
Crap.
Tim Sheens
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Maybe on your planet, but on this one where reality exists, the plays leading to results of others were clearly written in your post.
As well as, and to quote you directly "stats don’t show you everything".