Jacob Liddle #198

[2041]

Good news, but AGAIN just two years. FFS, Tigers - if he's the guy lock him up long term and if he's not let him go. He'll be off contract again at age 24, ie just entering his prime. If we assume 2020 is going to be not massively better than 2019 (as we don't have cap room to make any major signings and the promising juniors are more than a year away) we will get exactly one season of Liddle in a potentially competitive team out of this contract.


I think it’s a good decision. He’s a good player but has been injury plagued and hasn’t proven that he can play 80 mins in the NRL.


So he gets enough time with the Tigers to demonstrate that he can stay fit before hitting the open market at 24.


He is way too big a risk to sign for longer than 2 years.

That's one type of risk. The other is finding out that he's good and either losing him or having to pay him way more after 2021.

Look, I don't have particular insight into Jacob Liddle's injuries or how well he'll perform as a starting hooker in the NRL. I know the club has rated him highly for years. They obviously still rate him highly enough to give him a new contract. I also know that the Tigers as a club need to get value out of signing players before they're able to command full value. We can't supplement salaries significantly by legitimate or illegitimate means, so to compete we have to be smart about the contracts we offer.

We keep doing this. Look at Tedesco. He was the subject of a bidding war before he'd played first grade so the Tigers gave him a two year extension that took him to age 21. He lost his whole first season to an ACL and most of his third to a fractured kneecap. When he did the backflip on the Raiders we gave him another three-year deal which allowed him to hit free agency for the second time at the grand old age of 24. Do you think maybe we should have been a bit more ambitious with one of those contracts?

 

[Russell]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Russ there is no way you or anyone else (probably including Liddle himself) can be sure of him managing 80 minutes of NRL every week.

And I don't think Madge is playing favourites, I think he's playing the team that he feels will have the best chance of winning. That team is with Farah at 9. Next year, who knows, I hope Liddle kills it, but even his biggest fans must have some concerns around his durability.

 

[Russell]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Russ there is no way you or anyone else (probably including Liddle himself) can be sure of him managing 80 minutes of NRL every week.

And I don't think Madge is playing favourites, I think he's playing the team that he feels will have the best chance of winning. That team is with Farah at 9. Next year, who knows, I hope Liddle kills it, but even his biggest fans must have some concerns around his durability.

I don't have any concerns Avo - he will kill it.

I am just as sure that he will play out 80 minutes as all those saying that he can't - they don't know either.

CC is not NRL but playing the full game in CC and completing 77 tackles as well as playing good in attack is not a bad trial for it imo.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Good news, but AGAIN just two years. FFS, Tigers - if he's the guy lock him up long term and if he's not let him go. He'll be off contract again at age 24, ie just entering his prime. If we assume 2020 is going to be not massively better than 2019 (as we don't have cap room to make any major signings and the promising juniors are more than a year away) we will get exactly one season of Liddle in a potentially competitive team out of this contract.


I think it’s a good decision. He’s a good player but has been injury plagued and hasn’t proven that he can play 80 mins in the NRL.


So he gets enough time with the Tigers to demonstrate that he can stay fit before hitting the open market at 24.


He is way too big a risk to sign for longer than 2 years.

That's one type of risk. The other is finding out that he's good and either losing him or having to pay him way more after 2021.

Look, I don't have particular insight into Jacob Liddle's injuries or how well he'll perform as a starting hooker in the NRL. I know the club has rated him highly for years. They obviously still rate him highly enough to give him a new contract. I also know that the Tigers as a club need to get value out of signing players before they're able to command full value. We can't supplement salaries significantly by legitimate or illegitimate means, so to compete we have to be smart about the contracts we offer.

We keep doing this. Look at Tedesco. He was the subject of a bidding war before he'd played first grade so the Tigers gave him a two year extension that took him to age 21. He lost his whole first season to an ACL and most of his third to a fractured kneecap. When he did the backflip on the Raiders we gave him another three-year deal which allowed him to hit free agency for the second time at the grand old age of 24. Do you think maybe we should have been a bit more ambitious with one of those contracts?

I think Tedesco would have left eventually no matter what. He's a mercenary and wanted to go to another club for immediate success. As for Liddle, he may go on to be a great player, but he may also be a fizzer. Noone knows. He certainly has talent and is gutsy. But i'm not sure with his history of injuries and the fact we have signed a pretty decent kid from Queensland that you want to sign him long term. Just my opinion.

 

[the_scene]

2 years seem about right. Liddle has shown glimpses but I am not 100% convinced he will become a top line hooker. The club has by all accounts recruited a very promising young hooker who should be ready for first grade in two years time.

 

[madunit]

@madunit we'll have Isaac Luke to share duties with him. Don't worry.

That's very worrying. I hope that does not happen.

 

[madunit]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Even in his 20 and 30 min stints, Liddle has not been better than Farah this year. He has a lot of flair, but he consistently struggles with the little 1%ers. Getting 20 minutes to be explosive should be something he uses to get 30 mins, than 40 mins.

Instead he's not doing that. There's a massive chasm between Farah and Liddle that should be concerning.

Yes, he has bootloads of potential. But we need actual form, runs on the board. He is the full-time 9 next year, he needs to be proving he's ready and he just isn't.

 

[happy_tiger]

Liddle being dropped makes me ask a lot of questions

 

[balmain boy]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Even in his 20 and 30 min stints, Liddle has not been better than Farah this year. He has a lot of flair, but he consistently struggles with the little 1%ers. Getting 20 minutes to be explosive should be something he uses to get 30 mins, than 40 mins.

Instead he's not doing that. There's a massive chasm between Farah and Liddle that should be concerning.

Yes, he has bootloads of potential. But we need actual form, runs on the board. He is the full-time 9 next year, he needs to be proving he's ready and he just isn't.

What rubbish. His delivery from dummy half has always been superior to Farah's. His ability to get the ball quickly to the halves is superior to Farah. His ability to get us moving forwards is superiors to Farah. His ability to bust open the defense is superior to Farah.
Yes at this stage his kicking game is definitely inferior as is his defense, but he's improved a lot on the latter.

The main thing he needs to work on is his engine at the top level. Playing 80 mins in NSW Cup may be more beneficial than playing 20 mins in NRL. If/when our chances of making the finals are over he needs to start every game.

 

[2041]

Good news, but AGAIN just two years. FFS, Tigers - if he's the guy lock him up long term and if he's not let him go. He'll be off contract again at age 24, ie just entering his prime. If we assume 2020 is going to be not massively better than 2019 (as we don't have cap room to make any major signings and the promising juniors are more than a year away) we will get exactly one season of Liddle in a potentially competitive team out of this contract.


I think it’s a good decision. He’s a good player but has been injury plagued and hasn’t proven that he can play 80 mins in the NRL.


So he gets enough time with the Tigers to demonstrate that he can stay fit before hitting the open market at 24.


He is way too big a risk to sign for longer than 2 years.

That's one type of risk. The other is finding out that he's good and either losing him or having to pay him way more after 2021.

Look, I don't have particular insight into Jacob Liddle's injuries or how well he'll perform as a starting hooker in the NRL. I know the club has rated him highly for years. They obviously still rate him highly enough to give him a new contract. I also know that the Tigers as a club need to get value out of signing players before they're able to command full value. We can't supplement salaries significantly by legitimate or illegitimate means, so to compete we have to be smart about the contracts we offer.

We keep doing this. Look at Tedesco. He was the subject of a bidding war before he'd played first grade so the Tigers gave him a two year extension that took him to age 21. He lost his whole first season to an ACL and most of his third to a fractured kneecap. When he did the backflip on the Raiders we gave him another three-year deal which allowed him to hit free agency for the second time at the grand old age of 24. Do you think maybe we should have been a bit more ambitious with one of those contracts?

I think Tedesco would have left eventually no matter what. He's a mercenary and wanted to go to another club for immediate success. As for Liddle, he may go on to be a great player, but he may also be a fizzer. Noone knows. He certainly has talent and is gutsy. But i'm not sure with his history of injuries and the fact we have signed a pretty decent kid from Queensland that you want to sign him long term. Just my opinion.

Well don't sign him at all in that case. Why waste time and cap room developing a guy you don't think is the long-term answer?

It's not good enough to say "no-one knows". Sure, you don't know and I don't know - but it's the club's job to know, or at least to have a bloody good idea. These half-measures deals are no use to anyone: all they do is give young players enough time to prove their value while still being able to play their entire prime on full whack contracts either for the Tigers or elsewhere.

The club needs to get off the damn fence and commit to the young players it thinks are keepers with long-term deals when they're still available for less than what the club thinks their market value will be. Sometimes they'll get it wrong, of course. But making those calls is what they're paid to do.

 

[Madge]

@balmain-boy I'd even say his defence is better than Farah's, Robbie's body is too fragile, an inevitable by product of his age. Yes Faf might have the smarts as an advantage when slowing down the ruck, but Liddle's technique at the moments is far superior to that of Farah's... Also, he gets pushed back every time by an attacker. Robbie has him on the kicking game by far, that is a massive attribute to have and im hoping Liddle does inherent a kicking game and management from dummy half... If he does, he will be exactly what we need.

 

[Demps]

Good signing.
Has all the potential, hope he kicks on...

So who's our other hooker gonna be?

 

[Sart0ri]

Good news, but AGAIN just two years. FFS, Tigers - if he's the guy lock him up long term and if he's not let him go. He'll be off contract again at age 24, ie just entering his prime. If we assume 2020 is going to be not massively better than 2019 (as we don't have cap room to make any major signings and the promising juniors are more than a year away) we will get exactly one season of Liddle in a potentially competitive team out of this contract.


I think it’s a good decision. He’s a good player but has been injury plagued and hasn’t proven that he can play 80 mins in the NRL.


So he gets enough time with the Tigers to demonstrate that he can stay fit before hitting the open market at 24.


He is way too big a risk to sign for longer than 2 years.

That's one type of risk. The other is finding out that he's good and either losing him or having to pay him way more after 2021.

Look, I don't have particular insight into Jacob Liddle's injuries or how well he'll perform as a starting hooker in the NRL. I know the club has rated him highly for years. They obviously still rate him highly enough to give him a new contract. I also know that the Tigers as a club need to get value out of signing players before they're able to command full value. We can't supplement salaries significantly by legitimate or illegitimate means, so to compete we have to be smart about the contracts we offer.

We keep doing this. Look at Tedesco. He was the subject of a bidding war before he'd played first grade so the Tigers gave him a two year extension that took him to age 21. He lost his whole first season to an ACL and most of his third to a fractured kneecap. When he did the backflip on the Raiders we gave him another three-year deal which allowed him to hit free agency for the second time at the grand old age of 24. Do you think maybe we should have been a bit more ambitious with one of those contracts?

I think Tedesco would have left eventually no matter what. He's a mercenary and wanted to go to another club for immediate success. As for Liddle, he may go on to be a great player, but he may also be a fizzer. Noone knows. He certainly has talent and is gutsy. But i'm not sure with his history of injuries and the fact we have signed a pretty decent kid from Queensland that you want to sign him long term. Just my opinion.

Well don't sign him at all in that case. Why waste time and cap room developing a guy you don't think is the long-term answer?

It's not good enough to say "no-one knows". Sure, you don't know and I don't know - but it's the club's job to know, or at least to have a bloody good idea. These half-measures deals are no use to anyone: all they do is give young players enough time to prove their value while still being able to play their entire prime on full whack contracts either for the Tigers or elsewhere.

The club needs to get off the damn fence and commit to the young players it thinks are keepers with long-term deals when they're still available for less than what the club thinks their market value will be. Sometimes they'll get it wrong, of course. But making those calls is what they're paid to do.

There is very little advantage for clubs in a long contract, if a player is in demand you have to upgrade them anyway or they will find a way to leave. Give players 2-3 year contracts and give them other reasons to stay, good coach, chance for a premiership, stable and well managed club, make them feel important and looked after.

 

[Russell]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Even in his 20 and 30 min stints, Liddle has not been better than Farah this year. He has a lot of flair, but he consistently struggles with the little 1%ers. Getting 20 minutes to be explosive should be something he uses to get 30 mins, than 40 mins.

Instead he's not doing that. There's a massive chasm between Farah and Liddle that should be concerning.

Yes, he has bootloads of potential. But we need actual form, runs on the board. He is the full-time 9 next year, he needs to be proving he's ready and he just isn't.

Well I totally and emphatically disagree - I do however agree with Balmain Boy, 2041 and Madge above.

So I guess we will agree to disagree and I look forward to telling you "I told you so" at the end of next season.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Liddle is a big worry. He should've been pushing Farah out of the side this year. Instead we're hitting 2020 with a starting hooker who has yet to play an 80 minute game, which means we'll have to carry a play-maker on the bench instead of a utility back/forward.

The club should see if they get Harry Grant from the Qld Cup - that kid is a gun and way too good for that competition.

As if anyone was going to push Farah out this year. He was playing reasonably well and is one of Madge's favorites. Liddle was lucky to get the amount of time he has gotten. How do you play 80 minutes if you are only given a maximum of 20 minutes - unless there are four of him, he can't.

Liddle would not have pushed him out with a bulldozer.

Liddle can play 80 minutes don't you worry about that, especially after a full off season to muscle up.

People say Liddle is too small, he is bigger than Farah and Grant is smaller than Farah - probably a couple of years away from NRL if he ever gets there.

Even in his 20 and 30 min stints, Liddle has not been better than Farah this year. He has a lot of flair, but he consistently struggles with the little 1%ers. Getting 20 minutes to be explosive should be something he uses to get 30 mins, than 40 mins.

Instead he's not doing that. There's a massive chasm between Farah and Liddle that should be concerning.

Yes, he has bootloads of potential. But we need actual form, runs on the board. He is the full-time 9 next year, he needs to be proving he's ready and he just isn't.

Utter rubbish regarding their respective input. If you cannot see the lift in tempo, almost always and instantly when Liddle gets on the field, then you are either clinically blind or there may be a massive chasm behind your eyes.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

@formerguest
By the time next season rolls around Liddle would've had a second pre season under his belt and should have grown into his body this kid has shown tremendous improvement and potential signing him for two years should work well for everyone it'll be make or break but I think he will make it

 

[hsvjones]

@happy_tiger Not me.. 4 forwards on the bench works for me at this stage as Farah can play 80 mins. It give us more firepower when needed but he will get his chance in due time.. Don't mess with something that is working

 

[OzLuke]

Promising signing. Enough years to see if he develops into a great 9, and enough years to see if he won't without inhibiting progress of any more junior 9s coming through. Winning on both sides.

 

[Madge]

Jeez was watching his press conference and he’s worse than Brooks when talking to the media 😂 Chris Lawrence said aswell that he is a shy person, I’m worried that it will hinder his chances of him reaching his potential like Brooks.