Jacob Liddle #198

[Tiger5150]

Lids showing some wheels.. 👏


I dont remember Liddle getting into full stride? Maybe chasing one of the Raiders tries?

 

[Lauren]

Lauren,in my honest opinion,when Madge has Liddle,Douhi,Brooks and Laurie all on the paddock together regularly,we will see how different the team and gameplans will be,,,**stay strong have faith in Madge for at least 6/7 games then we can judge** ...He has new recruits older and younger to get to GEL for 80 mins.not an easy task to get right overnight...

Thanks @TrueTiger.

I couldn't feel more relieved to get AD back as it was painful to watch a disjointed spine and attack the other day. Loved how good they looked in the trial match. I also know Musgrove and Blore will add heaps and should immediately come in.
I actually like Madge as our coach but am more curios of the purpose of certain bench selections - Talau made it look pretty and brought some impact when on the field and all, but thought the usage could've been better. Especially for Jacob.
It just didn't seem very tactical to me.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.
You also would of noticed that the raiders would push our defenders down in the ruck, roll to the side or step across to play the ball to get space around the ruck.
You would of noticed the whole line leaving off their Mark prior to the ball being received at dummy half.
You also would have seen how liddle would scoop the ball up and engage both the markers before passing and there was rarely a time when there was a raider defender out of position or on the ground, but in doing so he was looking for that opportunity every time.
The whole team needs a bit of time unfortunately but I really was impressed in second viewing of what Liddle was doing out of dummy half. If he can fix up his passing under fatigue and the whole team can get a systemic method that has our A and B defenders rotating and not continually tackling and we’ll do just fine.

 

[TigerWest]

Lauren,in my honest opinion,when Madge has Liddle,Douhi,Brooks and Laurie all on the paddock together regularly,we will see how different the team and gameplans will be,,,stay strong have faith in Madge for at least 6/7 games then we can judge ...He has new recruits older and younger to get to GEL for 80 mins.not an easy task to get right overnight...

And we've played 1 game.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish is what's important, then we can judge with more info?

 

[JC99]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.
You also would of noticed that the raiders would push our defenders down in the ruck, roll to the side or step across to play the ball to get space around the ruck.
You would of noticed the whole line leaving off their Mark prior to the ball being received at dummy half.
You also would have seen how liddle would scoop the ball up and engage both the markers before passing and there was rarely a time when there was a raider defender out of position or on the ground, but in doing so he was looking for that opportunity every time.
The whole team needs a bit of time unfortunately but I really was impressed in second viewing of what Liddle was doing out of dummy half. If he can fix up his passing under fatigue and the whole team can get a systemic method that has our A and B defender rotating and not continually tackling and we’ll do just fine.

He will get targeted every single game... it's up to him to prove he's a good defender so the big fellas stop running at him all game. If he keeps missing tackles they will keep running at him.

He needs to run more. He keeps picking the ball up as if he wants to run and then passing which is too slow, either needs to run or pass off the ground. Hopefully is better this week and uses the talents he's got

 

[Tiger5150]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.
You also would of noticed that the raiders would push our defenders down in the ruck, roll to the side or step across to play the ball to get space around the ruck.
You would of noticed the whole line leaving off their Mark prior to the ball being received at dummy half.
You also would have seen how liddle would scoop the ball up and engage both the markers before passing and there was rarely a time when there was a raider defender out of position or on the ground, but in doing so he was looking for that opportunity every time.
The whole team needs a bit of time unfortunately but I really was impressed in second viewing of what Liddle was doing out of dummy half. If he can fix up his passing under fatigue and the whole team can get a systemic method that has our A and B defender rotating and not continually tackling and we’ll do just fine.

He will get targeted every single game... it's up to him to prove he's a good defender so the big fellas stop running at him all game. If he keeps missing tackles they will keep running at him.

He needs to run more. He keeps picking the ball up as if he wants to run and then passing which is too slow, either needs to run or pass off the ground. Hopefully is better this week and uses the talents he's got

I get what your saying but the only time I can think where he should run was when he had a forward lined up outside him to take the ball. There was an opportunity for him to go to the line and then pass on to our front rower but it’s rare that a hooker / forward would do that.
I’m sure our coaching staff will pick up on that but it didn’t look like our forwards were interested in running lines out of instinct only running to set plays.
He was targeted. But he defended well when he was in position. The part your saying comes with match fitness and he’ll only get that by continuing to play through long minutes. All forwards target teams hookers and halves and fullbacks, just like Ryan James picked out Daine Laurie. It’s just most other teams have their forwards making those tackles instead of leaving up to the spine players.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.

 

[Tiger5150]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.

Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

 

[Littlebittipsy]

Lauren,in my honest opinion,when Madge has Liddle,Douhi,Brooks and Laurie all on the paddock together regularly,we will see how different the team and gameplans will be,,,stay strong have faith in Madge for at least 6/7 games then we can judge ...He has new recruits older and younger to get to GEL for 80 mins.not an easy task to get right overnight...

Madge did say it’ll take him 5 or 6 rounds for him to work out the best dynamic for the team.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

so our 'incredibly effective decoy runner' shall be there, rain or shine?
Instead of Musgove or Simpkins?:thinking_face:

 

[JC99]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

I think the point he's making is that 'Liddle was targeted by Canberra' is no excuse because there's no way in hell they didn't see that coming.... he doesn't think that Madge and Liddle actually shouldn't be at the game. That's my takeaway anyway.

If Liddle can't adjust the rookie will get a go I'm sure. That's the benefit of depth in the squad

 

[Speed2burn]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

You’re making sense don’t worry mate.

It’s like planning ahead for Cameron Munster when you play Melbourne storm, of course every team has him as the #1 on the tip sheet, and a plan to shut him down...but its not always gonna be gravy

Liddle would have known they were gonna run at him all day from start to finish. But until he experiences it week in week out, he’ll never improve. How many first grade games has he strung together in a row ? 3-4 maybe. and they were all off the bench

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

I think the point he's making is that 'Liddle was targeted by Canberra' is no excuse because there's no way in hell they didn't see that coming.... he doesn't think that Madge and Liddle actually shouldn't be at the game. That's my takeaway anyway.

If Liddle can't adjust the rookie will get a go I'm sure. That's the benefit of depth in the squad

But whose making excuses? I’m just pointing out what affected us and where we could improve as per what the raiders did well, Liddle included. His far from the polished article. If that was his finest performance I’d be disappointed. However it was his first 80 game out of the 44 his been involved in. The room for improvement is encouraging.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

You’re making sense don’t worry mate.

It’s like planning ahead for Cameron Munster when you play Melbourne storm, of course every team has him as the #1 on the tip sheet, and a plan to shut him down...but its not always gonna be gravy

Liddle would have known they were gonna run at him all day from start to finish. But until he experiences it week in week out, he’ll never improve. How many first grade games has he strung together in a row ? 3-4 maybe. and they were all off the bench

Absolutely. And my main concern is everyone wants Jake Simpkin to get this lesson also whilst having to lead an inexperienced first grade side around at the age of 19. Both will take time.

 

[Tiger5150]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

so our 'incredibly effective decoy runner' shall be there, rain or shine?
Instead of Musgove or Simpkins?:thinking_face:

Interested to know how you extrapolated that from what I said?

 

[JC99]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

I think the point he's making is that 'Liddle was targeted by Canberra' is no excuse because there's no way in hell they didn't see that coming.... he doesn't think that Madge and Liddle actually shouldn't be at the game. That's my takeaway anyway.

If Liddle can't adjust the rookie will get a go I'm sure. That's the benefit of depth in the squad

But whose making excuses? I’m just pointing out what affected us and where we could improve as per what the raiders did well, Liddle included. His far from the polished article. If that was his finest performance I’d be disappointed. However it was his first 80 game out of the 44 his been involved in. The room for improvement is encouraging.

Kinda was making excuses countering people saying he didn't play that well by saying he was targeted. He's played like 50 games, he should know how it feels out there and would've expected to be targeted. Definitely think he'll play better this week, he has to.

 

[Needaname]

The nrl app stats have Liddle with 8 missed tackles. Watching the game I must admit I didn’t notice that many from him, but if that’s the case then it’s a little concerning. For a comparison Tamou had 49 tackles with only 1 miss.

In real time didn’t notice but I watched the game a 2nd time and geez you could see some bad misses . He missed some really important tackles that led to the majority of mini breaks up the middle of the park and gave the Raiders momentum.

Look it’s an 80min game against a top 3 forward pack in the comp. He will be better for the run but if he is the front line defender he has no hope. I’m more concerned about him not being able to run out of dummy half. Thats his strength and we need it.

Well if you watched it again you would of noticed the forwards targeting him all game. You would of noticed the markers putting heavy pressure on him. You also would have noticed that he held his own in front on tackles.
You would of noticed that those breaks were made when our forwards and Liddle were retreating back to the line being involved in the previous tackle and having to come and square up again and receiving no assistance from the other defenders in the side.

Thats called Rugba leeg.

I cant imagine that Liddle and the pack will ever strike these circumstances again......until Sunday.

Seriously, if everything you listed above is a reason for Liddles performance, then he is not an 80min hooker and maybe not a first grade hooker at all.

What do you mean a reason for his performance. I wasn’t making excuses for his performance. I was just pointing out the subtle’s in the way we play as per the raiders play. I feel there were a lot of lessons that he and the team will learn from. I was simply saying i didn’t have a problem with his performance in that game.


Ok, let me put this another way.

If Jacob Liddle, or Michael Maguire were unaware of such "subtle" lessons as:

* The opposition forwards are going to run at the hooker,

* The markers are going to pressure the dummy half,

* Its harder to defend laterally or

* a charging attack will try to hit you as you retreat.....

Then Liddle, J and Maguire, M have no right to be at Campbelltown on Sunday.

Yeah your not getting it.
Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.
If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

I think the point he's making is that 'Liddle was targeted by Canberra' is no excuse because there's no way in hell they didn't see that coming.... he doesn't think that Madge and Liddle actually shouldn't be at the game. That's my takeaway anyway.

If Liddle can't adjust the rookie will get a go I'm sure. That's the benefit of depth in the squad

But whose making excuses? I’m just pointing out what affected us and where we could improve as per what the raiders did well, Liddle included. His far from the polished article. If that was his finest performance I’d be disappointed. However it was his first 80 game out of the 44 his been involved in. The room for improvement is encouraging.

Kinda was making excuses countering people saying he didn't play that well by saying he was targeted. He's played like 50 games, he should know how it feels out there and would've expected to be targeted. Definitely think he'll play better this week, he has to.

Let’s agree to agree. I wasn’t saying he didn’t play bad or good. But either way I am looking forward to him improving.

 

[Tiger5150]

Yeah your not getting it.

One of us isnt....

Based on your outcome the whole team might as well pack it up because they’re just not good enough to learn in game strategies from playing the game of rugby league.
Let them coach all they like on the sidelines running drill after drill without pressure whilst being able to predict the usual defender (2nd tier squad players).
They might as well forfeit all there games until they get through a season of ‘in game simulated’ sessions. Maybe then they’ll be ready for 2022.
Of course the other option is maybe they grow whilst playing each game and learning to adjust and pick up on how players and teams do things and even how their own players like to approach instances in a game’
But I guess the third option is they are just not good enough and should all be replaced including the coach.

That is pretty much the opposite of what I said,,,,but anyway. Lets go along with it......if the remainder of the team is unaware of lessons that were learned in U14's then maybe you are right.

If you think Liddle should already have the knowledge and game understanding of Josh Hodgson well that’s a high bar mate.

Not what I said at all. Knowing that the opposition forwards will attack your hooker, the markers will pressure the dummy half and the that the opposition attack will try to hit a retreating defence at the line is U/14's knowledge and game understanding....mate. Which is a VERY low bar for our first choice hooker and coach.

I strongly suspect that both our hooker and coach didnt learn that lesson on Sunday and I'd be very annoyed if they did. Liddle did not perform well. End of story. Time will tell if it was a one off. If not there is pressure from Simpkin and that will be a beneficial thing for the club.