Jahream Bula #269

[Tiger Stripes]

who's heard the line - no body is irreplaceable

Wayne Bennett "you can lose any player, - as long as you are upgrading"

 

[tiger_one]

Yeah, its a myth.
Like nobody is perfect .....then you hear the saying practice makes perfect .

And you can add in "perfectly imperfect!" yukk!

 

[Crucible]

Listen, the answer is simple.If you do business with somebody and they screw you over, it could just be bad luck. If they do again you are at fault for being a dope and not learning from the first experience. So what does it make somebody if you continually engage with the same problem bloke and expect a different result? An optimist? No, you just plain dumb and deserve what you get. Lets walk away and vow never ever to do business again with such people. Moses and his organisation needs to be excluded from our Club. If a player insists on having him as a Manager, its see you latter. Simple.

 

[Telltails]

Moses only does what his clients and the system allow him to. No fan of the bloke but he can't be held responsible alone for the decisions his clients make - he works for them.

 

[Crucible]

Moses only does what his clients and the system allow him to. No fan of the bloke but he can't be held responsible alone for the decisions his clients make - he works for them.

I agree in principle with you. However, there are very, very, few players that have the insight into what they are signing. Its more about money, money and mates. The Agent dictates what clubs are interested and on more than one occasion players find out after the event that that he had other options that were not offered to him. Whilst the Agent in theory works for the player, its often that the reality is the other way around.

 

[innsaneink]

Listen, the answer is simple.If you do business with somebody and they screw you over, it could just be bad luck. If they do again you are at fault for being a dope and not learning from the first experience. So what does it make somebody if you continually engage with the same problem bloke and expect a different result? An optimist? No, you just plain dumb and deserve what you get. Lets walk away and vow never ever to do business again with such people. Moses and his organisation needs to be excluded from our Club. If a player insists on having him as a Manager, its see you latter. Simple.

He has a LOT of good players....we already give other teams head starts with barely any home ground advantage, as well as being run on an oily rag.
Limiting our recruitment pool only makes things even more difficult for us

 

[tigertragic]

Moses only does what his clients and the system allow him to. No fan of the bloke but he can't be held responsible alone for the decisions his clients make - he works for them.

And ‘works’ the system
Mental health
Bullying
Etc

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

And ‘works’ the system
Mental health
Bullying
Etc

to get the outcome the player wants

 

[innsaneink]

I agree in principle with you. However, there are very, very, few players that have the insight into what they are signing. Its more about money, money and mates. The Agent dictates what clubs are interested and on more than one occasion players find out after the event that that he had other options that were not offered to him. Whilst the Agent in theory works for the player, its often that the reality is the other way around.

Has there been any documemted cases.of rhis happening?

Youd think a club showing interest in a player and then the club discovering it wasnt put forward would ring alrm bells

 

[Red88_Tiger]

I agree in principle with you. However, there are very, very, few players that have the insight into what they are signing. Its more about money, money and mates. The Agent dictates what clubs are interested and on more than one occasion players find out after the event that that he had other options that were not offered to him. Whilst the Agent in theory works for the player, its often that the reality is the other way around.

You’d think that the players association should be into that

 

[Telltails]

I agree in principle with you. However, there are very, very, few players that have the insight into what they are signing. Its more about money, money and mates. The Agent dictates what clubs are interested and on more than one occasion players find out after the event that that he had other options that were not offered to him. Whilst the Agent in theory works for the player, its ofter that the reality is the other way around.

A player knows how long his contract is and who he is playing for when he signs it. Players don't blindly sign a contract with a club that they don't want to be at. Some just have more options than others. A club like the Roosters might be able to get away with black banning a high profile manager - we are not in that position until players want to play for, and stay at this club.
"I'm leaving it in the hands of my manager" talk just takes the heat of the players and throws it back at the manager - that's why they pay them.
I don't like the pot stirring/ leaking in the media and the feelers being sent out while still under contract, and using WTs as a transit lounge, but the NRL seem to think any publicity that is not criminal is good publicity so I expect Isaac Moses will keep doing what works for him and it doesn't seem to have impacted negatively client wise at this point.

 

[clontarfkid]

If the player is paying the manager 7% ,he may as well take his advice..or hes wasting his $$
Bula wont be offered more $$ elsewhere..and think he quite like WTs..
But he will be told his career will develop more quickly elsewhere plus more likely to play finals football
Usual spin
Best way to eliminate this narrative is to move up the ladder
Easier said than done

 

[clontarfkid]

A player knows how long his contract is and who he is playing for when he signs it. Players don't blindly sign a contract with a club that they don't want to be at. Some just have more options than others. A club like the Roosters might be able to get away with black banning a high profile manager - we are not in that position until players want to play for, and stay at this club.
"I'm leaving it in the hands of my manager" talk just takes the heat of the players and throws it back at the manager - that's why they pay them.
I don't like the pot stirring/ leaking in the media and the feelers being sent out while still under contract, and using WTs as a transit lounge, but the NRL seem to think any publicity that is not criminal is good publicity so I expect Isaac Moses will keep doing what works for him and it doesn't seem to have impacted negatively client wise at this point.

Hear all that...but Moses is poison for WTs and we just cant keep investing in talent with the almost certainty he will move them on
Excluding IM managed players is restrictive,but just cant see any alternative

 

[Telltails]

Hear all that...but Moses is poison for WTs and we just cant keep investing in talent with the almost certainty he will move them on
Excluding IM managed players is restrictive,but just cant see any alternative

I dunno I find it hard to believe that players are unable to make their own mind up about staying or leaving this club.
Our biggest handbrake to retaining and attracting players has been the club itself - Isaac Moses just amplifies it.

 

[Crucible]

I don't wish to disrespect the players, but many of them have little in the way of literacy and numeracy. The Managers have a big say and in particular the way they say it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

to get the outcome the player wants

Yeah, the player has to be as poor an individual as Moses to allow him to use such tactics. Galvin being the perfect example.