Jamal Idris joins Wests Tigers...Official...

[Telltails]

Most players who reach NRL standard can tackle, but the very good teams all defend as a unit, and knowing what role you play within that unit. The Sharks and the Storm are perfect examples of teams that defend very well as a unit. Its that word again STRUCTURE and we need to put a very effective defensive structure in place. You will never defend the freak plays but you can defend most plays[/quote

So there lies the problem who is the "we" that puts the structure in place.
Very few changes to our playing squad, same coach.
If you believe all first graders can tackle SC - then how does our team get it so wrong week in and week out?
Current squad and coach will need to make some significant improvements in their performance in this area for this structure to become a reality next season.

 

[TCL]

Yep, if idris/chee kam/ haleta or who ever is big enough to make a solid defensive unit outside and with a ET like on the inside should help - if they can work as a cohesive unit that would help Moses and brooks confidence in defence.

While he did miss some Moses has shown a lot of courage in his defence, more so than the previous season, last season he pulled off some good and important tackles.

Size isn't always important , one of the best defensive centres I have seen was Chris Johns from the Saints /Broncos in the 80's -90's

Made great reads and always would hit and stick

Johns wouldn't have been 90kgs , just great technique

Good attacking player as well , good speed

Just think he was a NSW player and had talent as well , go figure :crazy

Centres still need to be able to move laterally , that was Rowdy's big issue post hip and hamstring problems

I remember johns, good player and defender. Your right they don't have to be big, but most centres now days are on average bigger player. Yes lateral movement is important but mostly they have to gel as a unit.

They can't gel if they have a player that can't move laterally

A player like Tedesco will tear them apart

Much like we tore Penrith apart with Tedesco targeting Cartwright , once a player can get on his opposition players outside pandemonium usually ensures , creates the overlap

A simple matter of catch ,draw and pass then , try time

I agree, but if they can't defend together all the lateral speed in the world won't help cause there will be holes in the line.

 

[Geo]

Be very careful using the word structure…

Once again 18 pts is too many..12 ppg is the benchmark ..you achieve that Goal ythe team will be at the pointy end off the season..

 

[innsaneink]

Most players who reach NRL standard can tackle, but the very good teams all defend as a unit, and knowing what role you play within that unit. The Sharks and the Storm are perfect examples of teams that defend very well as a unit. Its that word again STRUCTURE and we need to put a very effective defensive structure in place. You will never defend the freak plays but you can defend most plays[/quote

So there lies the problem who is the "we" that puts the structure in place.
Very few changes to our playing squad, same coach.
If you believe all first graders can tackle SC - then how does our team get it so wrong week in and week out?
Current squad and coach will need to make some significant improvements in their performance in this area for this structure to become a reality next season.

That's what most here agree on… If he can't fix the defense be has to go.
Im eager to see who the new defense coach will be

 

[innsaneink]

Be very careful using the word structure…

Once again 18 pts is too many..12 ppg is the benchmark ..you achieve that Goal ythe team will be at the pointy end off the season..

18 will be a massive effort for us and would be sufficient.

 

[tigerap]

On big coin >$350k according to DT

 

[happy_tiger]

Be very careful using the word structure…

Once again 18 pts is too many..12 ppg is the benchmark ..you achieve that Goal ythe team will be at the pointy end off the season..

18 will be a massive effort for us and would be sufficient.

Yeah to go from our 2016 points PPG average to 12 would be extremely hard to achieve and possibly unrealistic , especially if we don't have player recruitment to back it up

Two of the benchmark sides Brisbane and North Qld have a 18 point target as well

Maybe a mixture of the two , 18 points a game until Rd 20

If you then want to set a 12 points a game goal ,maybe aim for that for the last 5 games plus the semis ….....

Its at the pointy end when you need to be defending at your best , not burning yourself out early and then going to water at the wrong time

 

[Geo]

Melbourne Storm 302 Against 24 games regular season 12.58ppg..Benchmark…unrealistic pfft...

 

[happy_tiger]

Melbourne Storm 302 Against 24 games regular season 12.58ppg..Benchmark…unrealistic pfft...

No it isn't unrealistic for them Geo they have got structures in place that have worked for years

When was the last time (if ever ) we kept teams to under a 12 point average for even 8 weeks running

We didn't even do that in 2005 , the two weeks running into the semis we conceded 30 plus v Melbourne and Penrith

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Unfortunately, even 18 pt/game is a pipe dream :blush:

 

[russelldp]

On big coin >$350k according to DT

He'll have to perform/play first grade to earn it…

DT today
IDRIS CASHES IN
A FEW WESTS Tigers players will be making sure Jamal Idris cuts no corners this pre-season after learning the returned rugby league runaway could earn almost $400,000 next year.

Idris salary was the talk in Tigers town this week with several players stunned to learn the NRL giant will be paid $5,000 for every NRL game he plays on top of his $200,000 a year sign on fee.

Most thought the club had snared Idris on a bargain basement deal after the 115kg wrecking ball walk out on the Panthers to spend a season on the beach.

Tigers officials are adamant the deal will be worth every cent.

And maybe they are right? Idris has spent the last month secretly training at Concord in a bid to blitz his first preseason with the club.

 

[upthetigers]

Lol when do the Tigers ever get a bargain…

 

[Tigerdon]

Interesting contract. $200k base. Then if he plays all 26 rounds that's another 125k. Doesn't seem too over priced to me and adds incentives . If we go deep into the finals obviously we pay more. $325k if he plays all 26 rounds games seems ok.
Obviously if he's a dud at ends up in reggies we pay less.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Lol when do the Tigers ever get a bargain…

Tuiaki, Ellis, Taupau, Austin, T Grant, E Taylor … ?

 

[2041]

On big coin >$350k according to DT

He'll have to perform/play first grade to earn it…

DT today
IDRIS CASHES IN
A FEW WESTS Tigers players will be making sure Jamal Idris cuts no corners this pre-season after learning the returned rugby league runaway could earn almost $400,000 next year.

Idris salary was the talk in Tigers town this week with several players stunned to learn the NRL giant will be paid $5,000 for every NRL game he plays on top of his $200,000 a year sign on fee.

Most thought the club had snared Idris on a bargain basement deal after the 115kg wrecking ball walk out on the Panthers to spend a season on the beach.

Tigers officials are adamant the deal will be worth every cent.

And maybe they are right? Idris has spent the last month secretly training at Concord in a bid to blitz his first preseason with the club.

If this is true - and, as always, Telegraph = giant pinch of salt - I wonder how it makes sense as a cap move. Presumably the club has to take the full value of the _potential_ contract as a cap hit up front - ie assume Idris is going to play 26 games for cap purposes - otherwise they could get to round 20 and find they don't have cap room left to pay the appearance money if he has played every week.

In other words, so far as I can work out the only up side to the club is potentially saving some money _outside the cap_ if Idris isn't any good or gets injured. Because even if he doesn't play at all it's not like they can retrospectively spend the cap money that was devoted to his game fees somewhere else.

I know it's 'only' $130,000, which isn't exactly a game changer of itself. But it's cash that could be devoted to another player - a lottery ticket like a Tapau or an Austin, or front-loading a new deal for someone else. For a club as - supposedly - cap-limited as the Tigers it looks like an awfully cheapskate move.

The only thing I can think is that they reckon they'll know for sure by the time they have to name the top 25 whether or not Idris is a goer. In other words, either he'll be a legit $330k-plus player and thus justify the full value of the contract (barring injury) or they'll put him in Chee-Kam purgatory and not pay more than two or three game fees to Idris.

 

[softlaw]

Few things: (all assuming that there's a hint of truth in this story)
1 - The very most he can get is $350k - of course the daily dribble headline of "almost $400k" is designed to cause far more outrage than "maximum of $350k".
2- IF he gets that $350k it means he has played every single game in a premiership winning season. Which probably means he has been a big part in that premiership. In which case $350k is well worth it.
3 - If he plays well then probable cost is around the $310-320k mark and he likely gives the club good publicity - which we badly need - and shores up one of our weak spots.
4 - Worst case he costs in the $250k mark for one year - which ain't too bad.

But of course - roll out the tele dribble sensationalism

 

[Tigersmurf]

Interesting contract. $200k base. Then if he plays all 26 rounds that's another 125k. Doesn't seem too over priced to me and adds incentives . If we go deep into the finals obviously we pay more. $325k if he plays all 26 rounds games seems ok.
Obviously if he's a dud at ends up in reggies we pay less.

I agree, these are the types of contracts we should be signing. This rewards effort and excellence and is in the clubs favour if the player doesn't perform. Isn't it a shame that Blair wasn't on this arrangement!

And well done Idris too for accepting the challenge. If he is to earn $400K, then we have made it long into the finals and if that is the case then he has deserved it!

Well done management for catching a big high profile fish!

 

[Masterton]

26 rounds, but byes make it 24 games, so 320 max.

 

[Kavi]

i thought that he would be on 100-150k… i'm assuming this means that tiger torch was right about us copping a fine to pay robbie his backended tpa payments in 2016 rather than 2017.
hopefully someone will pick siro up

 

[jadtiger]

26 rounds, but byes make it 24 games, so 320 max.

If we are extremely lucky it would be 330k to 340k an extra 10k - 20k for the finals matches.Not exactly a bargain buy but if it works that is fine,if it dosent its a pricey dud.
Lets hope for all our sakes that he makes it a winner for the club