larrycorowa
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Utai was serviceable but became increasingly fragile and a liability under the high ball.
Jamal Idris joins Wests Tigers...Official...
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happy_tiger
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@jirskyr said:
Also shows us that Geo is clutching at straws
Reckon the points difference from first to 8th could be 4-5 points
We need to become a consistent Top 8 and then a Top 4 side before winning minor premierships and premierships
We learnt absolutely nothing as a club after 2005 , we had some many positives as a club yet failed continually for the next 5 seasons
stevetiger
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@happy tiger said:
Happy - lighten up a bit bro. We are not these complete failures and the sky isn't falling in. I admit it's pretty poor that we have a coach like JT but I think we can even have a good year next season with him stuffing up all the over place.
happy_tiger
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@jirskyr said:
Jirskyr I just love your stats man , they usually always prove so many points
See Steve , please tell me that attack is more important than defence after reading these points
stevetiger
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@happy tiger said:
Let's see the attack stats. I also don't state that one is more important than the other. I have tried to explain to the slower people on here that a dud attack makes it harder to defend and win games. They feed into each other.
When we were playing dumb Taylor ball how many games did we win again ?
@happy tiger said:
Gee you set a low bar….You can settle for Top 8...Me.. Minor Premiers every year ...as highlighted above conceding around 12-15 ppg will achieve that more often than not...
jirskyr
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@stevetiger said:
Attack points average per game since 2005, Minor Premiers:
29.33 (Eels 2005), 25.21, 26.13, 24.33, 22.83, 21.58, 21.71, 23.67, 26.67, 25.63, 24.63, 23.46 (Storm 2016)
8th place:
23.08 (Manly 2005), 21.08, 21.29, 20.92, 19.83, 22.71, 19.92, 20.04, 21.13, 22.88, 18.13, 21.17 (Titans 2016)
Top 8 average points scored per game:
26.12 (2005), 22.93, 23.08, 22.82, 21.80, 22.72, 21.29, 22.25, 23.11, 22.58, 21.41, 23.68 (2016).
It's the inverse of defence, of course - high-scoring seasons hurt defences more.
What I think is more interesting is looking at how the minor premiers rank in attack and defence every year:
2016 Storm were minor premiers with 4th best attack and best defence
2015 Roosters MP best attack and best defence
2014 Roosters MP best attack, 2nd best defence
2013 Roosters MP best attack, best defence
2012 Dogs MP 3rd best attack, 2nd best defence
2011 Storm MP 4th best attack, best defence
2010 Saints MP 8th best attack, best defence
2009 Saints MP 6th best attack, best defence
2008 Storm MP 3rd best attack, best defence
2007 Storm MP best attack and defence
2006 Storm MP 3rd best attack, 2nd best defence
2005 Parra MP best attack, best defence
In the last 12 seasons the MPs have been comp-best attack only 5/12 times (Roosters accounting for 3 of those) but comp-best defence 9/12 times. Additionally, minor premiers in this time have never been worse than 2nd best defence, whereas 7/12 times they were 3rd best attack or worse.
What Steve says is fairly straight forward - of course dud attack puts more pressure on the defence. And similarly dud defence gives you less opportunity in attack. But the question that fans debate really is: is it more important to do well in attack or defence across a season? Looking at the MPs, it shows pretty clearly that defence-focused teams fare better, and that teams without the best attack can still defend their way to the top of the comp.
The defence rests…
steve will find a way tho...
steve will find a way tho...
happy_tiger
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@Geo. said:
Not setting a low bar at all Geo , just would concern me if we won a premiership in 2017 and then we go 5 seasons not making the 8 again
Consistency is my key , build to our goal , and have the players know the hurt of losing a final or two that steels them to never want to go through that feeling again
Is that too much to ask ??
stevetiger
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@Geo. said:
All the top teams had better attack. The defence does rest.
Sometimes I want to be wrong on here. Just to change things up.
Masterton
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@stevetiger said:
At this point, I can't tell if you're genuinely deluded or just playing along for fun. I lean towards deluded.
jirskyr
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@stevetiger said:
Better attack than what? Better than last? Then yes.
Better than the other Top 8 sites - often not.
I think you just like to stir.
I'd like to see some other stats…how many topics continually get derailed and off topic by the same posters.
The Jamal signing will keep me somewhat excited over the pre-season as we follow his progress. I've just got this feeling inside that he will be coming out lean(er) and strong and will do so much damage with what he has to work with. Brooks may have his faults at times but he is a genuine 7 who plays at the line. We have no hole runners bar maybe Lawrence and for a washed up centre come rookie second rower, Brooks put him through some really big holes throughout the season. None of our centres hit holes, they rely on early ball and footwork. With Jamal there Brooks will finally have someone he can play at the line and I reckon he will probably be the most excited bloke about this signing along with Teddy!
The Jamal signing will keep me somewhat excited over the pre-season as we follow his progress. I've just got this feeling inside that he will be coming out lean(er) and strong and will do so much damage with what he has to work with. Brooks may have his faults at times but he is a genuine 7 who plays at the line. We have no hole runners bar maybe Lawrence and for a washed up centre come rookie second rower, Brooks put him through some really big holes throughout the season. None of our centres hit holes, they rely on early ball and footwork. With Jamal there Brooks will finally have someone he can play at the line and I reckon he will probably be the most excited bloke about this signing along with Teddy!
From the Roar.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/01/jamal-idris-back-excited/
The confirmation last week that Jamal Idris had committed to a one year deal with the Wests Tigers was the best news I have heard from the club in a long time.
Jamal provides size, strength, the ability to penetrate in attack and generate fear as a defender. He has played an Origin game for NSW and also for the Kangaroos.
His jaw-dropping defensive hits where he “blindsides’ his opponent are worth looking up on YouTube to remind yourself of how devastating he can be.
As Jason Taylor said in the media statement these are areas that Wests Tigers can improve on in our outside backs.
I would go further and say that the Tigers have been lacking size and controlled aggression across the park for some time.
It is not just what Jamal offers on the field that excites me. His return to rugby league if successful will provide enormous off field benefits to both the club and NRL.
Idris has a huge presence and charisma with the ability to attract and engage fans both young and old. It is no coincidence that the Wests Tigers started using him in their membership drive from the moment the signing was announced.
In an era where NRL players are becoming more like cardboard cutouts with cliche-driven responses he is one of the few players that provides a point of difference.
Jamal has the potential to generate positive media, sponsors and gain supporters for the club after some lean years in terms of public relations.
The son of a Nigerian father and Aboriginal mother he has recently returned after travelling the world amid reports of him being kidnapped and then escaping in Ho Chi Minh City.
Jamal is not your average NRL player and that is why his appeal is broad.
Watching his debut for the Bulldogs after he represented the Australian Schoolboys it was obvious he was going to be something special.
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Idris was also a world ranked junior javelin thrower and potential Olympian.
Jamal’s detractors say he is ‘different’ as if it is a negative thing. Bring on the ‘different’ I say!
For every few Cameron Smiths let’s have a Jamal to add diversity in our game. It can only help grow the rugby league supporter base outside of traditional demographics.
There is of course a very large elephant in the room that I haven’t addressed. This is Jamal’s fourth club and in 2015 he walked out on Penrith due to personal reasons.
It would be fair to say his form has been inconsistent during his career hence the one appearance only for NSW and Australia respectively, He appears to lose interest and focus in training and his form suffers.
To borrow a well worn media cliche Jamal has arrived at the last chance saloon.
I have a gut feeling, and that’s all it is, that eighteen months away from the game, travelling and soul searching will be a turning point and Idris will become the player he always promised to be.
There has been fan talk of Wests Tigers wasting money on a troubled player. I would be surprised if his one-year deal commanded huge dollars.
The benefits for the club if he is successful greatly outweigh the cost of him ending up in NSW Cup or walking away if it doesn’t work out.
The relationship forged during their time at Penrith, between Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe and Idris appears to be a factor in his choice of club.
Earlier this year Jamal said that he missed the theatre of big games in the NRL that made his spine tingle while he was away.
Let’s hope the ‘theatre’ of Leichhardt, Campbelltown and ANZ can keep him motivated.
The only one that knows if this will be a success is Jamal Idris. It will be his mindset not his ability that will determine the outcome.
The rest of us will find out in March 2017 and I can’t wait.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/01/jamal-idris-back-excited/
The confirmation last week that Jamal Idris had committed to a one year deal with the Wests Tigers was the best news I have heard from the club in a long time.
Jamal provides size, strength, the ability to penetrate in attack and generate fear as a defender. He has played an Origin game for NSW and also for the Kangaroos.
His jaw-dropping defensive hits where he “blindsides’ his opponent are worth looking up on YouTube to remind yourself of how devastating he can be.
As Jason Taylor said in the media statement these are areas that Wests Tigers can improve on in our outside backs.
I would go further and say that the Tigers have been lacking size and controlled aggression across the park for some time.
It is not just what Jamal offers on the field that excites me. His return to rugby league if successful will provide enormous off field benefits to both the club and NRL.
Idris has a huge presence and charisma with the ability to attract and engage fans both young and old. It is no coincidence that the Wests Tigers started using him in their membership drive from the moment the signing was announced.
In an era where NRL players are becoming more like cardboard cutouts with cliche-driven responses he is one of the few players that provides a point of difference.
Jamal has the potential to generate positive media, sponsors and gain supporters for the club after some lean years in terms of public relations.
The son of a Nigerian father and Aboriginal mother he has recently returned after travelling the world amid reports of him being kidnapped and then escaping in Ho Chi Minh City.
Jamal is not your average NRL player and that is why his appeal is broad.
Watching his debut for the Bulldogs after he represented the Australian Schoolboys it was obvious he was going to be something special.
Roaring Recommendations
Kiwis sweating on injuries ahead of Kangaroos encounter
Five NFL players who could make it in the NRL
Who would win an NRL sprint?
Idris was also a world ranked junior javelin thrower and potential Olympian.
Jamal’s detractors say he is ‘different’ as if it is a negative thing. Bring on the ‘different’ I say!
For every few Cameron Smiths let’s have a Jamal to add diversity in our game. It can only help grow the rugby league supporter base outside of traditional demographics.
There is of course a very large elephant in the room that I haven’t addressed. This is Jamal’s fourth club and in 2015 he walked out on Penrith due to personal reasons.
It would be fair to say his form has been inconsistent during his career hence the one appearance only for NSW and Australia respectively, He appears to lose interest and focus in training and his form suffers.
To borrow a well worn media cliche Jamal has arrived at the last chance saloon.
I have a gut feeling, and that’s all it is, that eighteen months away from the game, travelling and soul searching will be a turning point and Idris will become the player he always promised to be.
There has been fan talk of Wests Tigers wasting money on a troubled player. I would be surprised if his one-year deal commanded huge dollars.
The benefits for the club if he is successful greatly outweigh the cost of him ending up in NSW Cup or walking away if it doesn’t work out.
The relationship forged during their time at Penrith, between Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe and Idris appears to be a factor in his choice of club.
Earlier this year Jamal said that he missed the theatre of big games in the NRL that made his spine tingle while he was away.
Let’s hope the ‘theatre’ of Leichhardt, Campbelltown and ANZ can keep him motivated.
The only one that knows if this will be a success is Jamal Idris. It will be his mindset not his ability that will determine the outcome.
The rest of us will find out in March 2017 and I can’t wait.
851
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^^^^^^
I think he will be a diamond in the rough, one we can't lose like Koro and JAC.
I think he will be a diamond in the rough, one we can't lose like Koro and JAC.
like everyone else,who isnt excited about the prospect of jamal running at defences out wide for the tigers.
but dare i be the devils advocate and say reliability isnt a high attribute on his resumae.three other nrl clubs will testify to that.
we can only hope it works for him and the tigers.
but dare i be the devils advocate and say reliability isnt a high attribute on his resumae.three other nrl clubs will testify to that.
we can only hope it works for him and the tigers.
stevetiger
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@Tbone said:
Geez - there are some angry ants on here. One thing I'm not is dumb.
I'm not deluded at all either. Go and read the stats again. The top teams had better attack. Keep arguing something differently if you want. The stats are clear.
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