James Tedesco Signs with Roosters [Official]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/state-of-origin-2017-how-james-tedesco-rebuilt-body-mind-after-paranoia-set-in-20170614-gwqvls.html

**State of Origin 2017: How James Tedesco rebuilt body, mind after paranoia set in**
Michael Chammas
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There was a time James Tedesco couldn't take a step on a football field without fear his body would abandon him.
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His paranoia about his physical frailties was compounded by a relentless battle to convince his mind there was actually nothing to fear at all.
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"Obviously coming in first game doing your knee and coming back and doing it all again, there was a time after that where I had low confidence and was wondering if I would hurt myself every time I took a step or if I could get through a game I played," Tedesco said.
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"They are pretty negative thoughts and that's why I wasn't playing my best footy during that period. That was affecting me back then but I don't think it's affecting me at all now."
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So how did this teenage prodigy overcome the mental demons that threatened to see another future superstar cut down to size because of an extended period in rehabilitation?
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Enter Joe Wehbe. The mentor to Tedesco and Aaron Woods who was at the centre of the pair's defection from the Tigers because of the club's inability to keep him on the books.
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"After all those injuries, I talked to him every week and he got me in a good mind set," Tedesco said.
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"He told me if I'm thinking about the injuries then it's in my head and it's going to cause me problems. I've learnt through him to block out any bad thoughts or any thoughts of injury. If it's not in my head, they won't re-occur. If my head is clear and I'm just playing footy, those injuries won't come.
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"I'm not going to lie, those thoughts come and go, but it's about the amount of energy you put into it that matters. If the thought comes in that 'if I step off this leg then something might happen', I used to start thinking about that for five or 10 minutes. That's where you drain all your energy. If that thought comes now, I'll let it pass and then I'm not draining too much energy."
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Wehbe's name was somewhat dragged through the mud in the contract saga surrounding the "big four" at the start of the season, but Tedesco and Woods never wavered in their support of him.
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He remains a close confidant of the Tigers duo, who were regularly on the phone with him in the lead up to the Origin I ambush at Suncorp Stadium.
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"Talking to Joe is sort of like my meditation," Tedesco said.
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"It's when I'm in the moment. The big thing from him to me is to take deep breaths before the game. That gets me in the moment on the field so as I'm not worried about other things. I can't thank him enough for what he's done for me. After all my injuries and everything that happened to me, he's always been there for me picking up my phone calls and always having a chat. He always makes time for me. I know me and Woodsy have such a lot of respect for him.
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"We wanted things to work out for us at the Tigers with him but that didn't work out. He would say everything happens for a reason. We still remain close. During camp for game one, I was pretty much talking to him everyday to get in that mindset of preparing for that game."
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As well as Wehbe, there's also massage therapist Anthony Carbone who Tedesco credits for ending his horror stretch with injuries.
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Carbone, who was also turned away by the Tigers at the start of the year, is the masseuse Jarryd Hayne regularly flies down to Sydney to visit.
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The NSWRL paid for Carbone's flights and accommodation in the week leading into Origin I to allow him to treat Woods, Tedesco and Hayne before the big game.
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Given the performance of the Blues players in the opening game of the series, there's little doubt as to Carbone's whereabouts over the coming week.
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"He's another guy, with Joe, that I started seeing after all my injuries," Tedesco said.
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"The mental side is big but physically my body, I've seen him every week, sometimes twice a week, since I had those injuries. I haven't had any ankle issues or knee issues. He's got my body prepared every week and having him in camp for game one to see him every day, my body felt great."

Reads a little precious to me. Has Joe Webhe been guaranteed a spot at Roosters?

Begs the question does every sportsman need some mental training, or does the need to speak to someone every day reveal mental frailty? Is it possible that one of the reasons we don't make the finals every year is because the players lack a mental fortitude, and whilst talking to a counselor or therapist helps the players, it also reveals their _need_ for help.

I think it's a healthy thing, to talk to someone about your concerns. Less healthy if it has to be one person, that's a big investment. Less healthy again if your future employment is impacted by this one person.

Also SMH clearly don't know that a masseuse is a female massage therapist, unless Anthony Carbone is a woman, it's the second time they've referred to him thus (Proszenko did it first).
 
This Webhe and Carbone get a mention again?. For christ sakes, one is a touch footy 'guru' and the other is a massage therapist….. You really have to question the modern day player. Mentally they are a bunch of pussies. "take deep breaths before you run out onto the ground"!!! That is truly ground breaking advice. What a mystic champion. Bullcrap artist.....If teddy and woods find these words of wisdom inspiring then i question the level of intelligence that those surrounding them have.
 
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We all know he's a loss

But we all know that the roosters are a club that will spit him out as quick as they snapped him up - should someone better pop up, or should he get injured….

We offered him loyalty, in essence a lifetime contract... he's a st Gregs boy from the wests side.

But just because he's good doesn't mean we can't pick him apart.. stuff him... I'm bitter, so what. I hope he drops the ball 2000 times next year, misses tackles .. and so on... he's human... he already tried to leave once... no time for him...

We offered him loyalty????????? :laughing:
When is the penny going to drop. Loyalty only lasts until a club or player changes his or its mind.
When is this fantasy of loyalty going to get put to bed.
It doesn't exist !!!!

Loyalty isn't a fantasy. You said it yourself, even if it only lasts until someone changes their mind, it still exists, it is still feasible.

Plenty of footballers have walked out on their clubs, sure, but plenty of others have not. Loyalty is the ideal situation, the peak of club-player trust and cooperation.

Don't deride fans who seek and value loyalty. We don't all want to be cynics who can only see rugby league as a business, a method of cashflow, of employment.

If fans all held the same mentality that you speak of, if we all tossed loyalty to the kerb, then who would be left to support Wests Tigers? We'd all hitch to the Storm or Broncos bandwagon, whoever is managing sustained success, until the point at which they lose that mantle.

So fans are loyal to the club, even though loyalty is tested, and ideally we want players to be loyal as well. Players don't have to be, it's a free country, but it's reasonable that a significant number of fans will be bitter about the absence of loyalty.

Or in other words, it's easy to talk about loyalty as being secondary to "the business" and "my career" when you are drawing a salary based on the contributions of hundreds of thousands of fans.

I have to admit that some loyalty would still be alive from fans towards clubs , but there isn't much of it if any,in the opposite direction .
But that wasn't what I was referring to.
What I meant was ,there is no longer loyalty between players and clubs .
Yes there are still some players will stay at clubs and use the 'I love the club' card. For staying.
But there usually a much more pragmatic reason for staying .
In these days of TPAs. I'm isn't easy to tell whether that "love and loyalty" is stirred by a bag full of money, a car for the wife,or a promise of some other reward for them to stay for "less money ".
I'm not blaming players for not failing falling into line with the club line,as they see disloyalty all the time, Why should they be different.
I'm not saying that fans shouldn't fans shouldn't be loyal to a club,that's their choice,and that's their right.
But loyalty is extremely hard to find in a professional sport. I for would love to see more of it both ways , but most players that ive known over the years .lose that after a short time in the game.
I'm not saying that it's always been the same , but loyalty has drifted out of the game quicker
since the game went fully professional.
It may not be completely extinct yet. But it's certainly on life support, and it's sad to see that happening.
 
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We all know he's a loss

But we all know that the roosters are a club that will spit him out as quick as they snapped him up - should someone better pop up, or should he get injured….

We offered him loyalty, in essence a lifetime contract... he's a st Gregs boy from the wests side.

But just because he's good doesn't mean we can't pick him apart.. stuff him... I'm bitter, so what. I hope he drops the ball 2000 times next year, misses tackles .. and so on... he's human... he already tried to leave once... no time for him...

We offered him loyalty????????? :laughing:
When is the penny going to drop. Loyalty only lasts until a club or player changes his or its mind.
When is this fantasy of loyalty going to get put to bed.
It doesn't exist !!!!

Loyalty isn't a fantasy. You said it yourself, even if it only lasts until someone changes their mind, it still exists, it is still feasible.

Plenty of footballers have walked out on their clubs, sure, but plenty of others have not. Loyalty is the ideal situation, the peak of club-player trust and cooperation.

Don't deride fans who seek and value loyalty. We don't all want to be cynics who can only see rugby league as a business, a method of cashflow, of employment.

If fans all held the same mentality that you speak of, if we all tossed loyalty to the kerb, then who would be left to support Wests Tigers? We'd all hitch to the Storm or Broncos bandwagon, whoever is managing sustained success, until the point at which they lose that mantle.

So fans are loyal to the club, even though loyalty is tested, and ideally we want players to be loyal as well. Players don't have to be, it's a free country, but it's reasonable that a significant number of fans will be bitter about the absence of loyalty.

Or in other words, it's easy to talk about loyalty as being secondary to "the business" and "my career" when you are drawing a salary based on the contributions of hundreds of thousands of fans.

I have to admit that some loyalty would still be alive from fans towards clubs , but there isn't much of it if any,in the opposite direction .
But that wasn't what I was referring to.
What I meant was ,there is no longer loyalty between players and clubs .
Yes there are still some players will stay at clubs and use the 'I love the club' card. For staying.
But there usually a much more pragmatic reason for staying .
In these days of TPAs. I'm isn't easy to tell whether that "love and loyalty" is stirred by a bag full of money, a car for the wife,or a promise of some other reward for them to stay for "less money ".
I'm not blaming players for not failing falling into line with the club line,as they see disloyalty all the time, Why should they be different.
I'm not saying that fans shouldn't fans shouldn't be loyal to a club,that's their choice,and that's their right.
But loyalty is extremely hard to find in a professional sport. I for would love to see more of it both ways , but most players that ive known over the years .lose that after a short time in the game.
I'm not saying that it's always been the same , but loyalty has drifted out of the game quicker
since the game went fully professional.
It may not be completely extinct yet. But it's certainly on life support, and it's sad to see that happening.

The sort of loyalty that State of Origin calls for, that's what I'd love to see at club level. But I think you're probably right goldcoast tiger in not being able to get that in professional sport with the $ involved.
 
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This Webhe and Carbone get a mention again?. For christ sakes, one is a touch footy 'guru' and the other is a massage therapist….. You really have to question the modern day player. Mentally they are a bunch of pussies. "take deep breaths before you run out onto the ground"!!! That is truly ground breaking advice. What a mystic champion. Bullcrap artist.....If teddy and woods find these words of wisdom inspiring then i question the level of intelligence that those surrounding them have.

I don't think it's fair to state that all modern day rugby league players are that soft but our top 2 definitely are. I can't wait till their odour isn't around the club anymore.
 
In regards to the SMH article - at least Tedesco will be able to play injury free for the rest of his career, all he has to do is not think about injuries and they won't happen, can't believe its that simple.
I'm thinking of getting in contact with this fraud whisperer, i want him to fill my head with thoughts of winning lotto.
 
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The players say it's a business, have to look after themselves. The clubs say it's a business, gotta put the interests of the club first.

To me and some other fans, it's not business, it's a passion. It's not about money, it's not about picking the team at the top of the table, it's about pride in the jersey. In what it represents. In comradery, in standing by your mate through thick and thin no matter what.

There's no thought of switching sides for me (and some other fans). I don't want players who are there for themselves above all else, I want players who pride the jersey and will do everything they possibly can for that jersey and their mates wearing it.

Too much to ask?

Nailed it!
 
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This Webhe and Carbone get a mention again?. For christ sakes, one is a touch footy 'guru' and the other is a massage therapist….. You really have to question the modern day player. Mentally they are a bunch of pussies. **"take deep breaths before you run out onto the ground"**!!! That is truly ground breaking advice. What a mystic champion. Bullcrap artist.....If teddy and woods find these words of wisdom inspiring then i question the level of intelligence that those surrounding them have.

:laughing: His words of wisdom to Woods were something along the line of 'enjoy the game like you were 6 years old'
I wonder if these guys are paying him for these pearls of advice?
 
god these guys are real stupid, so gullible.

i'd suggest if he is struggling that much then go to a PROFESSIONAL sports psychologist and to a professional physiotherapist and not just a masseuse.
 
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This Webhe and Carbone get a mention again?. For christ sakes, one is a touch footy 'guru' and the other is a massage therapist….. You really have to question the modern day player. Mentally they are a bunch of pussies. **"take deep breaths before you run out onto the ground"**!!! That is truly ground breaking advice. What a mystic champion. Bullcrap artist.....If teddy and woods find these words of wisdom inspiring then i question the level of intelligence that those surrounding them have.

:laughing: His words of wisdom to Woods were something along the line of 'enjoy the game like you were 6 years old'
I wonder if these guys are paying him for these pearls of advice?

gotta wonder what his words to Mitch have been. must'n have spoken to him recently
 
Loyalty pretty much exists with the fans and no one else these days and that makes it even more important to ensure that your organisation is well run and is desirable -
or your chances of succeeding is very slim. The ridiculous ridiculing of Teddy and Woods for not showing a level of loyalty expected of them is becoming tiresome.
All the players we have signed have done so for money and opportunity - no different to Teddy and Woods. You could easily argue that Packer and Matalino both owed their current clubs - who both wanted to retain them - yet both chased the higher offers in their own best interest. Lucky for us not so for Warriors or Saints.
Gagai knew how important he was to Newcastle didnt stop him from signing with Souths - money opportunity location who knows but what ever the reasons they became a deciding factor over loyalty.
And the only real reason that fans are so filthy is because they are quality players no one really cares too much about how loyal a player wants to be if they are rubbish -
cant get rid of them quick enough.
 
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Loyalty pretty much exists with the fans and no one else these days and that makes it even more important to ensure that your organisation is well run and is desirable -
or your chances of succeeding is very slim. The ridiculous ridiculing of Teddy and Woods for not showing a level of loyalty expected of them is becoming tiresome.
All the players we have signed have done so for money and opportunity - no different to Teddy and Woods. You could easily argue that Packer and Matalino both owed their current clubs - who both wanted to retain them - yet both chased the higher offers in their own best interest. Lucky for us not so for Warriors or Saints.
Gagai knew how important he was to Newcastle didnt stop him from signing with Souths - money opportunity location who knows but what ever the reasons they became a deciding factor over loyalty.
And the only real reason that fans are so filthy is because they are quality players no one really cares too much about how loyal a player wants to be if they are rubbish -
cant get rid of them quick enough.

Fans are the primary stakeholders in rugby league - by far the largest number, biggest "voting", strongest financial input.

So if fans want to ridicule footballers for being "disloyal" (however you define that), then what are you going to do? It's like trying to stop people booing at games, they are just going to boo more if you make a big deal out of it.
 
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This Webhe and Carbone get a mention again?. For christ sakes, one is a touch footy 'guru' and the other is a massage therapist….. You really have to question the modern day player. Mentally they are a bunch of pussies. **"take deep breaths before you run out onto the ground"**!!! That is truly ground breaking advice. What a mystic champion. Bullcrap artist.....If teddy and woods find these words of wisdom inspiring then i question the level of intelligence that those surrounding them have.

:laughing: His words of wisdom to Woods were something along the line of 'enjoy the game like you were 6 years old'
I wonder if these guys are paying him for these pearls of advice?

gotta wonder what his words to Mitch have been. must'n have spoken to him recently

Again, why do we get in a flap about tiny things that mosttof us only hear about through newspaper articles or some other second or third party.
Remember we detest most of these reporters most of the time, and only agree with them when they write something that suits us.

If we want to belittle players because they chose to speak to someone about "whatever ", maybe their next game, maybe their general day to day life, maybe just about their next fishing trip coming up, Or a professional sports physiotherapist .
It may be a revelation , that there is a hell of a lot of players that do the same thing on game days , or maybe on some sort of semi regular time through the week. It isn't always a professional person . But it usually will be someone who knows how to calm them before a game, or to focus them , Or any of a dozen reasons

A perfect example is that the islanders in the Nrl usually have a prayer session before every game and in some cases also after a game. Some non religious players have their own way of preparation and may do something else.
A lot of players don't like to change their preparation even a little, and stick as much as they can to the same thing every. Game

I can tell you that in golf some sort of pro shrink , or some non pro Confidant , number as many as the pros themselves at a big Tournament.
Having a ex pro golf player in the family , opened my eyes as to how many rely on them in big tournaments.
The funniest thing is that as in football or golf only one team or player wins . And from what I've seen . Whether it's the shrink or a family friend , they all usually have about the same success and failure rates.

I don't agree with the whisperer being in the dressing room. ( that's only second hand or third hand, so I don't know if it's true or not). Or being around the club ( if that's true) but can't see anything wrong if they see him involved in anyway outside that.

Like other sports therapists (Pro or Not) they can be hit and miss, so it's pointless to expect that they make a great difference to eventual events . They usually won't stop people having a shocker on any given day. They just can help in preparations in most cases.

I had the misfortune at my eldest Grandsons wedding last year( also Involved in golf). In sitting next to someone whose had an involvement with 2 nrl clubs A little while ago
As a sports shrink. And I can promise you that he was the biggest Wanker that I've ever met.

He was a God Botherer as well, which made it even worse. , but by halfway through the reception, he had a couple of usually sane young players (Golf) believing that he was almost solely responsible for the premiership that one of the clubs won

Still a lot of players swear by some of these blokes, so I suppose that some of them provide a service
 
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Loyalty pretty much exists with the fans and no one else these days and that makes it even more important to ensure that your organisation is well run and is desirable -
or your chances of succeeding is very slim. The ridiculous ridiculing of Teddy and Woods for not showing a level of loyalty expected of them is becoming tiresome.
All the players we have signed have done so for money and opportunity - no different to Teddy and Woods. You could easily argue that Packer and Matalino both owed their current clubs - who both wanted to retain them - yet both chased the higher offers in their own best interest. Lucky for us not so for Warriors or Saints.
Gagai knew how important he was to Newcastle didnt stop him from signing with Souths - money opportunity location who knows but what ever the reasons they became a deciding factor over loyalty.
And the only real reason that fans are so filthy is because they are quality players no one really cares too much about how loyal a player wants to be if they are rubbish -
cant get rid of them quick enough.

Fans are the primary stakeholders in rugby league - by far the largest number, biggest "voting", strongest financial input.

So if fans want to ridicule footballers for being "disloyal" (however you define that), then what are you going to do? It's like trying to stop people booing at games, they are just going to boo more if you make a big deal out of it.

If every player was to be loyal then the NRL would be won by the same teams year after year, as there is no change of rosters.

How would you feel if the Tigers were coming last and all the players were 'loyal' and got the wooden spoon every year?

Telltails said it well how players don't have to be loyal. I am sure everybody is fine with our 2018 signings to come to Concord and not be loyal to their previous clubs. Loyalty is one aspect, but whatever benefits both parties (club & player) should take priority.

What fans want is for the players to give back to the club. As jirskyr said, fans are the primary stakeholders in rugby league. So the players should give back to the loyal fans (like myself and many others here) by saying good things about the club and that they are sad to leave. This is why many on this forum are upset and angry on the departure of Moses, Teddy & Woods, as the didn't give back to the club that gave so much to them.
 
West Ben.
I'm not sure how old you are, but don't you think it is a bit childish to expect players to say something that they may or may not believe is true , just so you can feel warm and fuzzy inside.
I'd much rather that they said what they believe is the truth.

As for your comment that if players were loyal there'd be no Changes of Rosters, what do you think a contract is ? A lifetime commitment ???
Whenever a contract comes to an end players can and do, change clubs if they want too
They're free agents. Surprise Surprise ! Roster rotation!!

What a strange post !
 
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I don't agree with the whisperer being in the dressing room. ( that's only second hand or third hand, so I don't know if it's true or not). Or being around the club ( if that's true) but can't see anything wrong if they see him involved in anyway outside that.

Like other sports therapists (Pro or Not) they can be hit and miss, so it's pointless to expect that they make a great difference to eventual events . They usually won't stop people having a shocker on any given day. They just can help in preparations in most cases.

I had the misfortune at my eldest Grandsons wedding last year( also Involved in golf). In sitting next to someone whose had an involvement with 2 nrl clubs A little while ago
As a sports shrink. And I can promise you that he was the biggest Wanker that I've ever met.

He was a God Botherer as well, which made it even worse. , but by halfway through the reception, he had a couple of usually sane young players (Golf) believing that he was almost solely responsible for the premiership that one of the clubs won

Still a lot of players swear by some of these blokes, so I suppose that some of them provide a service

I've had a bit to do with Sports Psychologists as regards Golf & Tennis and it does help some people/personalities especially those that need confidence reinforced to believe they are as good or better than their opponent/s and can win.
Like everything in life some Sports people improve after counselling,some it doesn't make any difference and some actually go backwards.Lottery as far as Football goes as you have 13/15 or more different personalities to deal with on a daily basis,hard to get uniform Team improvement.
 

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