Jason Taylor: "Disappointed..."

[Sco77y]

Same old same old,we loose and the coach bashers are out in force to have a swing.

We have basically a pretty inexperienced team that probably hit the wall after the Cowboys game. At the start of the year I thought the grind would get to us mid season but we actually lasted till the last month. We are still way off being a good side but we have made good progress from last year and you would hope we will make similar improvements next year.

Our roster needs some new faces, but I guess the salary cap is going to prevent much happening, the good thing we have some real forward talent coming up through the grades that should be ready for the NRL in a couple of seasons.

Taylor deserved to see out his contract and at the end of next year he is either flicked or retained depending on our season. Changing coaches every year or two is madness

One of the only worthwhile posts in this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion of course, but wow there's some shockers. Can't believe the amount of people who think bringing in a new coach would be of any benefit.. It makes no sense to do that.

Many on this forum believe we have a squad good enough to be playing finals football. Some of us believe the reason we didn't make the finals this year is due to ridiculous coaching selections week in and week out (Rankin, Lovett, Edwards, Milone etc) and the inability to get the team going when it mattered most (see Friday nights game). Some on here blame the top 25 cap limitations as to why those selections were made, but it was that same coach that made the top 25 at the beginning of the season.

I guess ultimately we believe there are better coaches out there (Toovey/Cleary etc) who will do a much better job. Doesn't that make sense to you?

Yes of course I agree that there are better coaches out there - Craig Bellamy and possibly Bennett (although personally I think he's overrated). That's it. And they're both unavailable. There are also better players out there, but does that mean we're going to bring in Cameron Smith and dump Brooks for Cooper Cronk? No, because we can't, and it's the same reason we can't have a "better" coach. Cleary would not be better than Taylor, possibly Toovey but he's been out of the game for a little while now and would also be a step backwards I would think. My point is there really isn't a better coach, Taylor is moving in the right direction and the team is building towards something, it takes time. Bringing in a new coach would only undo all of that work and we'd be back at square one.. Again.. We don't need the instability of the past to continue, we have a chance to finally bring it to an end, and with Taylor making some tough decisions we're already on the right track. But hey, some people seem content to bring Toddy Payten back in..

 

[avocadoontoast]

Same old same old,we loose and the coach bashers are out in force to have a swing.

We have basically a pretty inexperienced team that probably hit the wall after the Cowboys game. At the start of the year I thought the grind would get to us mid season but we actually lasted till the last month. We are still way off being a good side but we have made good progress from last year and you would hope we will make similar improvements next year.

Our roster needs some new faces, but I guess the salary cap is going to prevent much happening, the good thing we have some real forward talent coming up through the grades that should be ready for the NRL in a couple of seasons.

Taylor deserved to see out his contract and at the end of next year he is either flicked or retained depending on our season. Changing coaches every year or two is madness

One of the only worthwhile posts in this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion of course, but wow there's some shockers. Can't believe the amount of people who think bringing in a new coach would be of any benefit.. It makes no sense to do that.

Many on this forum believe we have a squad good enough to be playing finals football. Some of us believe the reason we didn't make the finals this year is due to ridiculous coaching selections week in and week out (Rankin, Lovett, Edwards, Milone etc) and the inability to get the team going when it mattered most (see Friday nights game). Some on here blame the top 25 cap limitations as to why those selections were made, but it was that same coach that made the top 25 at the beginning of the season.

I guess ultimately we believe there are better coaches out there (Toovey/Cleary etc) who will do a much better job. Doesn't that make sense to you?

Yes of course I agree that there are better coaches out there - Craig Bellamy and possibly Bennett (although personally I think he's overrated). That's it. And they're both unavailable. There are also better players out there, but does that mean we're going to bring in Cameron Smith and dump Brooks for Cooper Cronk? No, because we can't, and it's the same reason we can't have a "better" coach. Cleary would not be better than Taylor, possibly Toovey but he's been out of the game for a little while now and would also be a step backwards I would think. My point is there really isn't a better coach, Taylor is moving in the right direction and the team is building towards something, it takes time. Bringing in a new coach would only undo all of that work and we'd be back at square one.. Again.. We don't need the instability of the past to continue, we have a chance to finally bring it to an end, and with Taylor making some tough decisions we're already on the right track. But hey, some people seem content to bring Toddy Payten back in..

So let me get this straight. In your opinion Jason Taylor is the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the NRL?

 

[Sco77y]

The Panther's and the appointment process for Anthony Griffin. Did we ring Souths for a reference check? :laughing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-21/anthony-griffin-announced-as-panthers-coach/6871558

Griffin dropped the panthers first grade hooker & put a halfback into #9 but he's a genius :laughing:

Sounds more like a sheenius..

 

[Sco77y]

One of the only worthwhile posts in this thread. Everyone entitled to their opinion of course, but wow there's some shockers. Can't believe the amount of people who think bringing in a new coach would be of any benefit.. It makes no sense to do that.

Many on this forum believe we have a squad good enough to be playing finals football. Some of us believe the reason we didn't make the finals this year is due to ridiculous coaching selections week in and week out (Rankin, Lovett, Edwards, Milone etc) and the inability to get the team going when it mattered most (see Friday nights game). Some on here blame the top 25 cap limitations as to why those selections were made, but it was that same coach that made the top 25 at the beginning of the season.

I guess ultimately we believe there are better coaches out there (Toovey/Cleary etc) who will do a much better job. Doesn't that make sense to you?

Yes of course I agree that there are better coaches out there - Craig Bellamy and possibly Bennett (although personally I think he's overrated). That's it. And they're both unavailable. There are also better players out there, but does that mean we're going to bring in Cameron Smith and dump Brooks for Cooper Cronk? No, because we can't, and it's the same reason we can't have a "better" coach. Cleary would not be better than Taylor, possibly Toovey but he's been out of the game for a little while now and would also be a step backwards I would think. My point is there really isn't a better coach, Taylor is moving in the right direction and the team is building towards something, it takes time. Bringing in a new coach would only undo all of that work and we'd be back at square one.. Again.. We don't need the instability of the past to continue, we have a chance to finally bring it to an end, and with Taylor making some tough decisions we're already on the right track. But hey, some people seem content to bring Toddy Payten back in..

So let me get this straight. In your opinion Jason Taylor is the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the NRL?

Actually I left out Hassler, but it's just an example. Really I don't think the others are either here nor there, those three would probably be the only ones worth getting in if the opportunity presented. I'm not saying Taylor falls in just behind them, but he's been with us for a while now and is probably the best option for OUR team. A coach doesn't simply come in and ace it in the first few months, that's rare, and even some of the best coaches couldn't do that (Wayne Bennett - Knights). Taylor is the best option for us because it's the most stable option, and the team is already moving in the right direction so why risk derailing that? Just not sure what some people think we'd actually achieve by bringing in a new coach - someone to pander to Robbie again and extend his contract for 10 years?

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Facts are this year some teams fell off the cliff - Roosters, Souths, Manly.

2 Teams did not participate - Newcastle and Parramatta.

We had a decent run with injuries and a good enough side to make The Top 8 (Top 9 this year)

However we are still going to miss out.

The Fact JT and the boys could not do it is a worry for mine. It wasn't a bad season by any means however missing the Finals in a comp where 14 teams participated should not be seen as a success.

Next year I am sure some teams are not going to have the shockers they had this year.

Shouldn't forget that Parra beat us with a cheating cap team. Those 2 points would be nice.

 

[Masterton]

People have been bagging Griffin however he has had the last laugh.

Got rid of Segayaro, Soward and has his team firing on all cylinders at the right team of year.

I think they have a better squad then us though, so he should be doing better.

It's an interesting point. Griffin has a good record of developing youngsters, but's he's not afraid to move players on. I suspect JAC & Felise might have been in first grade all year, but maybe Farah & Lawry would be in reserves. Certainly Elijah wouldn't be here.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Facts are this year some teams fell off the cliff - Roosters, Souths, Manly.

2 Teams did not participate - Newcastle and Parramatta.

We had a decent run with injuries and a good enough side to make The Top 8 (Top 9 this year)

However we are still going to miss out.

The Fact JT and the boys could not do it is a worry for mine. It wasn't a bad season by any means however missing the Finals in a comp where 14 teams participated should not be seen as a success.

Next year I am sure some teams are not going to have the shockers they had this year.

Shouldn't forget that Parra beat us with a cheating cap team. Those 2 points would be nice.

By Jove we should have received those points when Parra lost them. Completely unfair we never had a fair chance to win them. Ridiculous situation. We are penalised yet we were the honest ones. Where is my protest banner?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Doesn't work that way. Who's to say we would have beaten them if they had a legal side? The same way Parramatta doesn't get the 09 grand final because they could have easily been beaten by anyone else Melbourne beat to get there.

You can't award points or trophies on coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's.

 

[Geo]

Doesn't work that way. Who's to say we would have beaten them if they had a legal side? The same way Parramatta doesn't get the 09 grand final because they could have easily been beaten by anyone else Melbourne beat to get there.

You can't award points or trophies on coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's.

Gold Medals from the Olympics count …?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Olympics are a farce anyway.

 

[foreveratiger]

God I'd even sign Ricky Stuart and I can't stand his arrogance.
Must admit his assembled a fantastic unit down there, that pomie hooker is a gem.
Really no frills players like Whitehead, Bateman, Tapine playing out of there skins and to think they just missed out on Tedesco.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Doesn't work that way. Who's to say we would have beaten them if they had a legal side? The same way Parramatta doesn't get the 09 grand final because they could have easily been beaten by anyone else Melbourne beat to get there.

You can't award points or trophies on coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's.

Gold Medals from the Olympics count …?

Exactly, awarded years later. We are still in the season so no reason why they cannot be awarded respectively, or we replay them when their team is legal. Either is more just than penalising us for being honest. And without Farah in the replay we must kill them. ha haha

 

[avocadoontoast]

Many on this forum believe we have a squad good enough to be playing finals football. Some of us believe the reason we didn't make the finals this year is due to ridiculous coaching selections week in and week out (Rankin, Lovett, Edwards, Milone etc) and the inability to get the team going when it mattered most (see Friday nights game). Some on here blame the top 25 cap limitations as to why those selections were made, but it was that same coach that made the top 25 at the beginning of the season.

I guess ultimately we believe there are better coaches out there (Toovey/Cleary etc) who will do a much better job. Doesn't that make sense to you?

Yes of course I agree that there are better coaches out there - Craig Bellamy and possibly Bennett (although personally I think he's overrated). That's it. And they're both unavailable. There are also better players out there, but does that mean we're going to bring in Cameron Smith and dump Brooks for Cooper Cronk? No, because we can't, and it's the same reason we can't have a "better" coach. Cleary would not be better than Taylor, possibly Toovey but he's been out of the game for a little while now and would also be a step backwards I would think. My point is there really isn't a better coach, Taylor is moving in the right direction and the team is building towards something, it takes time. Bringing in a new coach would only undo all of that work and we'd be back at square one.. Again.. We don't need the instability of the past to continue, we have a chance to finally bring it to an end, and with Taylor making some tough decisions we're already on the right track. But hey, some people seem content to bring Toddy Payten back in..

So let me get this straight. In your opinion Jason Taylor is the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the NRL?

Actually I left out Hassler, but it's just an example. Really I don't think the others are either here nor there, those three would probably be the only ones worth getting in if the opportunity presented. I'm not saying Taylor falls in just behind them, but he's been with us for a while now and is probably the best option for OUR team. A coach doesn't simply come in and ace it in the first few months, that's rare, and even some of the best coaches couldn't do that (Wayne Bennett - Knights). Taylor is the best option for us because it's the most stable option, and the team is already moving in the right direction so why risk derailing that? Just not sure what some people think we'd actually achieve by bringing in a new coach - someone to pander to Robbie again and extend his contract for 10 years?

It's hard to take you seriously when you throw a comment in about Farah at the end. We weren't even talking about Farah but like most JT fans you can't help yourself.

As for Taylor he's nowhere near the top few coaches in the competition and if you truly believe that you're kidding yourself. Comparing him to Bennett is laughable (he's won 7 grand finals you know?) and the fact Bennett got the Newcastle team to the preliminary finals in 2013 is almost as impressive as winning a grand final. Do you think Taylor would have got that team to the preliminary finals?

I don't like the position the team is heading in. I think 2016 has been a massive disappointment and a complete waste of talent. Our team should have made the finals this year but we didn't. If you're happy languishing on the bottom half of the ladder that's fine, but I'd rather see us in the finals.

If we fail to make the finals next year as well will you still be saying he's in the top few coaches in the competition?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Doesn't work that way. Who's to say we would have beaten them if they had a legal side? The same way Parramatta doesn't get the 09 grand final because they could have easily been beaten by anyone else Melbourne beat to get there.

You can't award points or trophies on coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's.

Gold Medals from the Olympics count …?

Exactly, awarded years later. We are still in the season so no reason why they cannot be awarded respectively, or we replay them when their team is legal. Either is more just than penalising us for being honest. And without Farah in the replay we must kill them. ha haha

Yes there is a reason: the precedent has been set in years past. I'm sure teams have missed out on the finals due to the Dogs, Warriors, Melbourne and now Parra in the past cheating the cap. How do you go back and police that. You didn't get the result on the day so you don't get the points. Like when a team fields 14, the losing side doesn't get two points.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Doesn't work that way. Who's to say we would have beaten them if they had a legal side? The same way Parramatta doesn't get the 09 grand final because they could have easily been beaten by anyone else Melbourne beat to get there.

You can't award points or trophies on coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's.

Gold Medals from the Olympics count …?

Exactly, awarded years later. We are still in the season so no reason why they cannot be awarded respectively, or we replay them when their team is legal. Either is more just than penalising us for being honest. And without Farah in the replay we must kill them. ha haha

Yes there is a reason: the precedent has been set in years past. I'm sure teams have missed out on the finals due to the Dogs, Warriors, Melbourne and now Parra in the past cheating the cap. How do you go back and police that. You didn't get the result on the day so you don't get the points. Like when a team fields 14, the losing side doesn't get two points.

Well then the second option - we replay when their team is legal. We begin the precedent of having a just comp by replaying cheated games. I have not come up with how Parra will fit in another half a dozen games but working on it.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

As for Taylor he's nowhere near the top few coaches in the competition and if you truly believe that you're kidding yourself. Comparing him to Bennett is laughable (he's won 7 grand finals you know?) and the fact Bennett got the Newcastle team to the preliminary finals in 2013 is almost as impressive as winning a grand final. Do you think Taylor would have got that team to the preliminary finals?

I don't think anyone has compared Taylor to Bennett, if they have, I have missed the post.

Taylor did get Parramatta to the finals in 2006\. When he took over Parramatta were 15th and 3 wins outside the 8 after round 11\. He also took what was a pretty ordinary South Sydney team to the finals in 2007, their first time since 1989.

He is a middle tier coach with a developing track record, that's all that is available at this stage and most likely all we can afford too.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Gold Medals from the Olympics count …?

Exactly, awarded years later. We are still in the season so no reason why they cannot be awarded respectively, or we replay them when their team is legal. Either is more just than penalising us for being honest. And without Farah in the replay we must kill them. ha haha

Yes there is a reason: the precedent has been set in years past. I'm sure teams have missed out on the finals due to the Dogs, Warriors, Melbourne and now Parra in the past cheating the cap. How do you go back and police that. You didn't get the result on the day so you don't get the points. Like when a team fields 14, the losing side doesn't get two points.

Well then the second option - we replay when their team is legal. We begin the precedent of having a just comp by replaying cheated games. I have not come up with how Parra will fit in another half a dozen games but working on it.

Yeah that'll work.

Oh it's past noon, you're probably already baked.

 

[ricksen]

God I'd even sign Ricky Stuart and I can't stand his arrogance.
Must admit his assembled a fantastic unit down there, that pomie hooker is a gem.
Really no frills players like Whitehead, Bateman, Tapine playing out of there skins and to think they just missed out on Tedesco.

The Raiders are a good example of smart recruitment, and show that money/location isn't everything. All the squabbling over JTs coaching ability is pretty meaningless until we sort out our cap issues - we're still making the same mistakes in that sense.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Exactly, awarded years later. We are still in the season so no reason why they cannot be awarded respectively, or we replay them when their team is legal. Either is more just than penalising us for being honest. And without Farah in the replay we must kill them. ha haha

Yes there is a reason: the precedent has been set in years past. I'm sure teams have missed out on the finals due to the Dogs, Warriors, Melbourne and now Parra in the past cheating the cap. How do you go back and police that. You didn't get the result on the day so you don't get the points. Like when a team fields 14, the losing side doesn't get two points.

Well then the second option - we replay when their team is legal. We begin the precedent of having a just comp by replaying cheated games. I have not come up with how Parra will fit in another half a dozen games but working on it.

Yeah that'll work.

Oh it's past noon, you're probably already baked.

thanks for bringing it up, beautiful and warm now so I am off. with my current crook foot swimming is the only exercise I can do. water is 20+ degrees btw

 

[TigerSJ]

So we're all very "disappointed" - for me it's probably mostly because I thought the boys would at least have a dig (this being one of the areas I had thought had changed this year), especially after all the recent talk of how great the vibe was amongst the team etc etc.
However, let's be honest, all the old weaknesses are still there and have been all along - sure as fans we have been lulled into a false sense of security with a few wins, but really we have never been that convincing even when we have won. No, I am not one of the guys on here that whinges all the time - even when we win! I'd like to think that I am simply realistic about WT's performances each week.

So at this point in the season, what have been some of the positives and negatives….and what part has Taylor played as coach?

Positives
-Since last year we have managed to clean up our Roster and cut a lot of dead wood (JT has had input)
-We somehow jagged Elijah Taylor - lets hope we can keep him.
-We have focused largely on retaining the quality young guys with a view to the future
-Our attack has looked great at times (although Teddy plays a very important role)
-Our halves have improved (especially when the forwards have played strongly enough to allow this)
-The heart and desire to win has been evident more often than in recent years (possibly related to those qualities being more present in the young core playing group than anything that JT has been able to develop as the coach)
-We have won a few games this year that we probably would have lost in past years - certainly a good sign (perhaps JT has coached this patience and maturity)
-There are clubs with better rosters than ours that have been worse performers this season.

Negatives
-We have leaked way too many points all year and our defensive structures are still poor.
-We have not had a truly convincing win against a side that has played well against us
-Any quality team that has turned up to play has beaten us - some way too easily.
-We are short, as a minimum, a winger, centre, second rower and prop
-We lack any real NRL player depth across the board (salary cap issues)
-We can't kick goals at NRL standard
-Our general culture, belief, desire and team spirit is probably questionable - directly on JT
-Team selections have been often questionable - also on JT
-The RF vs JT saga has been a huge mess - the Club in general is responsible for this.

In the end we are probably positioned exactly where we deserve to be considering our roster and depth. If you consider a few teams that should have done better - Manly, Souths, Roosters - we may even be higher on the ladder than expected. Would another Coach have done better? Certainly some things might have been handled differently and some of the negatives listed above might not have arisen, but the real answer on JT's value lies with the players and how much they believe in him as the right guy for next year and beyond. Realistically what we think of him is unimportant.

Anyhow, all is not lost yet - this week we beat the Warriors and the Panthers beat the Titans and we are back in it!!