Jason Taylor: "Disappointed..."

@dimitri said:
ITs Taylor that picks the team and the bench and the rotation of such.

Hand on heart and say that Taylor picked the best 17 team available or was he playing favourites.

Unfortunately, its hard to argue. He got the playing personnel wrong and we missed the 8 again.

Playing Ranking at fullback was not an issue. But it is a taxing position and expecting him to be burdened with playing dummy half, in a crunch game as well, is the stuff of a delusional man.

I'll let others bang on about Taylors positive attributes but he doesnt seem to be good at man managing. That folks, is the most important part of his role. Getting the players to play for him and getting them to use their attributes to the best of their ability.

Big F on his report card.

People hear things differently, but in regard to your penultimate paragraph, for mine it is the players that have been banging on about Taylor for a while now and it is something that only really only started earlier this season. I assume you have listened to at least a few interviews?
 
@Sco77y said:
@avocadoontoast said:
@Sco77y said:
@avocadoontoast said:
So let me get this straight. In your opinion Jason Taylor is the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the NRL?

Actually I left out Hassler, but it's just an example. Really I don't think the others are either here nor there, those three would probably be the only ones worth getting in if the opportunity presented. I'm not saying Taylor falls in just behind them, but he's been with us for a while now and is probably the best option for OUR team. A coach doesn't simply come in and ace it in the first few months, that's rare, and even some of the best coaches couldn't do that (Wayne Bennett - Knights). Taylor is the best option for us because it's the most stable option, and the team is already moving in the right direction so why risk derailing that? Just not sure what some people think we'd actually achieve by bringing in a new coach - someone to pander to Robbie again and extend his contract for 10 years?

It's hard to take you seriously when you throw a comment in about Farah at the end. We weren't even talking about Farah but like most JT fans you can't help yourself.

As for Taylor he's nowhere near the top few coaches in the competition and if you truly believe that you're kidding yourself. Comparing him to Bennett is laughable (he's won 7 grand finals you know?) and the fact Bennett got the Newcastle team to the preliminary finals in 2013 is almost as impressive as winning a grand final. Do you think Taylor would have got that team to the preliminary finals?

I don't like the position the team is heading in. I think 2016 has been a massive disappointment and a complete waste of talent. Our team should have made the finals this year but we didn't. If you're happy languishing on the bottom half of the ladder that's fine, but I'd rather see us in the finals.

If we fail to make the finals next year as well will you still be saying he's in the top few coaches in the competition?

Well it's a good example isn't it? I didn't just say it out of spite. Potter was trying to get our house in order and really try to build something, but for whatever reason he was sacked before he had the chance. We went backwards, but now we have a more resilient coach and he is finally getting some support and making the decisions that need to be made to move us forward.
Never said Taylor was in the top few coaches, and never compared him to Bennett. As for the Knights 2013 season - yes Taylor had done similar with the Eels, so who's to say he couldn't have? How could this season be disappointing? Most people had us in the bottom 8 so are you surprised? Or are you one of the very few that had us playing finals? Tbh I thought we'd make the 8, and hey we nearly got there despite popular opinion. I think we'll be in there next season, but not if we're destabilised by a new "better" coach.

No. It's a poor example and totally irrelevant.

You did say that. You said:

Sco77y wrote:
"Yes of course I agree that there are better coaches out there - Craig Bellamy and possibly Bennett (although personally I think he's overrated). That's it. And they're both unavailable."

As for disappointment, yes, i am disappointed. Our team is good enough to make the finals and I think with the right coaching we'd be there.
 
It's not irrelevant, it's evidence that we're moving in the right direction. I see it as an example of the club setting a strong precedence, which can only be a good thing for the future.

Ok I could have worded that a little differently, I don't literally think Taylor is the fourth best coach in the NRL, just that he wouldn't be worth replacing with anyone less than those examples. He's been developing our team over the past couple of seasons and there's no need to start from square one again. We've had 3 coaches in the last 5 years - it's ridiculous.
 
The bottom line, in 2015 we came equal last and in 2016 we will probably finish either 9th or 10th. To me that is a significant improvement. The NRL must be one if not the hardest comp in the world when you consider you have a squad of 25 contracted players to get through a season with, playing a very physical game. So to climb up the ladder and just fall short of the eight in my books is a good year considering where we came from
 
Thats fine supercoach you can think that.

The reality is he has failed to get a talented squad into the finals despite his pre season predictions. He has failed to fix our defence despite his continued promises. He has failed to select the strongest 17 available week after week after week.

Only a wests tigers fan would consider this season positively.
 
@stryker said:
Thats fine supercoach you can think that.

The reality is he has failed to get a talented squad into the finals despite his pre season predictions. He has failed to fix our defence despite his continued promises. He has failed to select the strongest 17 available week after week after week.

Only a wests tigers fan would consider this season positively.

Yep, 100% right.
 
@stryker said:
Thats fine supercoach you can think that.

The reality is he has failed to get a talented squad into the finals despite his pre season predictions. He has failed to fix our defence despite his continued promises. He has failed to select the strongest 17 available week after week after week.

Only a wests tigers fan would consider this season positively.

Agreed just like last year he has failed to deliver.This year we have had few long term injuries so basically we had the talent for him to pick from.This he consistently failed to do picking favourites. As for our defence it has not improved at all and this was the area he said he was concentrating on.He has been a total failure in my opinion
 
@supercoach said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
@Pokies said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
I don't get the whole "if Parra didn't get busted cheating we'd be further down the ladder" argument. They did. They had no right to compete for points with an illegal side.

If teams get found out to be competing with an illegal advantage they should all be wiped.

What you say is 100% true but that's not really the angle I think most people look at regarding Parra.

I think what most (including myself) are looking at is what impact Parras forfeiting of points means to our chances of making the top 8.

For me its as simple as instead of the usual 16 teams competing for 8 final places, this year it was 15 competing for 8 as Parra ruled themselves out of contention by cheating. Therefore our chances for making the top 8 were improved this year compared to the usual standard based on percentages alone.

Yeah the chances improve, but you still have to be better than 7 of the other 15.

We were also disadvantaged as we had to play them the first time when they had basically an illegal team. Okay they had the points taken off them but we did not gain anything by playing a legal team and two points could be possibly the difference between a good season and a average season

We did gain something. An extra position up on the ladder.
 
@stryker said:
Thats fine supercoach you can think that.

The reality is he has failed to get a talented squad into the finals despite his pre season predictions. He has failed to fix our defence despite his continued promises. He has failed to select the strongest 17 available week after week after week.

Only a wests tigers fan would consider this season positively.

Yep bang on, especially " DEFENCE ".

9th or 16th and anywhere in between…..your still not playing semi final footy.
And to think you only need to win 50% of your games to make the semi's and stumble over the line :unamused:
 
@stryker said:
Thats fine supercoach you can think that.

The reality is he has failed to get a talented squad into the finals despite his pre season predictions. He has failed to fix our defence despite his continued promises. He has failed to select the strongest 17 available week after week after week.

Only a wests tigers fan would consider this season positively.

Here's another reality. This time last year we were fighting to avoid the spoon. This year with 2 weeks left we are still in contention for the 8\. Some would consider that an improvement.
 
"The coach has the right to chose because it is his future on the line". So now we await the consequences and accountability because JT despite being able to select his team, talk the talk and with only 15 teams in the running for 8 positions, still could not do it. Over to you Mr Pascoe to deliver the accountability.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
"The coach has the right to chose because it is his future on the line". So now we await the consequences and accountability because JT despite being able to select his team, talk the talk and with only 15 teams in the running for 8 positions, still could not do it. Over to you Mr Pascoe to deliver the accountability.

Didn't know JT signed Farah to the ridiculous back loaded contract but thanks for the heads up
 
@vlad said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
"The coach has the right to chose because it is his future on the line". So now we await the consequences and accountability because JT despite being able to select his team, talk the talk and with only 15 teams in the running for 8 positions, still could not do it. Over to you Mr Pascoe to deliver the accountability.

Didn't know JT signed Farah to the ridiculous back loaded contract but thanks for the heads up

I see the fan boys have the Excuses 101 cabinet fully stocked.

But JT signed on knowing what players he had on roster and as coach he should have got the best from his players.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@vlad said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
"The coach has the right to chose because it is his future on the line". So now we await the consequences and accountability because JT despite being able to select his team, talk the talk and with only 15 teams in the running for 8 positions, still could not do it. Over to you Mr Pascoe to deliver the accountability.

Didn't know JT signed Farah to the ridiculous back loaded contract but thanks for the heads up

I see the fan boys have the Excuses 101 cabinet fully stocked.

But JT signed on knowing what players he had on roster and as coach he should have got the best from his players.

Yep and now he's trying to change the roster but some people seem to be happy with where we've been since 2011 .
 
@Snapper said:
😛ray: Our defence let us down!
A new defensive Coach for 2017 is coming.
Young but old blood is coming back!

Yep, glad Kidwell is apparently on the way out.. Obviously something up there because our defence is still appalling. Do you know something about a new defence coach coming in Snapper? Not sure who you're referring to.
 
@Snapper said:
😛ray: Our defence let us down!
A new defensive Coach for 2017 is coming.
Young but old blood is coming back!

Does that sound like a former player, or am I reading too much into it?
 

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