Jason Taylor Talkin Sport 13/2..

[goldcoast_tiger]

Who knows. For all we know they could be shopping Simona around to free up cash to give someone an upgrade for this year to sweeten the deal. As crazy as this club is at times, i don't doubt for a second that Pascoe doesn't hold the big 4 in the highest regard and makes it clear to them they are the future of the club.

Pascoe is no bone head thats for sure. But can he pull it off? He can go from hero to zero in a jiffy if he gets it wrong.

Absolutely. I think heads should roll if we lose more than one of them. Personally, i think Woods is a lay down to stay. I honestly can't see him leaving. And i have a feeling Brooks will stay, if for no other reason he has zero offers elsewhere and stays on reduced money. Tedesco and Moses are the ones to worry about. Tedesco has talked a big game about how much he wants to stay, but talk is cheap. As for Mr "leave it to my manager" Moses, he's hardly said anything encouraging regarding his intentions. I feel like he's 50/50.

Excluding tedesco does anyone else think everyone might be over emotional in retaining the "big 4" the fact this title is floating about. These guys have not got us in the top 8 and likely contribute to our bad defense. Melbourne big 3 got that title due to a gf and constantly making finals. I don't know I'm getting sick of their manager holding the club ransome on over emotional fan like on here. There still only purchasing potential at this point. The whole Gus tweet over roosters waiting for Moses to mature to poach got swept under the table in terms of Moses reputation. I don't know why these guys stroll around like nrl royalty . Rant over.

You've got a point, in reality we don't really have a " big four, ". More like a big Two, as well as 2 who as yet haven't fully proved themselves.
Brooks has to learn to stand up for himself on the field, and Moses has to show that he can get more consistency in his game before they can class themselves as good first graders, let alone "Stars".
They will probably get there, but there's no gaurantee.

 

[Geo]

Missed it anyone got a link or can give a summary

Here you go..

http://2smsupernetwork.com/nrl-wests-tigers-2017-season-preview-with-coach-jason-taylor/

What do I need to d/l to play this?…not working though that crap 2sm website has given me problems in the past

Hmm not sure Innk..i just clicked the link and then hit launch audio player and it works..

Try this link… http://2smsupernetwork.com/wp/wp-content/plugins/mp3-jplayer/popout.php

 

[TCL]

Pascoe is no bone head thats for sure. But can he pull it off? He can go from hero to zero in a jiffy if he gets it wrong.

Absolutely. I think heads should roll if we lose more than one of them. Personally, i think Woods is a lay down to stay. I honestly can't see him leaving. And i have a feeling Brooks will stay, if for no other reason he has zero offers elsewhere and stays on reduced money. Tedesco and Moses are the ones to worry about. Tedesco has talked a big game about how much he wants to stay, but talk is cheap. As for Mr "leave it to my manager" Moses, he's hardly said anything encouraging regarding his intentions. I feel like he's 50/50.

Excluding tedesco does anyone else think everyone might be over emotional in retaining the "big 4" the fact this title is floating about. These guys have not got us in the top 8 and likely contribute to our bad defense. Melbourne big 3 got that title due to a gf and constantly making finals. I don't know I'm getting sick of their manager holding the club ransome on over emotional fan like on here. There still only purchasing potential at this point. The whole Gus tweet over roosters waiting for Moses to mature to poach got swept under the table in terms of Moses reputation. I don't know why these guys stroll around like nrl royalty . Rant over.

You've got a point, in reality we don't really have a " big four, ". More like a big Two, as well as 2 who as yet haven't fully proved themselves.
Brooks has to learn to stand up for himself on the field, and Moses has to show that he can get more consistency in his game before they can class themselves as good first graders, let alone "Stars".
They will probably get there, but there's no gaurantee.

They are the big 4 in our club. But you make a valid points.

 

[TYGA]

Peter Tunks and Graeme hughes hit the nail on the head at the end of this interview.
We have lost Halatau, JAC, Farah, Cherrington, Sirro and perhaps Simona and our biggest signing is Idris. They also share my thoughts on Ballin who has played a few games in the last few years as being a real issue.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Pascoe is no bone head thats for sure. But can he pull it off? He can go from hero to zero in a jiffy if he gets it wrong.

Absolutely. I think heads should roll if we lose more than one of them. Personally, i think Woods is a lay down to stay. I honestly can't see him leaving. And i have a feeling Brooks will stay, if for no other reason he has zero offers elsewhere and stays on reduced money. Tedesco and Moses are the ones to worry about. Tedesco has talked a big game about how much he wants to stay, but talk is cheap. As for Mr "leave it to my manager" Moses, he's hardly said anything encouraging regarding his intentions. I feel like he's 50/50.

Excluding tedesco does anyone else think everyone might be over emotional in retaining the "big 4" the fact this title is floating about. These guys have not got us in the top 8 and likely contribute to our bad defense. Melbourne big 3 got that title due to a gf and constantly making finals. I don't know I'm getting sick of their manager holding the club ransome on over emotional fan like on here. There still only purchasing potential at this point. The whole Gus tweet over roosters waiting for Moses to mature to poach got swept under the table in terms of Moses reputation. I don't know why these guys stroll around like nrl royalty . Rant over.

You've got a point, in reality we don't really have a " big four, ". More like a big Two, as well as 2 who as yet haven't fully proved themselves.
Brooks has to learn to stand up for himself on the field, and Moses has to show that he can get more consistency in his game before they can class themselves as good first graders, let alone "Stars".
They will probably get there, but there's no gaurantee.

Really think if woods cannot back the club like a aloiai or e Taylor he should give the capacity to someone whom wants to be here.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

 

[hammertime]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

 

[TCL]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

The 3 you mentioned played a lot more that 1.5 games in their first year and had plenty of years in front of them. Ballin hasn't and doesn't.

I'm sure he is a top bloke but value for cap money he hasn't been. I hope he can prove it this year, but I'm just sick of the rubbish attempts to justify him taking cap space. He would have been better value as a coach/trainer than he has been to date.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

Glad you agree, but just one thing.
were those blokes about 32 ,and at the finish of their careers when we bought them, pardon me if I'm wrong, but, I don't think so!!!!

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Given their direction on picking the senior team by the players I'd say woods was picked captain based on player selection.

 

[Masterton]

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

**The 3 you mentioned played a lot more that 1.5 games in their first year** and had plenty of years in front of them. Ballin hasn't and doesn't.

I'm sure he is a top bloke but value for cap money he hasn't been. I hope he can prove it this year, but I'm just sick of the rubbish attempts to justify him taking cap space. He would have been better value as a coach/trainer than he has been to date.

Sorry to be a pedant, but Ted lasted one half.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Given their direction on picking the senior team by the players I'd say woods was picked captain based on player selection.

I assumed he was picked because there was no one else. If ET was at the club when that drama went down i think he would have been appointed.

 

[TCL]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

I get that it may seem like a scum act. But the NRL is a significantly different landscap now. Loyalty is a word only used to justify o e sides stance against an other.

When it's in the players interest they jump ship, the club screams loyalty. When it's in the clubs interest they dump the player and the player screams loyalty.

It's cap management and unfortunately IMO it's only us supporters that get immotinal about players coming and goings.

I'm sure that some players still hold those loyal values but they are less and less.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

**The 3 you mentioned played a lot more that 1.5 games in their first year** and had plenty of years in front of them. Ballin hasn't and doesn't.

I'm sure he is a top bloke but value for cap money he hasn't been. I hope he can prove it this year, but I'm just sick of the rubbish attempts to justify him taking cap space. He would have been better value as a coach/trainer than he has been to date.

Sorry to be a pedant, but Ted lasted one half.

How old was he again?

 

[Masterton]

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

**The 3 you mentioned played a lot more that 1.5 games in their first year** and had plenty of years in front of them. Ballin hasn't and doesn't.

I'm sure he is a top bloke but value for cap money he hasn't been. I hope he can prove it this year, but I'm just sick of the rubbish attempts to justify him taking cap space. He would have been better value as a coach/trainer than he has been to date.

Sorry to be a pedant, but Ted lasted one half.

How old was he again?

I assume you know what "and" means.

Myself, I'll be judging Ballin at the end of this year. Wouldn't be surprised either way.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If Zillman plays in the centres and can be a solid defender, then he's already an upgrade on Kev in the centres.

 

[TCL]

Yep there's been a lot of waffle over Ballin, and very little substance. He might be a good bloke but he's not JC. And certainly not giving any value for his cost.( I don't mean the latest injury is his fault)
His injury problems are unfortunate, but the club must have known he was a risk, yet still bought him, surely we don't need to be taking chances like that again

Yeah, I think we definitely shouldn't be taking chances on injury prone blokes like Scott princes, Benji marshalls or James tedesccos again…. damn idiot management.

**The 3 you mentioned played a lot more that 1.5 games in their first year** and had plenty of years in front of them. Ballin hasn't and doesn't.

I'm sure he is a top bloke but value for cap money he hasn't been. I hope he can prove it this year, but I'm just sick of the rubbish attempts to justify him taking cap space. He would have been better value as a coach/trainer than he has been to date.

Sorry to be a pedant, but Ted lasted one half.

your right :laughing: I thought of that just after I submitted my post, but teddy was just a baby who was coming through our ranks, with his whole career ahead of him. Not recovering from surgery at the back end of his career.

 

[ricksen]

Bizarre interview - JT was clearly driving and thus had his mind elsewhere for the most part (and fair enough too).
But yeah, definitely seems like Simona is done.

 

[Telltails]

I don't want Zillman anywhere near our top 25\. If the club can't manage their cap and want to get rid of Simona that's one thing but taking Zillman off their hands no way. Like Ballin all over again.
I thought things were meant to be getting better with this club.