Jason Taylor Talkin Sport 13/2..

@jadtiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
@diedpretty said:
Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

That is not true no captain should accept possible unders to stay with the club just to set an example.As for Lawrence and Taylor,Lawrence should not be starting (benchie) and Taylor has only been with the club for less than a season.

If we had an outstanding prospect for the 2nd row, I'd start them and have Lawrence on the bench. But we don't. We know what we are going to get with Lawrence. He isn't going to be devastating but he's solid and plays at 100% (until broken). Sue could be devastating in the second row and it looks like that's were he is going to start this yet. In the 9's I saw him put on some nice footwork to score a try. However it's a bit unknown how he'll go. I wouldn't risk a Sue and Aloiai combination because I think with Lawrence we'll get a higher work rate.
 
@jadtiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
@diedpretty said:
Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

That is not true no captain should accept possible unders to stay with the club just to set an example.As for Lawrence and Taylor,Lawrence should not be starting (benchie) **and Taylor has only been with the club for less than a season**.

So? Plenty of players sign with new clubs and take over the captaincy. There is no statute of limitations if you fit the role. Again, i'm not denying he shouldn't get the best deal, but why is he better suited to the role than others players who have made sacrifices and handled their own negotiations to benefit the club?
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@jadtiger said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

That is not true no captain should accept possible unders to stay with the club just to set an example.As for Lawrence and Taylor,Lawrence should not be starting (benchie) **and Taylor has only been with the club for less than a season**.

So? Plenty of players sign with new clubs and take over the captaincy. There is no statute of limitations if you fit the role. Again, i'm not denying he shouldn't get the best deal, but why is he better suited to the role than others players who have made sacrifices and handled their own negotiations to benefit the club?

I would imagine Woods commands the respect of his team mates. Woods has carried the pack while still very young in terms of being a front row forward and no doubt impressed many figures within the club. Woods also has had a very difficult assignment having to deal with JT and also the dramas of last year. Woods' is our sole Kangaroo representative,
 
@happy tiger said:
@Telltails said:
The last captain clearly stated his allegiance to the club and that got him a spot in reserve grade.
Woods was there to watch RF debut in the reserves - have a feeling he will be looking after his own best interest just like the club decided to look after theirs

The only allegiance Robbie Farah has is Robbie Farah

Not that I have an issue with that

DTA = Don't Trust Anybody

Not having a dig, but of course his allegiance is to him self.

We talk about Chris Lawrence taking a pay cut for the club. Chris may have taken a shave but he extended his earning period with us. Chris may have picked up an NRL contract but it would have been less than what he would have got on the open NRL market or he was packing his bags for the UK. It just happened to work out for club and Chris.

RF was different, he worked with previous management and agreed to terms that suited the club and RF at the time and subsequently this management saw the agreement as a problem and RF wanted what was owed. The personality issues have been removed - it would be correct to argue they had an impact on negotiations.

My point is majority of people will look after their own interest first.
 
@innsaneink said:
Oh FFS stop making s*** up paws

Does Woods command the respect of his team mates?
Has he carried the pack?
Is he still young in terms of being a prop?
Has he had a difficult task with JT and last year?
Is he our sole Kangaroo rep?

What is made up? Come on details please!
 
To use a few well used phrases: Perception is reality and mud sticks.

Even if there are not cap issues at the club as touted in the media etc, those two adages apply and players may look to go somewhere else before becoming the next Farah, as cap issues have plagued this club for years now. It is probably a huge reason why we cannot attract big names from elsewhere either.

Players have every right to test their value, their time and therefore earnings in the game are only finite. Clubs have a right to feel cheated when a cultivated junior comes through the ranks and takes off for an extra 100K a year when they've offered a player $1m a year, (but they'll not hesitate to throw that money at another talented young junior from another club.) If both of those statements are true in the one scenario you can posit that no one is necessarily in the wrong there, it's just the nature of the beast.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Geo. said:
@happy tiger said:
@Geo. said:
Buzz words pfffffffffffft…

Just play Footy...

Hurry up and empty your back account for #DimSim

My understanding of the situation is Simona wants to extend his contract and stay at the Wests Tigers but the Club is not prepared to pay overs to retain him beyond 2017…

Would you...?

I would , but I've only got about $9.65 in my bank account :laughing: account

$9.65 Qld = $ 300 000 NSW :righton:

Yeah i didn't expect a meaningful response…All you hear is how badly the Club is run ..how we pay too much for the players we have on our roster ..can't attract any quality players...Now when they go about trying to address these issues ...punters still complain..

Keep your $9.95 and buy your kids some happy meals...
 
Until the NRL pull their finger out and announce what the new salary cap is going to be, I don't blame any player or club for that matter for not putting pen to paper when you don't know how much you have to play with.
Past years we have not had the cash to persue big name players but that is not going to be the case in 2018.
All clubs will have plenty of cattle off contract next year, not just us.
Just hope we have the people in place to ensure we use it to strengthen what we have been building on.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@innsaneink said:
Oh FFS stop making s*** up paws

Does Woods command the respect of his team mates?
Has he carried the pack?
Is he still young in terms of being a prop?
Has he had a difficult task with JT and last year?
Is he our sole Kangaroo rep?

What is made up? Come on details please!

80% correct Paws.

The other 20% - "Has he had a difficult task with JT" is made up in my opinion.

Could you please cut and paste where he said that he has had a difficult task with JT - I must have missed the Woods quote on this.
 
@Russell said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
@innsaneink said:
Oh FFS stop making s*** up paws

Does Woods command the respect of his team mates?
Has he carried the pack?
Is he still young in terms of being a prop?
Has he had a difficult task with JT and last year?
Is he our sole Kangaroo rep?

What is made up? Come on details please!

80% correct Paws.

The other 20% - "Has he had a difficult task with JT" is made up in my opinion.

Could you please cut and paste where he said that he has had a difficult task with JT - I must have missed the Woods quote on this.

I wrote "Woods also has had a very difficult assignment having to deal with JT ". Where did I write that Woods had said this? I agree this is made up but this has clearly been invented by you but I am unable to comment on your motivation for doing so. No wonder you "missed the Woods quote" unquote.

JT's handling of the RF issue was unprofessional (at best). This no doubt placed Woods in a very difficult situation as captain and a human being with feelings for RF. This is what I was referring to,
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
@diedpretty said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

GNR, are you aware Woods turned down a larger offer from the Eagles to stay at WTs the last time he signed with us? That is a display of loyalty.
 
Another interview on BSB with Taylor this morning..

http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/122/j9ouOu.mp3

Wing the major spot up for grabs Round 1…

Excellent insight into Sports Science and Training loads..
 
@Geo. said:
Another interview on BSB with Taylor this morning..

http://media.skyracing.com.au/POD/122/j9ouOu.mp3

Wing the major spot up for grabs Round 1…

Excellent insight into Sports Science and Training loads..

Thanks - much better interview.
Irks me that we're in a situation where a gambling company rep (i.e. Glen Munsie) is able to ask an NRL coach questions and no one blinks an eye.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
@diedpretty said:
Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

GNR, are you aware Woods turned down a larger offer from the Eagles to stay at WTs the last time he signed with us? That is a display of loyalty.

It's not unheard of Paws. Most players will stay if a larger offer comes along that isn't commensurate with uprooting and starting again at a new club.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@sideline eye said:
@diedpretty said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

Do you think he'd get the best deal for himself if he rushed into the office all keen to sign straight away? Apart from that, nobody here knows whether or not there is anything to sign as yet. Oh well, sack him as captain then; I bet he's glad some of you aren't his manager!
 
Woods comes across as the type to not over-think contracts… He has probably already signed and the club is waiting for the lead up to Round 1 to sell us the cliche "Aaron has Committed, Have You?" in the last of the pre-season membership drives!
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@innsaneink said:
Oh FFS stop making s*** up paws

Does Woods command the respect of his team mates?
Has he carried the pack?
Is he still young in terms of being a prop?
Has he had a difficult task with JT and last year?
Is he our sole Kangaroo rep?

What is made up? Come on details please!

\

Woods also has had a very difficult assignment **having to deal with JT** and also _the dramas of last year._ >

Come on…details please
 
@innsaneink said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
@innsaneink said:
Oh FFS stop making s*** up paws

Does Woods command the respect of his team mates?
Has he carried the pack?
Is he still young in terms of being a prop?
Has he had a difficult task with JT and last year?
Is he our sole Kangaroo rep?

What is made up? Come on details please!

\

Woods also has had a very difficult assignment **having to deal with JT** and also _the dramas of last year._ >

Come on…details please

Did you read my other posting?
 
@Geo. said:
@happy tiger said:
@Geo. said:
@happy tiger said:
Hurry up and empty your back account for #DimSim

My understanding of the situation is Simona wants to extend his contract and stay at the Wests Tigers but the Club is not prepared to pay overs to retain him beyond 2017…

Would you...?

I would , but I've only got about $9.65 in my bank account :laughing: account

$9.65 Qld = $ 300 000 NSW :righton:

Yeah i didn't expect a meaningful response…All you hear is how badly the Club is run ..how we pay too much for the players we have on our roster ..can't attract any quality players...Now when they go about trying to address these issues ...punters still complain..

Keep your $9.95 and buy your kids some happy meals...

Thanks Sherlock

I don't have an issue really , the club has to move on to bigger and better things

I think when Simona isn't here people will see how ineffective he really is most of the time
 

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