Jason Taylor Talkin Sport 13/2..

[Harvey]

Absolutely. I think heads should roll if we lose more than one of them. Personally, i think Woods is a lay down to stay. I honestly can't see him leaving. And i have a feeling Brooks will stay, if for no other reason he has zero offers elsewhere and stays on reduced money. Tedesco and Moses are the ones to worry about. Tedesco has talked a big game about how much he wants to stay, but talk is cheap. As for Mr "leave it to my manager" Moses, he's hardly said anything encouraging regarding his intentions. I feel like he's 50/50.

Excluding tedesco does anyone else think everyone might be over emotional in retaining the "big 4" the fact this title is floating about. These guys have not got us in the top 8 and likely contribute to our bad defense. Melbourne big 3 got that title due to a gf and constantly making finals. I don't know I'm getting sick of their manager holding the club ransome on over emotional fan like on here. There still only purchasing potential at this point. The whole Gus tweet over roosters waiting for Moses to mature to poach got swept under the table in terms of Moses reputation. I don't know why these guys stroll around like nrl royalty . Rant over.

Just curious with this hypothetical..
If Moses signed / signs with the roosters for 2018, what would everyone's opinion be if we managed to entice Mitchell Peace here as a replacement.
Probably the same money I'd say.
Would it be a trade up or not?

Go after Te Maire Martin if Moses leaves.

We would more likely get Tyrone Roberts or Jeff Robson on 800k per season

 

[jirskyr]

Have you heard of the Roosters?
They somehow manage to have current or former Test and Origin players or Internationals in Friend, Pearce, JWH, Guerra, Tupou, Ferguson, Evans, Napa. Throw in a few of the game's most promising youngsters in Mitchell and Keary (who would both be on pretty big money), another couple of in-demand youngsters in Connor Watson and Matterson. Yet they are still supposedly under the cap. How can that be?
Check their roster compared to ours, yet we are the ones having to offload players to get under the cap.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that any elite player from another club who becomes available will be on the Roosters shopping list.
We might have finished above them last season due to injuries and Mitch Pearce doing the funky cold Medina on Australia Day but can anyone honestly say we will have a more successful season than them this year? No chance.

Evans? Napa? Are we including Fiji and Cook Islands as rep-level flags now? Tigers got a few of those: Simona, Sue, Nofoaluma, Naiqama, Marsters.

Don't get me wrong, Roosters do very well for themselves when it comes to courting and recruiting players. But even then, even with Uncle Nick and TPAs they can't totally corner the market.

They had to let Maloney go and he went on to win a premiership. They lost Jennings and RTS in 2015\. Sonny-Bill in 2014.

In the last 10 seasons Roosters have made the finals 50% of the time, collected 1 premiership but also 1 wooden spoon, and 15th last year. They do well at times, but it is cyclical even for a team like them with all the power-brokers they have.

Why can't Tigers do better than Roosters in 2017? Why does a team that came 15th last year suddenly rocket up in 2018 estimations? You would say better roster I am guessing, but part of the problem of being a fan is being sometimes too positive or too negative about your own side, or both in the course of a year.

 

[Chainlink]

Interviewer at then end suggests our pack is weaker this year than last??? Um what? I can only assume he is referring to losing halatau and siro? What rubbish.

 

[Geo]

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Hurry up and empty your back account for #DimSim

My understanding of the situation is Simona wants to extend his contract and stay at the Wests Tigers but the Club is not prepared to pay overs to retain him beyond 2017…

Would you...?

 

[TCL]

Interviewer at then end suggests our pack is weaker this year than last??? Um what? I can only assume he is referring to losing halatau and siro? What rubbish.

It could also mean that teams that had a worse pack than us last year have improved or recruited well and we have gone backwards.

 

[diedpretty]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

 

[ricksen]

No worse off than the Raiders, Knights , Panthers etc.. i totally understand the corrupt system but while us supporters follow them the TV figures alone will ensure we are always around

We are plenty worse off than the Raiders and Panthers mate. They have stacked rosters and no doubt still have plenty of spare moolah to throw at any other top-shelf players that come onto the market, ours included.

The Raiders and Panthers will be having to upgrade a lot of contracts in the next 18 months

Let's see what happens then

Totally agree. Any club at all with a "stacked" roster will feel salary cap pressure quick smart.

Penrith have a couple of young blokes who did well last year, but they are going to have issues like Tigers when the contracts are back up for renewal in 1-2 seasons. Whether or not those kids continue to play well or drop form, there will be headaches because they then have to make decisions about long-term potential.

People just don't seem to get it, nobody can stack a side with marquee players in the modern game. Even with TPAs, it's just not realistic to be able to hold off the other clubs every time when another young talent comes up for his contract renewal.

So either you get a few very expensive players and surround them with cheap options, or you spread the cash out across all positions, and hope it clicks.

Of course it's tough - no one has said any different, and no one expects a fleet of marquee players.
Canberra came second last year, and Penrith 5th. Both were a game (or two) away from the GF. Some of their young players will improve and warrant more $$ in future years, others will regress and they'll probably be let go.
Penrith have already extended Moylan and Cartwright for example.

We haven't made the finals since 2011 (have only come close once) and yet we seemingly still have more issues than anyone with our cap management.

 

[diedpretty]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

I get that it may seem like a scum act. But the NRL is a significantly different landscap now. Loyalty is a word only used to justify o e sides stance against an other.

When it's in the players interest they jump ship, the club screams loyalty. When it's in the clubs interest they dump the player and the player screams loyalty.

It's cap management and unfortunately IMO it's only us supporters that get immotinal about players coming and goings.

I'm sure that some players still hold those loyal values but they are less and less.

I'm not suggesting its a scum act just an act by a scum club that frequents the northern beaches - as much as i hate them you have to applaud their audacity in bending the rules to suit their needs.

 

[TCL]

One thing i am sick of hearing is how good ballin has been for the club. Sure he may be behind the scenes but he hasn't been for the job he was hired to do - play football.

He has played 1.5 games. Why are we not trying to get him off our books and keep Simona.

Cant we move him on like Botox Whatnow and hire him as a player mentor or something.

thats bad cap management!

Yea have to agree - why can't we be like that scum across the harbour bridge and just retire guys on medical grounds and keep the cap space. Either we are just dumb or too morally righteous to play dirty like the big boys.

I get that it may seem like a scum act. But the NRL is a significantly different landscap now. Loyalty is a word only used to justify o e sides stance against an other.

When it's in the players interest they jump ship, the club screams loyalty. When it's in the clubs interest they dump the player and the player screams loyalty.

It's cap management and unfortunately IMO it's only us supporters that get immotinal about players coming and goings.

I'm sure that some players still hold those loyal values but they are less and less.

I'm not suggesting its a scum act just an act by a scum club that frequents the northern beaches - as much as i hate them you have to applaud their audacity in bending the rules to suit their needs.

Oh ok. True, but it looks like they may have hit a hurdle with their Stewart plans.

 

[jirskyr]

We are plenty worse off than the Raiders and Panthers mate. They have stacked rosters and no doubt still have plenty of spare moolah to throw at any other top-shelf players that come onto the market, ours included.

The Raiders and Panthers will be having to upgrade a lot of contracts in the next 18 months

Let's see what happens then

Totally agree. Any club at all with a "stacked" roster will feel salary cap pressure quick smart.

Penrith have a couple of young blokes who did well last year, but they are going to have issues like Tigers when the contracts are back up for renewal in 1-2 seasons. Whether or not those kids continue to play well or drop form, there will be headaches because they then have to make decisions about long-term potential.

People just don't seem to get it, nobody can stack a side with marquee players in the modern game. Even with TPAs, it's just not realistic to be able to hold off the other clubs every time when another young talent comes up for his contract renewal.

So either you get a few very expensive players and surround them with cheap options, or you spread the cash out across all positions, and hope it clicks.

Of course it's tough - no one has said any different, and no one expects a fleet of marquee players.
Canberra came second last year, and Penrith 5th. Both were a game (or two) away from the GF. Some of their young players will improve and warrant more $$ in future years, others will regress and they'll probably be let go.
Penrith have already extended Moylan and Cartwright for example.

We haven't made the finals since 2011 (have only come close once) and yet we seemingly still have more issues than anyone with our cap management.

Just for some perspective, regarding "issues with salary cap":

2006 - Raiders fined $173K after exceeding salary cap, plus 7 other clubs fined for minor breaches: Melbourne ($63,250), St George Illawarra ($62,400), Brisbane ($30,000), South Sydney ($28,600), Wests Tigers ($21,250), Newcastle ($19,250), and Cronulla ($5,000).

2007 - 6 clubs fined for minor breaches: South Sydney ($70,150), Wests Tigers ($46,800), Canberra ($45,800), Canterbury ($25,000), Melbourne ($13,900) and Brisbane ($10,000).

2008 - 5 clubs fined for minor breaches: St George Illawarra ($15,200), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,450), Canterbury ($4,650) and Wests Tigers ($3,650).

2009 - 7 clubs fined for minor breaches: Melbourne ($15,000), Brisbane ($5,000), Canterbury ($3,750), and the Wests Tigers, Penrith, Sydney and the Gold Coast ($2,500 each).

2010 - Storm stripped of premierships, prize money and fined for systematic rorts. 5 clubs fined for minor breaches: Parramatta ($25,000), St George Illawarra ($22,500), Brisbane ($17,000), Sydney ($7,250) and Canberra ($1,800).

2011 - Tigers fined $187,150 for exceeding in 2010 but no points deducted. Other minor fines: Gold Coast Titans ($78,900), Parramatta Eels ($45,000), Canberra Raiders ($31,650), and the St George Illawarra Dragons ($15,700)

2012 - four clubs fined for minor breaches: Parramatta Eels ($80,350), Gold Coast Titans ($41,200), Penrith Panthers ($39,650) and the Canberra Raiders ($5,350).

2014 - Titans fined AU$300,000 after an investigation into several clubs.

2015 - Parramatta were fined a total of $465,000 for breaching the salary cap in the 2014 season.

We've been fined 5 times in the last 11 seasons. So have Raiders and Titans. Storm and Broncos 4 times; Dragons, Souths, Dogs, Panthers, Eels 3 times. Storm and Eels had systematic rorting. 13/16 clubs have been fined at some time in the last 11 years, only Manly, Cowboys and Warriors are cleanskins during this period.

 

[TCL]

The Raiders and Panthers will be having to upgrade a lot of contracts in the next 18 months

Let's see what happens then

Totally agree. Any club at all with a "stacked" roster will feel salary cap pressure quick smart.

Penrith have a couple of young blokes who did well last year, but they are going to have issues like Tigers when the contracts are back up for renewal in 1-2 seasons. Whether or not those kids continue to play well or drop form, there will be headaches because they then have to make decisions about long-term potential.

People just don't seem to get it, nobody can stack a side with marquee players in the modern game. Even with TPAs, it's just not realistic to be able to hold off the other clubs every time when another young talent comes up for his contract renewal.

So either you get a few very expensive players and surround them with cheap options, or you spread the cash out across all positions, and hope it clicks.

Of course it's tough - no one has said any different, and no one expects a fleet of marquee players.
Canberra came second last year, and Penrith 5th. Both were a game (or two) away from the GF. Some of their young players will improve and warrant more $$ in future years, others will regress and they'll probably be let go.
Penrith have already extended Moylan and Cartwright for example.

We haven't made the finals since 2011 (have only come close once) and yet we seemingly still have more issues than anyone with our cap management.

Just for some perspective, regarding "issues with salary cap":

2006 - Raiders fined $173K after exceeding salary cap, plus 7 other clubs fined for minor breaches: Melbourne ($63,250), St George Illawarra ($62,400), Brisbane ($30,000), South Sydney ($28,600), Wests Tigers ($21,250), Newcastle ($19,250), and Cronulla ($5,000).

2007 - 6 clubs fined for minor breaches: South Sydney ($70,150), Wests Tigers ($46,800), Canberra ($45,800), Canterbury ($25,000), Melbourne ($13,900) and Brisbane ($10,000).

2008 - 5 clubs fined for minor breaches: St George Illawarra ($15,200), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,450), Canterbury ($4,650) and Wests Tigers ($3,650).

2009 - 7 clubs fined for minor breaches: Melbourne ($15,000), Brisbane ($5,000), Canterbury ($3,750), and the Wests Tigers, Penrith, Sydney and the Gold Coast ($2,500 each).

2010 - Storm stripped of premierships, prize money and fined for systematic rorts. 5 clubs fined for minor breaches: Parramatta ($25,000), St George Illawarra ($22,500), Brisbane ($17,000), Sydney ($7,250) and Canberra ($1,800).

2011 - Tigers fined $187,150 for exceeding in 2010 but no points deducted. Other minor fines: Gold Coast Titans ($78,900), Parramatta Eels ($45,000), Canberra Raiders ($31,650), and the St George Illawarra Dragons ($15,700)

2012 - four clubs fined for minor breaches: Parramatta Eels ($80,350), Gold Coast Titans ($41,200), Penrith Panthers ($39,650) and the Canberra Raiders ($5,350).

2014 - Titans fined AU$300,000 after an investigation into several clubs.

2015 - Parramatta were fined a total of $465,000 for breaching the salary cap in the 2014 season.

We've been fined 5 times in the last 11 seasons. So have Raiders and Titans. Storm and Broncos 4 times; Dragons, Souths, Dogs, Panthers, Eels 3 times. Storm and Eels had systematic rorting. 13/16 clubs have been fined at some time in the last 11 years, only Manly, Cowboys and Warriors are cleanskins during this period.

So does that mean that Manly, cowboys and Warriors are good at managing the cap or they just haven't been caught yet? :smiley:

 

[patwalker]

So does that mean that Manly, cowboys and Warriors are good at managing the cap or they just haven't been caught yet? :smiley:
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Isn't it the same thing these days?!?

 

[sideline_eye]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

 

[ricksen]

By 'struggling with our cap' I don't mean falling afoul of the rules, I mean being hamstrung by bad contracts.
We heard in mid 2015 that our cap situation was making our board 'freak out' on a weekly basis (their words, not mine). Nearly two years later and we're still (reportedly) trying to rid ourselves of bad contracts.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

 

[Telltails]

The last captain clearly stated his allegiance to the club and that got him a spot in reserve grade.
Woods was there to watch RF debut in the reserves - have a feeling he will be looking after his own best interest just like the club decided to look after theirs

 

[happy_tiger]

Buzz words pfffffffffffft…

Just play Footy...

Hurry up and empty your back account for #DimSim

My understanding of the situation is Simona wants to extend his contract and stay at the Wests Tigers but the Club is not prepared to pay overs to retain him beyond 2017…

Would you...?

I would , but I've only got about $9.65 in my bank account :laughing: account

$9.65 Qld = $ 300 000 NSW :righton:

 

[happy_tiger]

The last captain clearly stated his allegiance to the club and that got him a spot in reserve grade.
Woods was there to watch RF debut in the reserves - have a feeling he will be looking after his own best interest just like the club decided to look after theirs

The only allegiance Robbie Farah has is Robbie Farah

Not that I have an issue with that

DTA = Don't Trust Anybody

 

[jadtiger]

I think Woods will stay, but the fact he's remained silent throughout this is saga is disappointing and further proves to me he doesn't have the personality to be captain. Look at the actions of a couple other senior players at our club recently. First Chris Lawrence re-negotiates his contract to help the club out, then ET gets so sick of his manager stalling his contract negotiatons that he takes over and negotiates the deal himself. As captain he should be setting the example by signing first, then talking the club up afterwards. If he can't do that, why is he captain?

Thats a good point GNR - the club has shown that they want him as the long term captain and leader. You would think this would be backed up with a decent offer - if he is holding out to check his market value then he is hardly captain or club leader material.

What are you blokes on about? This is his living and he has every right to negotiate the best deal possible, captain or not. After all an NRL player's career can come to a sudden and permanent halt at any minute of the eighty he plays in every week, or at least those minutes that he's on the field.

Now, he's not captain material because he hasn't rushed into a deal a year before he needs to, just to settle the nerves of anxious supporters? Give me a break, I've heard everything now.

No one is arguing he isn't entitled to the best deal he can get, but as captain he has a responsibility to back the club and lead by example by re-signing. If he doesn't want to do that and instead would rather look out for himself, that's fine, but he should relinquish the captaincy because that isn't the mark of a leader. Why then should he be captain ahead of the players and the examples they set that i mentioned in my previous post.

That is not true no captain should accept possible unders to stay with the club just to set an example.As for Lawrence and Taylor,Lawrence should not be starting (benchie) and Taylor has only been with the club for less than a season.

 

[Telltails]

Enough has happened at this club in the last few years to suggest that both club and players will look after their own best interest. To expect that either should act otherwise in light of the ongoing explanation we are given for our current salary cap problems, would suggest that neither has learned anything from the fallout of previous player and administration negotiations