happy_tiger
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@Fade To Black said:
The Raiders and Panthers will be having to upgrade a lot of contracts in the next 18 months
Let's see what happens then
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The Raiders and Panthers will be having to upgrade a lot of contracts in the next 18 months
Let's see what happens then
bonstonker
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@innsaneink said:
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hammertime
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@Tiger Come Lately said:
And offered a hell of a lot more straight up money vs being subsidised. Whats the bigger risk? Balin is out and we can still field a team.
I'm not saying that either is wrong or right. But banging on post fact of ballins injury easy.. It was a punt, a cheap one where he can still bring us a great cultural shift when he is off the field.
… And I personally think we desperately needed a cultural shift. Angry Robbie was getting us no where.
@hammertime said:
Don't disagree with what your saying about the culture shift etc. also not saying that the RF And JT issue wasn't toxic, but I'm not sure how much the culture has changed? How do we measure culture change, every year the players say, "we are tight, we love each other, we love the coach etc etc…
Maybe the culture shift will pay dividends down the track but at the moment, not sure what value change has gained us. We still had more headlines than some other clubs, Buckets, Lovett, trying to offload a valued player, no signing news on the 4, ordinary effort at the 9's?
Still love the Tigers :sign:
innsaneink
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@bonstonker said:
Thanks Bon…that did the trick!
Tim Sheens
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@Tiger Come Lately said:
The elephant in the room (club) has long been the culture, the foundation has been stabilised and the rest of the improvement can now progress. I have never heard so many players gushing over just how good and happy this place of work is, and that is a great thing when it falls way short in other areas.
There was probably little difference in the amount each of our older nines received from WT per game played last season, which was most likely around $100k per match.
jirskyr
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@happy tiger said:
Totally agree. Any club at all with a "stacked" roster will feel salary cap pressure quick smart.
Penrith have a couple of young blokes who did well last year, but they are going to have issues like Tigers when the contracts are back up for renewal in 1-2 seasons. Whether or not those kids continue to play well or drop form, there will be headaches because they then have to make decisions about long-term potential.
People just don't seem to get it, nobody can stack a side with marquee players in the modern game. Even with TPAs, it's just not realistic to be able to hold off the other clubs every time when another young talent comes up for his contract renewal.
So either you get a few very expensive players and surround them with cheap options, or you spread the cash out across all positions, and hope it clicks.
When have out players ever not been happy?? All I have ever heard is that they needed to be broken up because it's a " boys club" etc In my opinion the players have taken the crap from lousy management for too long
If they had had the structures in place, facilities
support and quality coaches plus an administration that' could properly manage the cap we have a supporter base that should make us as strong as any Sydney based club.
Our players that we have offloaded have all mostly performed in other clubs and more so have been
valued.
The problem with our club and still it continues is the decision makers inability to manage a salary cap to field a competitive side. We use to keep the players we wanted because of loyalty between club and player however, there seems to a shift in that mentality of late.
The culture change arguement is a cop out for the decision makers who continually disappoint at this club. We lack depth to compete week in week out with teams that perform well.
We don't need culture change we need switched on management and quality coaches
If they had had the structures in place, facilities
support and quality coaches plus an administration that' could properly manage the cap we have a supporter base that should make us as strong as any Sydney based club.
Our players that we have offloaded have all mostly performed in other clubs and more so have been
valued.
The problem with our club and still it continues is the decision makers inability to manage a salary cap to field a competitive side. We use to keep the players we wanted because of loyalty between club and player however, there seems to a shift in that mentality of late.
The culture change arguement is a cop out for the decision makers who continually disappoint at this club. We lack depth to compete week in week out with teams that perform well.
We don't need culture change we need switched on management and quality coaches
Where is the culture shift? Removing one player creates a culture shift!
The problem has nothing to do with culture - it's always been poor management and leadership and below par coaching facilities
Our players have always been happy (prior to JT
coming that is )recently we have just never had enough good ones to remain competitive week in week out.
Fortunately for us the good ones that we have had
have mostly remained loyal to the club -however recent decisions made by the club may see a shift in
that relationship.
If you think culture change will bring better results against better squads you are on a hiding to nowhere.
Instead of weakening our squad we need to
strengthen it and then we will have success. We keep
getting promised that next year things will be better
and yet we have not been able to secure one quality
player that we have gone after since Adam Blair - other than those not wanted by their clubs and or ones tha
need a new start.
We don't benefit from swapping Simona for Zilman just like we didn't benefit from letting Tapau go and getting Ballin We let two hookers go and got McIllrick
Honestly it is hard to keep the faith - the sooner the
season starts the better at least it will confirm where
we are really at.
The problem has nothing to do with culture - it's always been poor management and leadership and below par coaching facilities
Our players have always been happy (prior to JT
coming that is )recently we have just never had enough good ones to remain competitive week in week out.
Fortunately for us the good ones that we have had
have mostly remained loyal to the club -however recent decisions made by the club may see a shift in
that relationship.
If you think culture change will bring better results against better squads you are on a hiding to nowhere.
Instead of weakening our squad we need to
strengthen it and then we will have success. We keep
getting promised that next year things will be better
and yet we have not been able to secure one quality
player that we have gone after since Adam Blair - other than those not wanted by their clubs and or ones tha
need a new start.
We don't benefit from swapping Simona for Zilman just like we didn't benefit from letting Tapau go and getting Ballin We let two hookers go and got McIllrick
Honestly it is hard to keep the faith - the sooner the
season starts the better at least it will confirm where
we are really at.
cqtiger
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Where's the culture shift? Really?
You think moving one player is what our culture is all about?
I think a lot of people know how to spell words but have no idea what they mean.
You think moving one player is what our culture is all about?
I think a lot of people know how to spell words but have no idea what they mean.
happy_tiger
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@cqtiger said:
We have a culture CQ
Just not one I'd be proud of
Buzz words pfffffffffffft…
Just play Footy...
Just play Footy...
happy_tiger
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@Geo. said:
Hurry up and empty your back account for #DimSim
happy_tiger
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@cktiger said:
Well he has brought in Grant ,Aloiai and ET
Just saying
innsaneink
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They've all been pretty good recruitments imo
Fade_To_Black
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@jirskyr said:
Have you heard of the Roosters?
They somehow manage to have current or former Test and Origin players or Internationals in Friend, Pearce, JWH, Guerra, Tupou, Ferguson, Evans, Napa. Throw in a few of the game's most promising youngsters in Mitchell and Keary (who would both be on pretty big money), another couple of in-demand youngsters in Connor Watson and Matterson. Yet they are still supposedly under the cap. How can that be?
Check their roster compared to ours, yet we are the ones having to offload players to get under the cap.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that any elite player from another club who becomes available will be on the Roosters shopping list.
We might have finished above them last season due to injuries and Mitch Pearce doing the funky cold Medina on Australia Day but can anyone honestly say we will have a more successful season than them this year? No chance.
Yeah - we didnt get to much frim JT but then wheat do expect with these sorts of interviews
Apart from the 2005 GF success, we are a struggle street club. This is the first time in a very long we have been on the cusp of something better….
We dont have endless resources. and we have to pay overs to recruit and retain
I still believe We got a half decent coach with the kahoones to try something different and challenge / Change the culture of the last few years.
I would like to see JTs contract extended 1 more year.
Apart from the 2005 GF success, we are a struggle street club. This is the first time in a very long we have been on the cusp of something better….
We dont have endless resources. and we have to pay overs to recruit and retain
I still believe We got a half decent coach with the kahoones to try something different and challenge / Change the culture of the last few years.
I would like to see JTs contract extended 1 more year.
goldcoast_tiger
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@Tiger Come Lately said:
"Culture "is just a ponytailed advertising executives buzz word.
Clubs that are winning usually have a great "culture" because they are winners. And clubs that are perennial losers usually have a crap "culture", because they're not winners.
There's no magic recipe for "culture".
It's the biggest waffle word that sport clubs have ever had.
Nothing's changed at this club and is unlikely to , unless we start to push the top clubs on a regular basis.
And until we stop buying older crock players and keeping players like some that have a charmed life at WTs.
Ballin may be really nice to little old ladies and children and puppies, but he was bought as a Rugby League player, after his own club didn't want to keep him.
For a club with supposed cap problems, we waste money in very strange ways
Never mind we've got better "Culcha" now.
Next we'll probably be chasing a 30 yo crock centre to replace a better, younger(much) faster centre/winger….....noooo wouldn't happen...would it????
