Jason Taylor ...THREAD...

[Doc_Tiger]

I'm not sure Toovey was respected or taken seriously by the refs.

He was a whinger as a Player and a coach

The squeeky wheel gets the most oil. Right now, we get nothing and it'll stay that way

We haven't even got a wheel.

Thats my point. Toovey makes it known when his teams are getting boned. Costs a bit, but without making noises nothing is ever going to change. Lests get some back bone. Or maybe we should be the Wests Aurelia Aurita (Common non- stinging jelly fish) instead of Wests Tigers. Some bite would be nice to get back.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Im sure he will deliver tonight
He will put his head down at half time but this time flick it back like Beiber for the cameras

 

[supercoach]

I'm not sure Toovey was respected or taken seriously by the refs.

He was a whinger as a Player and a coach

The squeeky wheel gets the most oil. Right now, we get nothing and it'll stay that way

We haven't even got a wheel.

Thats my point. Toovey makes it known when his teams are getting boned. Costs a bit, but without making noises nothing is ever going to change. Lests get some back bone. Or maybe we should be the Wests Aurelia Aurita (Common non- stinging jelly fish) instead of Wests Tigers. Some bite would be nice to get back.

A bit of highly visible passion or disgust goes along way, Toovey,Hasler and Bellyache are masters at it. The only trouble I am starting to think with us it all gets down to ability, the old story, some dogs you can not teach tricks no matter how hard you try

 

[boonboon]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

 

[TYGA]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

If we can improve the coach or the roster I am all for it. I don't see Payten as an improvement though Cleary definitely, Toovey I am not so sure he is the answer.

 

[tsjonathan]

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[GNR4LIFE]

The guy is tough as nails. I really think he couldn't care less about the crap he cops. He did great this week, given the pressure he was under. It's a shame many of his critics are too proud to admit it.

 

[innsaneink]

The guy is tough as nails. I really think he couldn't care less about the crap he cops. He did great this week, given the pressure he was under. It's a shame many of his critics are too proud to admit it.

That's what I meant in the Tigers team v souths; 1 change thread.
If he and the team can get through all this and come out the either side being where they all need and want to be, it will be one hell of an apprenticeship and we might be on a winner.
Wether he gets that chance is another story… Everyone wants success now

 

[supercoach]

Taylor has not backed away from the fight, but really what else could he do. He knows this is probably he last chance at a NRL gig so if he goes down it will be fighting.

I still maintain it is more about roster than coach, okay we are all upbeat at present but there will be another bad streak before the year ends and realistically we still will probably finish bottom three. All I hope is that he picks the best 17 week in and week out

 

[Tim Sheens]

It was great to see him smile in the box when we forced the ball dead with a minute to go. It was a gutsy effort on and off the paddock this week.

 

[stevetiger]

The guy is tough as nails. I really think he couldn't care less about the crap he cops. He did great this week, given the pressure he was under. It's a shame many of his critics are too proud to admit it.

He did well this week. I want him to do well. I also think that he has some ability. At the same time he has been a terrible coach for us so far.

I still want him gone at this point. Way too many mistakes with so few wins.

 

[Mccarry]

The guy is tough as nails. I really think he couldn't care less about the crap he cops. He did great this week, given the pressure he was under. It's a shame many of his critics are too proud to admit it.

Well said. I have been avoiding the forum lately. So much anger and negativity.

As fans we are struggling to see that our club needs to take pain. Pain of sticking with the team until they learn to grind. Taylor has been on a learning curb sure, but he knows the root cause of our clubs failures. We don't have the grit and mindset that's required.

He has relentlessly focused on defence. He has focused on playing a controlled game. Let's face it, we all wanted him to let the players loose (me included). Look where that got us. Exactly where he said- too inconsistent. Good teams read us and then we had nowhere to go. He was right. We need to toughen up. Players have hopefully now learnt that the hard way.

You will say, show me the defensive improvement. The missing piece is still our players think hey know better than him. Our players still haven't bought into his harder line. Until they do our mindsets won't change. Defence is a mindset. A mindset that defending is glory. Defending is pride. Defending is better than gambling a way to a win.

Okay I agree some selections are terrible. One centre particularly, that said I wouldn't put it past our club that the sponsor rumour is true.

Rankin is doing the job and gives us so much flexibility over time as a utility. He will know our plays and can play key positions. Yes it hurts. Yes we don't get to gamble with blooding a green forum favourite… Instead we get the pain of building depth. Oh the outcries.

He can't drop Brooks. He needs to persist. Fans just need to be more patient.

For all the mess, he cleaned up a number of players that needed to go. We haven't signed existing players on huge money, even though it makes his job harder. Letting Taupau go was most likely on good for Taylor's successor. But it was the hard long term call that needed to be made.

He has played players that build culture even if their skill isn't adequate. Admittedly some of those calls are hurting us now. Some of them will pay dividends later due to their influence on the characters of our young guys. Dene is a class guy. Any of us would want our young blokes spending time with him.

Taylor is making the tough long term calls. Some haven't come off (Farah). Some are a work in progress (Grit / defence). All in all by asking for the coach to be changed we are basically back to the casino playing roulette. There is not an elite coach out there to sign.

I vote that he sees the year out, rain hail or shine. I am going stop being such a sook. I'm going to stop whatsapping my mates about all the changes needed. I am going to remember that this is what happened at the Roosters before they came good.

Grow Jason, grow. You have 2/3 of a season left. Be the best version of yourself. Listen to those around you. Coach your team as individuals, yet demand they live a collective culture of tough, never give in mates who put their body on the line for our jersey.

 

[ricksen]

Well said. I have been avoiding the forum lately. So much anger and negativity.

As fans we are struggling to see that our club needs to take pain. Pain of sticking with the team until they learn to grind. Taylor has been on a learning curb sure, but he knows the root cause of our clubs failures. We don't have the grit and mindset that's required.

He has relentlessly focused on defence. He has focused on playing a controlled game. Let's face it, we all wanted him to let the players loose (me included). Look where that got us. Exactly where he said- too inconsistent. Good teams read us and then we had nowhere to go. He was right. We need to toughen up. Players have hopefully now learnt that the hard way.

You will say, show me the defensive improvement. The missing piece is still our players think hey know better than him. Our players still haven't bought into his harder line. Until they do our mindsets won't change. Defence is a mindset. A mindset that defending is glory. Defending is pride. Defending is better than gambling a way to a win.

I couldn't agree more with the first few paragraphs - everything JT has been saying is 110% correct, and the sure fire way to improve our chances of moving up the table.
But yeah, I do want to see improvement and I'm not seeing it. JT has been here since November 2014, and the team is supposedly all behind him and his methods. If he can't get it across to them in that time, will it ever happen? I have my doubts.
The attacking stuff doesn't really bother me.

I am going to remember that this is what happened at the Roosters before they came good.

Sadly I doubt we'll ever be able to wield the TPA power that'll allow us to sign 4 rep players in a single off-season - that what's happened before the Roosters came good.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

B2
, the opinions of quite a lot of people here about Taylor , weren't formed ( in most cases) over one game, they were formed over the time that he has been coaching here., And formed by his attitude, Coaching, his refusal to drop favourites, and his constant denial that we were in the sewer,bad game plans, plus his pigheadedness in not seeing the fact , that no matter how he wanted to KickFarah out, it legally , could not happen.
He wasted months on this , and had no chance of it ending any other way than the way that it did,
He's continued this year in the same way, as far as selections are concerned, and his failure to be able to Change the problems that the team has always had
Right up to game time this week , a hell of a lot of people wanted the team changed,
It was, but mainly because of injury.
While I would, congratulate the team mostly , and also Taylorfor for the effort on Thursday night, but, just as my attitude about Taylor wasn't formed during one Game,
I won't be changing it over One Game either. !!!!!
While WTs played better for most of the game , our forwards ran and defended better than they have in one and a half seasons. The overwhelming majority from the Rugby League, socalled experts , were united in admitting that Souths were terrible, in fact I didn't hear one opinion to the contrary !!!!
They were.
But that didn't mean that our team didn't play bloody well.
Whether JT had much to do with the change in the team this week is something that we dont know, or , whether it was a big effort by the players themselves, along with the new blokes, to regain some pride in themselves, my guess, ( and it could be wrong,). is that that is more likely what it was. I doubt that JT was in the front of everybodys minds when they ran out. It hasn't been before, so why would that change.

As far as myself , and probably others, are concerned, the ball is in Taylors court.
Is this a one off event , as has been the case at times in the past with WTs ?
Or have the team and Taylor turned the corner And is there going to be some improvement in the near future?
Has Taylor suddenly became our saviour over 80 minutes.
I'd father congratulate him and them for a long coming win, and wait to see whether there is some improvement.
Jumping on the saviour bandwagon after one win only papers over the cracks.
Let's see how the next 6 games go and if there's evidence that Taylors had a positive effect on the team, I'd be happy to change my mind about him. Until then I'm keeping an open mind on it.
Remember it comes after 6 straight losses, let's see how the next 6 goes.

 

[TrueTiger]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

B2
, the opinions of quite a lot of people here about Taylor , weren't formed ( in most cases) over one game, they were formed over the time that he has been coaching here., And formed by his attitude, Coaching, his refusal to drop favourites, and his constant denial that we were in the sewer,bad game plans, plus his pigheadedness in not seeing the fact , that no matter how he wanted to KickFarah out, it legally , could not happen.
He wasted months on this , and had no chance of it ending any other way than the way that it did,
He's continued this year in the same way, as far as selections are concerned, and his failure to be able to Change the problems that the team has always had
Right up to game time this week , a hell of a lot of people wanted the team changed,
It was, but mainly because of injury.
While I would, congratulate the team mostly , and also Taylorfor the effort on Thursday night, but, just as my attitude about Taylor wasn't formed during one Game,
I won't be changing it over One Game either. !!!!!
While WTs played better for most of the game , our forwards ran and defended better than they have in one and a half seasons. The overwhelming majority from the Rugby League, socalled experts , were united in admitting that Souths were terrible, in fact I didn't hear one opinion to the contrary !!!!
They were.
But that didn't mean that our team didn't play bloody well.
Whether JT had much to do with the change in the team this week is something that we dont know, or , whether it was a big effort by the players themselves, along with the new blokes, to regain some pride in themselves, my guess, ( and it could be wrong,). is that that is more likely what it was. I doubt that JT was in the front of everybodys minds when they ran out. It hasn't been before, so why would that change.

As far as myself , and probably others, are concerned, the ball is in Taylors court.
Is this a one off event , as has been the case at times in the past with WTs ?
Or have the team and Taylor turned the corner And is there going to be some improvement in the near future?
Has Taylor suddenly became our saviour over 80 minutes.
I'd father congratulate him and them for a long coming win, and wait to see whether there is some improvement.
Jumping on the saviour bandwagon after one win only papers over the cracks.
Let's see how the next 6 games go and if there's evidence that Taylors had a positive effect on the team, I'd be happy to change my mind about him. Until then I'm keeping an open mind on it.
Remember it comes after 6 straight losses, let's see how the next 6 goes.

Thanks GCT for that wonderful input and you thoughts…..I reckon the penny has finally dropped for these inexperienced players,JT has been sticking to his guns regarding the NRL defensive structures and how important defense is in today's game...it takes a fair bit of grit to get a team of youth and some fringe NRL players to back up after a belting and win against a team of very seasoned players,even though they didn't play to the standard on Thurs night...

 

[TrueTiger]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

B2
, the opinions of quite a lot of people here about Taylor , weren't formed ( in most cases) over one game, they were formed over the time that he has been coaching here., And formed by his attitude, Coaching, his refusal to drop favourites, and his constant denial that we were in the sewer,bad game plans, plus his pigheadedness in not seeing the fact , that no matter how he wanted to KickFarah out, it legally , could not happen.
He wasted months on this , and had no chance of it ending any other way than the way that it did,
He's continued this year in the same way, as far as selections are concerned, and his failure to be able to Change the problems that the team has always had
Right up to game time this week , a hell of a lot of people wanted the team changed,
It was, but mainly because of injury.
While I would, congratulate the team mostly , and also Taylorfor the effort on Thursday night, but, just as my attitude about Taylor wasn't formed during one Game,
I won't be changing it over One Game either. !!!!!
While WTs played better for most of the game , our forwards ran and defended better than they have in one and a half seasons. The overwhelming majority from the Rugby League, socalled experts , were united in admitting that Souths were terrible, in fact I didn't hear one opinion to the contrary !!!!
They were.
But that didn't mean that our team didn't play bloody well.
Whether JT had much to do with the change in the team this week is something that we dont know, or , whether it was a big effort by the players themselves, along with the new blokes, to regain some pride in themselves, my guess, ( and it could be wrong,). is that that is more likely what it was. I doubt that JT was in the front of everybodys minds when they ran out. It hasn't been before, so why would that change.

As far as myself , and probably others, are concerned, the ball is in Taylors court.
Is this a one off event , as has been the case at times in the past with WTs ?
Or have the team and Taylor turned the corner And is there going to be some improvement in the near future?
Has Taylor suddenly became our saviour over 80 minutes.
I'd father congratulate him and them for a long coming win, and wait to see whether there is some improvement.
Jumping on the saviour bandwagon after one win only papers over the cracks.
Let's see how the next 6 games go and if there's evidence that Taylors had a positive effect on the team, I'd be happy to change my mind about him. Until then I'm keeping an open mind on it.
Remember it comes after 6 straight losses, let's see how the next 6 goes.

Thanks GCT for that wonderful input and your thoughts I reckon the penny has finally dropped for these inexperienced players,JT has been sticking to his guns regarding the NRL defensive structures and how important defense is in today's game…it takes a fair bit of grit to get a team of youth and some fringe NRL players to back up after a belting and win against a team of very seasoned players,even though they didn't play to the standard on Thurs night...I'm hoping the whole squad gets a lot of confidence out of that win and rewards the club and coaching staff with much better efforts and wins in the next few weeks of the season... :smiley:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So do you all still want JT sacked this week ? Were their really any negotiations with Cleary Payten or Toovey

B2
, the opinions of quite a lot of people here about Taylor , weren't formed ( in most cases) over one game, they were formed over the time that he has been coaching here., And formed by his attitude, Coaching, his refusal to drop favourites, and his constant denial that we were in the sewer,bad game plans, plus his pigheadedness in not seeing the fact , that no matter how he wanted to KickFarah out, it legally , could not happen.
He wasted months on this , and had no chance of it ending any other way than the way that it did,
He's continued this year in the same way, as far as selections are concerned, and his failure to be able to Change the problems that the team has always had
Right up to game time this week , a hell of a lot of people wanted the team changed,
It was, but mainly because of injury.
While I would, congratulate the team mostly , and also Taylorfor the effort on Thursday night, but, just as my attitude about Taylor wasn't formed during one Game,
I won't be changing it over One Game either. !!!!!
While WTs played better for most of the game , our forwards ran and defended better than they have in one and a half seasons. The overwhelming majority from the Rugby League, socalled experts , were united in admitting that Souths were terrible, in fact I didn't hear one opinion to the contrary !!!!
They were.
But that didn't mean that our team didn't play bloody well.
Whether JT had much to do with the change in the team this week is something that we dont know, or , whether it was a big effort by the players themselves, along with the new blokes, to regain some pride in themselves, my guess, ( and it could be wrong,). is that that is more likely what it was. I doubt that JT was in the front of everybodys minds when they ran out. It hasn't been before, so why would that change.

As far as myself , and probably others, are concerned, the ball is in Taylors court.
Is this a one off event , as has been the case at times in the past with WTs ?
Or have the team and Taylor turned the corner And is there going to be some improvement in the near future?
Has Taylor suddenly became our saviour over 80 minutes.
I'd father congratulate him and them for a long coming win, and wait to see whether there is some improvement.
Jumping on the saviour bandwagon after one win only papers over the cracks.
Let's see how the next 6 games go and if there's evidence that Taylors had a positive effect on the team, I'd be happy to change my mind about him. Until then I'm keeping an open mind on it.
Remember it comes after 6 straight losses, let's see how the next 6 goes.

Thanks GCT for that wonderful input and your thoughts I reckon the penny has finally dropped for these inexperienced players,JT has been sticking to his guns regarding the NRL defensive structures and how important defense is in today's game…it takes a fair bit of grit to get a team of youth and some fringe NRL players to back up after a belting and win against a team of very seasoned players,even though they didn't play to the standard on Thurs night...I'm hoping the whole squad gets a lot of confidence out of that win and rewards the club and coaching staff with much better efforts and wins in the next few weeks of the season... :smiley:

You could be right TT.

 

[tigerap]

I know this post will be knocked from pillar to post…. But I reckon the club should extend JT's contract to 2018.... The last thing we need here is another change in coach.... JT is passionate about coaching the WT, he does have a plan, and with his "own" team he will succeed and improve this club.... :sign:

 

[Tim Sheens]

I know this post will be knocked from pillar to post…. But I reckon the club should extend JT's contract to 2018.... The last thing we need here is another change in coach.... JT is passionate about coaching the WT, he does have a plan, and with his "own" team he will succeed and improve this club.... :sign:

Let's get through the immediate future and this season first Rap, then if he is still around next season, let the new board weigh things up.

 

[Russell]

GCT wrote:

**"Whether JT had much to do with the change in the team this week is something that we dont know, or , whether it was a big effort by the players themselves, along with the new blokes, to regain some pride in themselves, my guess, ( and it could be wrong,). is that that is more likely what it was. I doubt that JT was in the front of everybodys minds when they ran out. It hasn't been before, so why would that change."**

A lot of what you say maybe true but…. you can't have it both ways.

When we win it is more likely a big effort by the players - JT wasn't in their minds when they ran on etc.

When we lose it is Taylor - not good enough, plays favs etc...... but why isn't it a below par effort from the players and that maybe against Canberra JT did everything right.

You do not get efforts like the games against the Storm and Souths if the coach has lost the players (i.e the players do not think he is doing a good job) - Oh! but those teams were crap, all we had to do was run on the field and the opposition supplied the effort for us.

It does not hurt to give credit when credit is due. Whether you need to do that next game, we do all realise that you may not have to.

As I say you can't have it both ways.