Jason Taylor ...THREAD...

[supercoach]

No use in flicking JT mid season, especially if it is going to cost us money. I say wait till the end of the season and see how the KPI's stack up. The club has a get of jail free card if the KPI's have not been met. Obviously in the meantime we have to start making some discreet enquiries to see who might want the gig.

I really think it is more about our roster than our coach, but of course the coach is responsible for motivating and coaching the roster. To be honest as good as it was to beat Souths. I really do not expect to many more wins in 2016 and a bottom four finish is almost guaranteed, so I guess Taylor will probably fall on his sword come September

 

[eyewonder]

couldnt agree with you more supercoach.

hope for some spirited performances- dont expect too much considering injuries to key players- let the status quo be for the rest of the year.

then go shopping.

 

[851]

couldnt agree with you more supercoach.

hope for some spirited performances- dont expect too much considering injuries to key players- let the status quo be for the rest of the year.

then go shopping.

Whilst I sort of agree, it is hard to attract players when they don't know who is going to coach the next year, especially if your on a losing run.

 

[stevetiger]

Sheens was sacked….
We didn't get the wooden spoon.....
We won our first two games..great start to the season...

Facts....

Hi Jason - It'd be better for you if you stopped spinning things. It comes across as stupid:-

1\. Tim Sheens: 249 matches; 122 wins, 127 losses; 49% winning percentage (2003–2012). That is a long long time to be head coach.
2\. We came dead last. Our for and against got us to 15th out of 16 teams. It was a terrible season.
3\. We are currently in the bottom 5 clubs this year. We need to improve a lot.

If JT gets sacked that would be fine assuming he deserves to be. I'd be as happy as JT himself if we improve and have a good year this year and have an even better year next year and he is retained. Let's not set the bar though pathetically low. This club and it's supporters deserve better.

 

[stevetiger]

No use in flicking JT mid season, especially if it is going to cost us money. I say wait till the end of the season and see how the KPI's stack up. The club has a get of jail free card if the KPI's have not been met. Obviously in the meantime we have to start making some discreet enquiries to see who might want the gig.

I really think it is more about our roster than our coach, but of course the coach is responsible for motivating and coaching the roster. To be honest as good as it was to beat Souths. I really do not expect to many more wins in 2016 and a bottom four finish is almost guaranteed, so I guess Taylor will probably fall on his sword come September

I can't see him falling on his sword. I wouldn't be surprised if he and his supporters bust out more spin to justify retaining him for another year.

I think we need to look at how we are going and judge JT on performances. If he performs retain him. If not get rid of him. I'm not sure if he should go this year or next year but I think it's probably better to give him until the end of the season.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

id hardly call ours a revolving door compared to other clubs over the time since we started Someonehad the stats for that not long ago , and makes a joke of anyone referring to us as a revolving door

Having potentially 4 coaches in 5 seasons would be a revolving door. It would be a joke to claim otherwise.

Would it be a joke to claim 4 coaches in 14 years as a revolving door?

Who cares what happened in the previous 11 yrs. 4 coaches in 5 yrs would be ridiculous.

So , that means that if we've hired two low performing coaches within 2 yrs, that we have to keep them , because it'd look bad if we cut them
If it's not working, and it's not so far, get rid of them,
Or keep them to placate the members of the mediocracy brigade.
You might feel differently by the end of the year

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

id hardly call ours a revolving door compared to other clubs over the time since we started Someonehad the stats for that not long ago , and makes a joke of anyone referring to us as a revolving door

Having potentially 4 coaches in 5 seasons would be a revolving door. It would be a joke to claim otherwise.

Would it be a joke to claim 4 coaches in 14 years as a revolving door?

Who cares what happened in the previous 11 yrs. 4 coaches in 5 yrs would be ridiculous.

So we should only take notice of the facts that support your argument, and ignore the facts that state we've punted less coaches than most other clubsbecause they prove your argument is Wrong
Well at least this year we'll beat last years Wooden Spooners…....WhAt??????.....OH
Sorry !? :laughing:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Who cares if they were ''sacked'' or just not renewed, We've had 3 coaches in the last 5 seasons. Fact.

There is a big difference between sacked and didn't offer them a new contract

You want stability??? Then buy a quality coach and a couple of quality players

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Having potentially 4 coaches in 5 seasons would be a revolving door. It would be a joke to claim otherwise.

Would it be a joke to claim 4 coaches in 14 years as a revolving door?

Who cares what happened in the previous 11 yrs. 4 coaches in 5 yrs would be ridiculous.

So we should only take notice of the facts that support your argument, and ignore the facts that state we've punted less coaches than most other clubsbecause they prove your argument is Wrong
Well at least this year we'll beat last years Wooden Spooners…....WhAt??????.....OH
Sorry !? :laughing:

As opposed to your argument that sacking the coach is fine because we're talking about the amount of coaches we've used since the club's inception, not the last 5 yrs. Six of one, half a dozen the other.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Who cares if they were ''sacked'' or just not renewed, We've had 3 coaches in the last 5 seasons. Fact.

There is a big difference between sacked and didn't offer them a new contract

You want stability??? Then buy a quality coach and a couple of quality players

Really, is that all it takes? You would think if it was as easy as that the club would have already done it.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Who cares if they were ''sacked'' or just not renewed, We've had 3 coaches in the last 5 seasons. Fact.

There is a big difference between sacked and didn't offer them a new contract

You want stability??? Then buy a quality coach and a couple of quality players

Really, is that all it takes? You would think if it was as easy as that the club would have already done it.

It srarts off in the right direction. Don't go by what our club does Russ, as has been said a few times here, we are here to make up the numbers

 

[Eddie]

I would only punt Taylor if you could get an upgrade.

Payten or any rookie would not be an upgrade in any way.

 

[stevetiger]

Having potentially 4 coaches in 5 seasons would be a revolving door. It would be a joke to claim otherwise.

Would it be a joke to claim 4 coaches in 14 years as a revolving door?

Who cares what happened in the previous 11 yrs. 4 coaches in 5 yrs would be ridiculous.

So , that means that if we've hired two low performing coaches within 2 yrs, that we have to keep them , because it'd look bad if we cut them
If it's not working, and it's not so far, get rid of them,
Or keep them to placate the members of the mediocracy brigade.
You might feel differently by the end of the year

Exactly. We cannot continue to accept mediocre performances and a instill a lack of accountability with the club.

Taylor should be retained or let go based on performances. I hope he turns things around and we have a good year this year and a better one the year after but if not he has to go. So far it's been a massive failure. It might turn around and I hope it does but if not see you later JT.

 

[Harvey]

Can those in the "sack Taylor" group advise who they would want as the replacement and the reason why, based on current available coaches? I see it as a choice between (excuse the very rough stats):
The master (Ivan Cleary): couple of hundred games as NRL coach. Win rate of less than 50%. Took a warriors team with half a dozen internationals to semis 2 of 4 years, made one grand final and is yet to win a comp.
The apprentice (Toovey): Inherited a manly side with half a dozen internationals from Des Hasler. Side had been semi finalists for the last 6 years. Made the semi's every year in charge before infighting saw the side struggle his last year and him sacked.
The Tigers do not have half a dozen internationals and neither of these coaches have shown an ability to build a roster. I am not sold on Taylor, but am not sold on any of the replacements. I think that any coach here would struggle with the current roster.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Can those in the "sack Taylor" group advise who they would want as the replacement and the reason why, based on current available coaches? I see it as a choice between (excuse the very rough stats):
The master (Ivan Cleary): couple of hundred games as NRL coach. Win rate of less than 50%. Took a warriors team with half a dozen internationals to semis 2 of 4 years, made one grand final and is yet to win a comp.
The apprentice (Toovey): Inherited a manly side with half a dozen internationals from Des Hasler. Side had been semi finalists for the last 6 years. Made the semi's every year in charge before infighting saw the side struggle his last year and him sacked.
The Tigers do not have half a dozen internationals and neither of these coaches have shown an ability to build a roster. I am not sold on Taylor, but am not sold on any of the replacements. I think that any coach here would struggle with the current roster.

By the end of the year we don't know who will be available, but I would look at all those you mentioned for a start.
As I said in an earlier post I would even look at having someone to come in knowing that it was for the rest of the year then the position was open
In the event of the interim coach making improvements with the team on the field, and showing the ability to get the best out of the players, ( not just on one or two occasions ) then he could also be considered.if we want to get out of the cellar, then we have to start and be proactive and look for Coaching possibilities. Instead so as some want to wait another 18 months to start again from scratch
We'll have wasted three years, but don't worry we can start another " 5 year rebuilding
Phase" we do that well
If Taylor doesn't start to show some improvements he has to go , and let someone else have the chance retrieve something from the wreckage.

 

[851]

Results aside which Taylor's are poor, if a current rep level player was on the open market, and he had a choice of playing under Cleary, Toovey or Taylor, what order do you think he would rate them, I have a fair idea who would come in at 3rd place.

 

[Harvey]

Results aside which Taylor's are poor, if a current rep level player was on the open market, and he had a choice of playing under Cleary, Toovey or Taylor, what order do you think he would rate them, I have a fair idea who would come in at 3rd place.

If you add Bennett, Bellamy, Green, Arthur, Hasler, Robinson to the mix, I am not sure that any of the 3 above would be in the top 5\. They would also likely consider the performance of the side they are signing for and whether it might help them make rep sides

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Results aside which Taylor's are poor, if a current rep level player was on the open market, and he had a choice of playing under Cleary, Toovey or Taylor, what order do you think he would rate them, I have a fair idea who would come in at 3rd place.

If you add Bennett, Bellamy, Green, Arthur, Hasler, Robinson to the mix, I am not sure that any of the 3 above would be in the top 5\. They would also likely consider the performance of the side they are signing for and whether it might help them make rep sides

I think you missed the point those coaches that you mentioned aren't even available
So are irrelevant

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Who cares if they were ''sacked'' or just not renewed, We've had 3 coaches in the last 5 seasons. Fact.

Taylor has took the team to equal last in 2015 missing the spoon on F/A, and in 2016 we are 3rd last after 9 rounds with the 2nd worse defence, leaking 26.55 points the per game, fact, he deserves to go on that alone.

He has been great.

We are only 2 points out of the eight.

Russ, with respect, that is a ridiculous comment.

This year to this point, those outside the 8 are all rubbish

Even the dogs are crap and they're around 6.

If a team can't make a go of it this year…. 😱pen_mouth:

All I've seen are 5 good teams then maybe the panthers.

We're way down the list and 2 points out of the 8 - Hardly great.

Let's hope for a massive improvement. The guys need to believe in themselves and play to their potential every week for 80 minutes and more if required. The coach needs to be brave enough to make the guys accountable for their actions (or their inactions)

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

youre definetly right about the standard of most the teams this year WD the difference in standard between the Good teams and the rest is big.
And Russ
Its one thing to support a coach but a whole other thing to close your eyes to the reality of the situation