OFFICIAL Jersey Flegg Cup

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A lot of work stills needs to be done on Cultural and standards this has improved but not to the point were outside players recognize that we can go there and develop?? The best up and comers will stand out to a certain point, but they still need that development and skills training and that is what is still needs to be improved on.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
Some very good points @Vicious

Just speaking off the top of my head, some 'no brainer' things that we should have/do to build the culture & development of the 'whole' club are:

1 Have sessions for the Jersey Flegg squad to come in and train with the NRL squad at Concord and also times to integrate with them (i.e. bbq after these sessions).

2 A staff member responsible for overseeing the development of players from Flegg, Cup into NRL - responsible for individual player development plans, training systems & overall consistency of systems from NRL down to Flegg.

3 Visibility & involvement of our top dogs Richo, Benji & NRL assistants at NSW Cup & Flegg training & games. Not all the time, just regularly.

4 Specialised coaching included at NSW Cup & Jersey Flegg level - wrestling, kicking, tackle techniques etc

5 Showcase our junior prospects in more club communication both to show the value we place in our pathways, give those players experience in media interview situations and build connection between this level and our fans.

DISCLAIMER - the above may already be happening, I doubt all of it is but it's just off the top of my head.
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Gee you would think this is all happening wouldnt you?
 
WestMagpieChosen said:
Tom fisher - concussion
Cameron kanaan - pec
Max lyles - ankle
All unavailable for the next couple weeks.
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We've got the depth. Will be interesting who they replace Liles with this week, Haywood again perhaps. Tino Tavana, Logan Brookes & Riley Oitmann all fullback options.

Any word on Max Taotua who has missed the pass couple?
 
Vicious said:
What happened to Jack Nicholas, is he injured also ?
We need to find a lightning fast, tall athletic outside back, I thought he could potentially be the one ?
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Yeah he came back in the Penrith game and had a stormer after missing most of SG Ball season. Don't remember him picking up an injury in that game.
 
Vicious said:
What happened to Jack Nicholas, is he injured also ?
We need to find a lightning fast, tall athletic outside back, I thought he could potentially be the one ?
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We encourage big wingers who aren't necessarily quick to "hit it up" out of our quarter and wonder why there is a dearth of fast, elusive wingers of the JAC variety.
 
IronFist said:
Jersey Flegg is too late. Development begins at Matts level. 20-21 yr olds currently playing Flegg every week aren't going to make it to the NRL. The good ones are already in reserve grade or NRL. It's the 18-19 yr olds in Flegg that have a chance and they will have played SG Ball and Matts before hand. SG Ball is the main junior development grade?

Besides, you focus on development of every player earlier in their rep career, and they will be better players in senior grades.

And I'm confused why you're including NSW Cup in this? Most players playing NSW Cup are training with NRL squads. NSW Cup training groups are essentially NRL-club contracted Ron Massey players aren't they?
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I was going to respond to this one above and also @Vicious post from before. The system needs to start at the grass roots. The development needs to begin there. Build up the skills of the players and teams and you’ll have more talented kids to pick from.
 
IronFist said:
Jersey Flegg is too late. Development begins at Matts level. 20-21 yr olds currently playing Flegg every week aren't going to make it to the NRL. The good ones are already in reserve grade or NRL. It's the 18-19 yr olds in Flegg that have a chance and they will have played SG Ball and Matts before hand. SG Ball is the main junior development grade?

Besides, you focus on development of every player earlier in their rep career, and they will be better players in senior grades.

And I'm confused why you're including NSW Cup in this? Most players playing NSW Cup are training with NRL squads. NSW Cup training groups are essentially NRL-club contracted Ron Massey players aren't they?
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I agree on starting the development process earlier in pathways yes. I was just commenting on Flegg upwards for however the discussion started.

Re. NSW Cup, as it's still an important pathway to NRL. Some players are NRL squad contracted & some are just NSW Cup contracted, but I'm saying to ensure there is a system & manager in place so all players are included.

For example, Charlie Murray who has been just WM Cup contracted receives a good amount of development & guidance as part of the greater Wests Tigers system. It was clear in his interviews last week, he only met his WT team mates when Benji called him into the squad to travel to Townsville.

I would think bringing together the Wests Magpies contracted players with the Wests Tigers contracted players regularly in-season & pre-season both for some sessions & socialising would be a thing.

Anyway that's just one example.

I'm not disagreeing you. Just offering suggestions to help drive a 'one club' inclusive culture with a solid development process for the players (and coaches for that matter).
 
Needaname said:
I was going to respond to this one above and also @Vicious post from before. The system needs to start at the grass roots. The development needs to begin there. Build up the skills of the players and teams and you’ll have more talented kids to pick from.
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Nobody is saying development should not start at Harold Matthews level, of course it should, but don’t forget the budget for Harold Matthews and SG Ball is a lot less than it is for Jersey Flegg and NSW Cup where there is a more hands on approach.
What o have stated and I think BWG and others have also touched on is the fact we have rarely seen improvement in our players that have played Jersey Flegg or NSW Cup for us over the past 3-4 years in particular and it’s simply not good enough, it’s not this bad of a strike rate at any other club, therefore there has to be a problem with our development.
To say players cannot be developed once they are playing Jersey Flegg is ridiculous. We generally have a reasonably young g Jersey Flegg team and even the older JF aged players still have plenty of room for improvement with the right attitude and the right guidance.
There is plenty of NRL players, some of them top quality players that are not making their NRL debut or not becoming regular NRL players until after the age of 21.
 
Vicious said:
Nobody is saying development should not start at Harold Matthews level, of course it should, but don’t forget the budget for Harold Matthews and SG Ball is a lot less than it is for Jersey Flegg and NSW Cup where there is a more hands on approach.
What o have stated and I think BWG and others have also touched on is the fact we have rarely seen improvement in our players that have played Jersey Flegg or NSW Cup for us over the past 3-4 years in particular and it’s simply not good enough, it’s not this bad of a strike rate at any other club, therefore there has to be a problem with our development.
To say players cannot be developed once they are playing Jersey Flegg is ridiculous. We generally have a reasonably young g Jersey Flegg team and even the older JF aged players still have plenty of room for improvement with the right attitude and the right guidance.
There is plenty of NRL players, some of them top quality players that are not making their NRL debut or not becoming regular NRL players until after the age of 21.
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No that’s right, need to be unified and uniformed from the highest grade to the lowest. I think it should start in the preseason. It’s a bit hard to include the part timers into the top squad. What’s happening with the renewed national 20s comp when is that coming into effect?
 
We should not be waiting on the under 20's to come in and make changes to how we develop our lower grade players. Start bringing in your players that where in Matthews and sg ball and working on their ball skills, Tackling drills , video sessions. Put some of the kids in a mixed tag football comp, in hence and develop there potential it would be good for develop future coaches.
 
Bellend said:
We should not be waiting on the under 20's to come in and make changes to how we develop our lower grade players. Start bringing in your players that where in Matthews and sg ball and working on their ball skills, Tackling drills , video sessions. Put some of the kids in a mixed tag football comp, in hence and develop there potential it would be good for develop future coaches.
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That’s a no brainer, of course that should be happening.
No player is the complete package therefore the development should never stop, but of course once a player reaches their late 20’s or older, the chances of them improving are much lower.
 
Vicious said:
That’s a no brainer, of course that should be happening.
No player is the complete package therefore the development should never stop, but of course once a player reaches their late 20’s or older, the chances of them improving are much lower.
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Vicious to some extent that is correct but if the programs are there and they are evolving sort of programs that players will learn. It happens in Soccer,basketball,nfl.
 
Bellend said:
Vicious to some extent that is correct but if the programs are there and they are evolving sort of programs that players will learn. It happens in Soccer,basketball,nfl.
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Essentially that’s what I initially stated, we have hardly seen any significant improvement in any of our Flegg or NSW Cup players over the past few years, therefore whatever programs we currently have in place are not working.
 
Up 28 to 6 at half time and have been running riot over Manly. I reckon we even left a few tries out there. Our whole left edge looks like scoring every time. Saukuru looks damaging, Mitch Taotua playing well outside of him too. Must have had about 10 tackle breaks himself.
Matai has been very good and Logan Deneinger out the book has looked threatening.
Josese Lanyon and Shaq both provided great impact off the bench with Lanyon picking up a double.

Haywood is all class though. Man we are lucky to have some good hookers at the club.

Boys should hit 50 plus if they keep up their intent in the 2nd half.
 
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