Jimmy the jet??

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

The demountable are a huge improvement on the old facilities, the board signs the coach.,membership has increased.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

Any drop in memberships or profit next year will be blamed on covid. There's always an excuse. We're stuck with him for a while yet.


Why are we stuck with him he should be on an annual contract that is reviewed at board level, measured against KPI's achieved?

Uh huh. Great idea. One year contracts. Plenty of great candidates will be lining up to replace Pascoe on a one year contract in a wildly volatile market. I swear many here have zero idea of business.


Lol so you have a corporate position prior????

Plenty


I had for 15 years running a national businesses where the KPI's based upon 2 board meetings a year were measured.
Annual review of salary and entitlements once a year.

Certainly made me perform and team working for myself had annual contracts.

Very frustrating to see someone at the Top of our organization perform so poorly yet not accountable.

How many of the top CEOs are on 1year contracts?

Yes i retired at 56 to put more time back into my family.
Annual contracts nowadays is the Normal mainly because of disputes that may arise from FWA and the act.

Anyway as another forum member pointed out he is not going to continue to financially support the club and i made that decision last year as well until there are changes at the Top.
Pascoe mark my words is a detriment to our club, however you are all entitled to your own thoughts, just making my frustrations known in relation to Mcintyre.

 

[cochise]

The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

I get what you are saying, but there are only so many Lauries and Burtons on the market, and you need to fill a squad. The Jimmy the Jet rumour mentioned a figure of 130k or something like that. It's completely unrealistic to expect someone better than Jimmy the Jet on anything like that kind of money.
We have a lot of talented youth coming through, which is great, but you have to sprinkle that with a bit of experience (and you can do worse than Tamou and Mansour) otherwise you end up like this year's Broncos.

Mansour may be past his prime, but he's still by any measure an upgrade on Robert Jennings!


You can’t dovetail Mansour into a group including James Tamou. Tamou is a prop, captain of a gf team. He could prove the buy of the decade.

He could, but so could any new signing, I am happy to trust the process.

All the complaints to me just don't seem to reflect reality. The club to me is going after the right players. We just aren't getting the big fish like Latrell and JAC. We also don't seem to have any good signings coming up but I fail to see who we can get. Maybe we just have to see what happens next season when a lot more players are off contract.

It is my understanding from an article on here a while back, that Adam Hartigan has employed a player analysis team (or something to that effect) to look at players and assess there value, I assume that was why they didn't go more on JAC and the process has started.
Like the Moneyball movie🙂

We have employed Scoot Woodward, who was a Performance Analytics Consultant at the Storm, as our Recruitment & List Analyst who works with Adam Hartigan and provides him with data of pretty much every elite player in the country.

Isn’t Warren McDonnell still our head of recruitment? He’s rubbish. He was here and was rubbish went to dogs and was rubbish and now he’s back right?

He is below Hartigan who is the General Manager of Football

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

The demountable are a huge improvement on the old facilities, the board signs the coach.,membership has increased.

No they have not they have been static these past few years and understandably went backwards last year.

I did a comparison at the start of the season that highlighted this with there database not having correct up to date information.

I also sent a detailed email on how to increase memberships and gave them 5 ideas which they called me back on to discuss, unsure if ever will implement however all i heard was excuses about data and non linking between website.

I highly also doubt that memberships will increase until we start making the 8 again and playing finals.

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


Highly doubt it when he was 6 months away from the CEO role.
The way i see it has been here 5 plus years now and we have not gone forwards but backwards.
Brought his mate in Cleary how did that work out?
Team currently training out of de-mountables?
Can't attract any quality players to club.
Membership static or gone backwards.

States on a positive note that we made a profit the year prior however you can change things in the balance sheet to make it also look that way as a once off.

The demountable are a huge improvement on the old facilities, the board signs the coach.,membership has increased.


No they have not they have been static these past few years and understandably went backwards last year.

I did a comparison at the start of the season that highlighted this with there database not having correct up to date information.

I also sent a detailed email on how to increase memberships and gave them 5 ideas which they called me back on to discuss, unsure if ever will implement however all i heard was excuses about data and non linking between website.

I highly also doubt that memberships will increase until we start making the 8 again and playing finals.

I have found them to be very open and willing to implement ideas.

 

[Lauren]

Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.

I don't think that this is a true comment. Can you name another team that provides these details ? To me that would show a poorly run team.

Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.

I don't think that this is a true comment. Can you name another team that provides these details ? To me that would show a poorly run team.

Please don't take this the wrong way but didn't mean it literally.
I do think a few fans want to know what type of players we have in our sights/plans or how much of the cap is being allocated for potential recruits etc., but it doesn't mean I expect the club release details to appease fans either, so please don't confuse the two.

 

[cochise]

Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.

I don't think that this is a true comment. Can you name another team that provides these details ? To me that would show a poorly run team.

Was only speaking out loud that most of us do want to know the more intricate details re:recruitment.

I don't think that this is a true comment. Can you name another team that provides these details ? To me that would show a poorly run team.

Please don't take this the wrong way but didn't mean it literally.
I do think a few fans want to know what type of players we have in our sights/plans or how much of the cap is being allocated for potential recruits etc., but it doesn't mean I expect the club release details to appease fans either, so please don't confuse the two.

Yeah, I love that sort of stuff, but it is not something you can release to the masses.

 

[hodgo]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

 

[twentyforty]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

The worst thing? If we look at the youngest team in the nrl, sure they could have done better. They could have won the gf. They aren’t aware of the fate which awaits them after unloading a few oldies.
If you’re old enough to play, you’re old enough to increase levels of mental toughness and confidence. imo. We have teenagers playing origin.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

So Mansour was coming to WTs even if JAC joined?

 

[OzLuke]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...if it doesn't pay off then everyone will get slammed, and make no mistake the pressure will be on Roberts to stay on the straighty 180. Maybe too much??

 

[Tiger5150]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....

Lots of questions, good questions. The kind of questions that are probably well answered by a face to face discussion.



>it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...

I’m struggling to follow your logic. You say that it’s not worth Tigers doing due diligence but despite that, the Tigers did it but if it’s a success it will be fluke and not good management (despite doing good due diligence?). Talk about setting up for a fail.

 

[OzLuke]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....

Lots of questions, good questions. The kind of questions that are probably well answered by a face to face discussion.



>it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...

I’m struggling to follow your logic. You say that it’s not worth Tigers doing due diligence but despite that, the Tigers did it but if it’s a success it will be fluke and not good management (despite doing good due diligence?). Talk about setting up for a fail.

there are a lot of intangibles in signing Roberts. Most importantly his mental well being which is well documented. What do the tigers think they can offer him that Souths, Titans, broncos and Penrith haven't? I'm not saying don't sign him, because I think if his head is right then he will be awesome for us. But it's a big if. It's a risk for the Tigers. The way our club is currently if roberts' head isn't right it's a big risk for him because there will be so much pressure on him and so many people simply waiting for him to fail again, and to stick the knife in our club because of it.

 

[Telltails]

It's a last chance for Roberts. The contract would come with clauses that would allow for instant dismissal. The risk is low if the deal is cheap and the contract has get outs. Then it is all up to Roberts.

 

[hodgo]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

So Mansour was coming to WTs even if JAC joined?

Lol I don't need to explain next in line to you I'm sure.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....

Lots of questions, good questions. The kind of questions that are probably well answered by a face to face discussion.



>it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...

I’m struggling to follow your logic. You say that it’s not worth Tigers doing due diligence but despite that, the Tigers did it but if it’s a success it will be fluke and not good management (despite doing good due diligence?). Talk about setting up for a fail.

there are a lot of intangibles in signing Roberts. Most importantly his mental well being which is well documented. What do the tigers think they can offer him that Souths, Titans, broncos and Penrith haven't? I'm not saying don't sign him, because I think if his head is right then he will be awesome for us. But it's a big if. It's a risk for the Tigers. The way our club is currently if roberts' head isn't right it's a big risk for him because there will be so much pressure on him and so many people simply waiting for him to fail again, and to stick the knife in our club because of it.

Agree with all of that, but I read your last post to say “why bother talking to him” and then listing all the reasons to talk to him.

 

[OzLuke]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....

Lots of questions, good questions. The kind of questions that are probably well answered by a face to face discussion.



>it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...

I’m struggling to follow your logic. You say that it’s not worth Tigers doing due diligence but despite that, the Tigers did it but if it’s a success it will be fluke and not good management (despite doing good due diligence?). Talk about setting up for a fail.

there are a lot of intangibles in signing Roberts. Most importantly his mental well being which is well documented. What do the tigers think they can offer him that Souths, Titans, broncos and Penrith haven't? I'm not saying don't sign him, because I think if his head is right then he will be awesome for us. But it's a big if. It's a risk for the Tigers. The way our club is currently if roberts' head isn't right it's a big risk for him because there will be so much pressure on him and so many people simply waiting for him to fail again, and to stick the knife in our club because of it.

Agree with all of that, but I read your last post to say “why bother talking to him” and then listing all the reasons to talk to him.

No mate and apologize if that's how it came across. It was more of a what can our club do or offer a player with needs like Roberts that would be different from the other clubs he has been at.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think this is ridiculous. We haven't signed the bloke but we have done our due diligence. What makes good recruitment is making sure everybody thinks your decent people.
Compare what we do to the nba. They literally ring every one who comes off contract just to say hi at some stage we may be interested but we think your a good bloke.

Its fantastic practice because now the player thinks you care.

I doubt we sign Jimmy unless its on the minimum and that kinda of risk is low with high reward.

Eveybody whinges we don't make the 8 then says play aj and the rookies. If we play then next year we don't make the 8 again. If we blood them when needed and take on a mansour or a Jimmy it gives us time to develop them.

The worst thing you can do is over play young fellas and destroy their confidence. Definately blood them but make sure you aren't relying on then.

What due diligence can the tigers do that hasn't already been done? What assurances can Roberts give that can be credible apart from promises to be better? What can the tigers guarantee Roberts? Lots of questions for this potential move....

Lots of questions, good questions. The kind of questions that are probably well answered by a face to face discussion.



>it's a roll of the dice for all involved. If it pays off, then fantastic but it will seem more of a fluke than good management...

I’m struggling to follow your logic. You say that it’s not worth Tigers doing due diligence but despite that, the Tigers did it but if it’s a success it will be fluke and not good management (despite doing good due diligence?). Talk about setting up for a fail.

there are a lot of intangibles in signing Roberts. Most importantly his mental well being which is well documented. What do the tigers think they can offer him that Souths, Titans, broncos and Penrith haven't? I'm not saying don't sign him, because I think if his head is right then he will be awesome for us. But it's a big if. It's a risk for the Tigers. The way our club is currently if roberts' head isn't right it's a big risk for him because there will be so much pressure on him and so many people simply waiting for him to fail again, and to stick the knife in our club because of it.

Agree with all of that, but I read your last post to say “why bother talking to him” and then listing all the reasons to talk to him.

No mate and apologize if that's how it came across. It was more of a what can our club do or offer a player with needs like Roberts that would be different from the other clubs he has been at.

Nothing to apologise for. All good conversation

 

[weststigerman]

The McIntyre news confirms why we’re interested. We’re struggling to fill roster spots and we’ll take anyone.

 

[twentyforty]

The McIntyre news confirms why we’re interested. We’re struggling to fill roster spots and we’ll take anyone.

If I was in McIntyre ‘s position, waiting for my future to be sorted while the people doing the sorting are publicly having coffee with rejects from other clubs. I would definitely take a higher offer from a club which has purpose and success written all over its recruitment strategy. This is another player who will play out of his skin when Tigers play Titans.