Nostradamus stuff in hindsight.
OFFICIAL Jock Madden #244
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AmericanHistoryX
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Bloody Genuis
Speed2burn
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just need to keep the injuries to a minimum now, seems every game we’ve got a new problem on the casualty ward
The biggest difference was getting our numbers right in defence. Only once did they make a break because of this and it wasn’t a numbers issue , rather Seyfarth has lost all ability to play long minutes on an edge .
All thier points came from really poor defensive misses . Jock is horrendous defensively .
It’s beyond a joke a really . Everyone around him has to help him , as well as thier own man .
The sooner AD is back , the better .
AmericanHistoryX
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LS - Madden is a liability in defence. 💯. I don't know if I could trust him in a war in a bunker next to the next guy.
Shocking defence.
Before I go - how does Adam Reynolds go in defence?
I think having both Api & Twaly is a big reason we are able to stay in the arm wrestle in games. They both keep our middle tight and eliminates lot of possible half breaks. That set for set cycle allows our general play kickers to do a job like they did in H1.
H2 it was more loose and dogs looked dangerous across the park, fortunately we just did enough to hold on to win.
AmericanHistoryX
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Especially in open play. Around the edges - he goes okay. That is - his defence.
He goes fine . He does his job . Makes his tackles , but needs help with bringing down big bodies . If your point is they’re one and the same , then you’re wrong . Madden needs help always . Rarely completes one on ones, and is caught arm grabbing way more than an nrl player should be .
It’s great to see some one else can see maddens pathetic kicks for touch , my under 12s can get better ground than him .
Then there’s his pathetic defence, and his clearing kicks that just go down there throats , I think he found the ground 1 time , it’s about time benji pulled this bloke off the team and give Latu the job
AmericanHistoryX
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Most of the time I am wrong.. just play what's in front of me....
In saying that... I believe Madden was part of stopping that rampaging Canterbury forward a couple of minutes before full time.... with help
So yes... in essence he goes fine....
The kick for touches are diabolical.
And according to rhe record books he plays better alongside Adam than Luai.
What do you make from that?
twentyforty
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Madden does more defensive work than Doueihi does.
Buttface
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Jock needs to work on his contact for sure. Doobs is a pretty big guys and shouldn’t be the turnstile that he is, and you can tell it’s attitude bcoz he can put a hit on if he wants to.
Missing tackles and then chasing them down is a weird way to reframe like you just did .
I find these types of conversations mental . So many of you are so desperate to have a prototype half that you’re willing to literally not see any of the person flaws .
twentyforty
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All I know is that Madden was involved in our first 3 tries. He is always in the action and he is getting better with every game. Both Jock and Adam have played 8 games each in the halves to date. I know stats don’t tell the whole story but they are interesting just the same.
crazycat
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AD has a smaller head then Luai?
Is that including the Hair maine?
Seriously that's some curls the guy has.
crazycat
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I hate bringing Voldemort back up, but we did this before.
We looked at our halfback and realised he was a turnstyle. So we got him tackling, and tackling...
He never learned the game and many including me reckoned he wasn't a halfback. But he did stop being such a turnstyle.
So I ask, do we get Madden tackling more and focusing on that? Yes a bit.
But we also want him to be able to steer the side around the park.
I see Madden's flaws, I also see some strengths. Do we try to fix the flaws? or develop his strengths?
Why can't our bloody large forward pack defend in the middle like they should?
What ? Mate it’s nrl , there’s enough hours in the day for all of the above. The idea that they’re mutually exclusive is a fallacy . I’m not asking for Gillmeister or Nigel plum here . I’m asking for when you make contact you stick . And if you do get beat , much like Api , you’re forcing him into coverage .
Seyfarth is another one . His missions he weekend , when he had a hold of them is inexcusable .
It’s nrl , you simply arnt going to make all your tackles . But there’s a difference between missing a tackle but effecting an outcome , and missing a tackle which leads to points / momentum shifts.
I knew it ! You’re not even looking at the other side of the ball , and shoehorning a concept to fit your narrative. Every single one of those tries would have been scored if AD was at half .
This is exactly what I’m talking about . People did it with Brooks , they did it with / against Bula . When AD was the saviour , and then again when he wasn’t .
you spend 50% of most games without the ball . It is simply obvious that defence is just as important .
Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan
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Madden has to be in the team somewhere. Same with Latu. Both players have elite ball playing skills.
twentyforty
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Try sticking with the facts if you really believe in your argument. I'm not saying Adam is not good for the team, he's a clutch player. But at times he is a bit of a hog when he should have more faith in those outside and the stats back up this point. It's still a team game.
