Jock Madden

[Tiger5150]

Im going to say something very controversial. Everytime Mbye has gone back to FB he has looked great in attack, better than AD. Mbye has a stunningly good pass. Mbye has great defence although defending at FB is a different beast. His achilles heel at FB is catching bombs but he hasnt been tasted in the brief stints he has had this year.

Surely catching bombs can be a learned skill. I was a FB as a young bloke and we would practice it for hours and it was a confidence thing. Surely if we had Mbye on a ball machine over christmas he could come good. We would never get value for money but if he is the best in the club there, just do it.

Mbye
Nofo
BJ
AD
Some good fast bloke
Brooks
Madden if the hype is real

If Madden can live up to the hype, this is potentially a backline that could work behind a good pack.

I totally agree re: Mbye. He has every tool needed to be good fullback, if only he could catch bloody bombs. His organisational skills at the back are up there with the best in the NRL. Biller Slater, ***the best defensive fullback ever,*** said he was extremely impressed with that aspect of his game.

>

Im going to assume you are too young to have watched Garry Jack play.

I think Slater is probably the best fullback ever but Ive never seen a better defensive FB than Jack

 

[Strider]

I disagree Mbye has every tool needed. I don't think he will run many 80m tries from speed and make constant breaks like Tedesco. I think he is OK but can't see him being a star fullback personally. I think Corey Thomson is better in attack than Mbye.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I disagree Mbye has every tool needed. I don't think he will run many 80m tries from speed and make constant breaks like Tedesco. I think he is OK but can't see him being a star fullback personally. I think Corey Thomson is better in attack than Mbye.

Think his problem is that he’s an average starting player, but an exceptional 14, as he cover can anywhere in the backline and 9. Would be nice if he can stand up in the off season and make it known where he wants to play, as opposed to the wishy washy “I’m just happy to be in the 17” rubbish.

 

[bbobb]

Im going to say something very controversial. Everytime Mbye has gone back to FB he has looked great in attack, better than AD. Mbye has a stunningly good pass. Mbye has great defence although defending at FB is a different beast. His achilles heel at FB is catching bombs but he hasnt been tasted in the brief stints he has had this year.

Mbye’s kick returns are dreadful . He nearly always get dominated, meaning we have poor starts to our sets. I think both Mbye and Doueihi have adequate passing games but the area where he really outshines Doueihi is his support play.

 

[Tiger5150]

I disagree Mbye has every tool needed. I don't think he will run many 80m tries from speed and make constant breaks like Tedesco. I think he is OK but can't see him being a star fullback personally. I think Corey Thomson is better in attack than Mbye.

Thompson is clearly faster than Mbye, but Mbye's passing game is mile ahead.

 

[Russell]

Im going to say something very controversial. Everytime Mbye has gone back to FB he has looked great in attack, better than AD. Mbye has a stunningly good pass. Mbye has great defence although defending at FB is a different beast. His achilles heel at FB is catching bombs but he hasnt been tasted in the brief stints he has had this year.

Surely catching bombs can be a learned skill. I was a FB as a young bloke and we would practice it for hours and it was a confidence thing. Surely if we had Mbye on a ball machine over christmas he could come good. We would never get value for money but if he is the best in the club there, just do it.

Mbye
Nofo
BJ
AD
Some good fast bloke
Brooks
Madden if the hype is real

If Madden can live up to the hype, this is potentially a backline that could work behind a good pack.

I totally agree re: Mbye. He has every tool needed to be good fullback, if only he could catch bloody bombs. His organisational skills at the back are up there with the best in the NRL. Biller Slater, ***the best defensive fullback ever,*** said he was extremely impressed with that aspect of his game.

>

Im going to assume you are too young to have watched Garry Jack play.

I think Slater is probably the best fullback ever but Ive never seen a better defensive FB than Jack

Think KB was a better defensive FB post 1959 myself.

 

[cochise]

I disagree Mbye has every tool needed. I don't think he will run many 80m tries from speed and make constant breaks like Tedesco. I think he is OK but can't see him being a star fullback personally. I think Corey Thomson is better in attack than Mbye.

Definately not

 

[Sabre]

I've only seem his highlights reel and he looked like an alright half, going from footage maybe not a star but could play NRL. Can someone who has watched him play full games please tell me about him so i can get more excited? =D I don't know much about him. In any case sure, put him in the squad. Still think we need to shed more halves though.

I'm a bit the same. From what I've seen of him I'm not particularly impressed. I certainly don't think he's going to step up and be the difference we need.

 

[Rowdy12]

Has abit of Joey johns about him this madden kid....

And yet Newcastle weren't upset to see him go ?‍♂️

They actually were. When we signed him there was aN article with the Knights recruitment manager saying the Development contracts hindered clubs who have lots of jnrs like the Knights

 

[clontarfkid]

madden 7 Brooks 6 could work with Douhie at centre with joey L
winger nofo and JAC
fullback Johnston

No room for Talau?

Talau has grown too much to retain his speed,and unless he has absolutely brilliant playmaking qualities as a 6(totally unsighted yet)he is destined for the pigs...just like Curtis Sironen did all those years ago, and Matterson. to the chagrin of both
If yr a large inside back(like Wighton)youve still break tackles ,distribute the ball,& be at least faster than the opposition PROPS(see Talaus Canterbury game).Now we know why he rushes up out of the defensive line
Think Madge has already made wing selection a no go for Talua and will eventually go thru the the elimination process at 3,4 or 6,or directly convert him straight away into a 11 or 12.a.nd bring back the pie warners

 

[tbones10]

Give him a shot, we won't know until they put him to the test, he might go great, he might fail or he might be another Brooks (neither one nor the other). Love to see the kid get a shot.

 

[rustycage]

Stop being a bunch of pussies and play him next week. So many conservatives on here. Sharks throw in two rookie halves who haven't played in 6 months and win. Knights have given Crossland game time this season. Many clubs have thrown in young backups, some perform, dome don't. Dont forget the likes of Staines and Burton hadn't played all season before they got their chance.

Our existing halves have been awful all season. Madden ticks every box that we're looking for in a half. An organising halfback, kicks goals, good kicking game, played in all the junior rep teams. He must play in at least one game this season. We have nothing to lose. Yes we're playing some good sides but tough, we should have already played him earlier, or ideally this weekend against a crap manly side. Why isn't he even on our extended bench?

There is absolutely no reason to play Benji next week. Whether Madden starts or comes off bench he shold get a run.

Great post. 100% agree. Seems everyone wants to be a better team and club but don't want change. It beggars belief.

 

[tonza]

Im going to say something very controversial. Everytime Mbye has gone back to FB he has looked great in attack, better than AD. Mbye has a stunningly good pass. Mbye has great defence although defending at FB is a different beast. His achilles heel at FB is catching bombs but he hasnt been tasted in the brief stints he has had this year.

Surely catching bombs can be a learned skill. I was a FB as a young bloke and we would practice it for hours and it was a confidence thing. Surely if we had Mbye on a ball machine over christmas he could come good. We would never get value for money but if he is the best in the club there, just do it.

Mbye
Nofo
BJ
AD
Some good fast bloke
Brooks
Madden if the hype is real

If Madden can live up to the hype, this is potentially a backline that could work behind a good pack.

I totally agree re: Mbye. He has every tool needed to be good fullback, if only he could catch bloody bombs. His organisational skills at the back are up there with the best in the NRL. Biller Slater, ***the best defensive fullback ever,*** said he was extremely impressed with that aspect of his game.

>

Im going to assume you are too young to have watched Garry Jack play.

I think Slater is probably the best fullback ever but Ive never seen a better defensive FB than Jack

Think KB was a better defensive FB post 1959 myself.

Anybody who agrees with you is showing their age.

 

[Newtown]

I disagree Mbye has every tool needed. I don't think he will run many 80m tries from speed and make constant breaks like Tedesco. I think he is OK but can't see him being a star fullback personally. I think Corey Thomson is better in attack than Mbye.

Think his problem is that he’s an average starting player, but an exceptional 14, as he cover can anywhere in the backline and 9. Would be nice if he can stand up in the off season and make it known where he wants to play, as opposed to the wishy washy “I’m just happy to be in the 17” rubbish.

An exceptional 14 shouldn't ever be a Captain.

 

[Russell]

madden 7 Brooks 6 could work with Douhie at centre with joey L
winger nofo and JAC
fullback Johnston

No room for Talau?

Talau has grown too much to retain his speed,and unless he has absolutely brilliant playmaking qualities as a 6(totally unsighted yet)he is destined for the pigs...just like Curtis Sironen did all those years ago, and Matterson. to the chagrin of both
If yr a large inside back(like Wighton)youve still break tackles ,distribute the ball,& be at least faster than the opposition PROPS(see Talaus Canterbury game).Now we know why he rushes up out of the defensive line
Think Madge has already made wing selection a no go for Talua and will eventually go thru the the elimination process at 3,4 or 6,or directly convert him straight away into a 11 or 12.a.nd bring back the pie warners

You do realise that Talau is not a winger and that he doesn't profess to be a winger.

He is helping out.

 

[Russell]

Im going to say something very controversial. Everytime Mbye has gone back to FB he has looked great in attack, better than AD. Mbye has a stunningly good pass. Mbye has great defence although defending at FB is a different beast. His achilles heel at FB is catching bombs but he hasnt been tasted in the brief stints he has had this year.

Surely catching bombs can be a learned skill. I was a FB as a young bloke and we would practice it for hours and it was a confidence thing. Surely if we had Mbye on a ball machine over christmas he could come good. We would never get value for money but if he is the best in the club there, just do it.

Mbye
Nofo
BJ
AD
Some good fast bloke
Brooks
Madden if the hype is real

If Madden can live up to the hype, this is potentially a backline that could work behind a good pack.

I totally agree re: Mbye. He has every tool needed to be good fullback, if only he could catch bloody bombs. His organisational skills at the back are up there with the best in the NRL. Biller Slater, ***the best defensive fullback ever,*** said he was extremely impressed with that aspect of his game.

>

Im going to assume you are too young to have watched Garry Jack play.

I think Slater is probably the best fullback ever but Ive never seen a better defensive FB than Jack

Think KB was a better defensive FB post 1959 myself.

Anybody who agrees with you is showing their age.

They don't have to, just stating my opinion.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

madden 7 Brooks 6 could work with Douhie at centre with joey L
winger nofo and JAC
fullback Johnston

No room for Talau?

Talau has grown too much to retain his speed,and unless he has absolutely brilliant playmaking qualities as a 6(totally unsighted yet)he is destined for the pigs...just like Curtis Sironen did all those years ago, and Matterson. to the chagrin of both
If yr a large inside back(like Wighton)youve still break tackles ,distribute the ball,& be at least faster than the opposition PROPS(see Talaus Canterbury game).Now we know why he rushes up out of the defensive line
Think Madge has already made wing selection a no go for Talua and will eventually go thru the the elimination process at 3,4 or 6,or directly convert him straight away into a 11 or 12.a.nd bring back the pie warners

You do realise that Talau is not a winger and that he doesn't profess to be a winger.

He is helping out.

There is plenty of centres that have started on the wing and done well. Should not be an excuse imo

 

[Russell]

madden 7 Brooks 6 could work with Douhie at centre with joey L
winger nofo and JAC
fullback Johnston

No room for Talau?

Talau has grown too much to retain his speed,and unless he has absolutely brilliant playmaking qualities as a 6(totally unsighted yet)he is destined for the pigs...just like Curtis Sironen did all those years ago, and Matterson. to the chagrin of both
If yr a large inside back(like Wighton)youve still break tackles ,distribute the ball,& be at least faster than the opposition PROPS(see Talaus Canterbury game).Now we know why he rushes up out of the defensive line
Think Madge has already made wing selection a no go for Talua and will eventually go thru the the elimination process at 3,4 or 6,or directly convert him straight away into a 11 or 12.a.nd bring back the pie warners

You do realise that Talau is not a winger and that he doesn't profess to be a winger.

He is helping out.

There is plenty of centres that have started on the wing and done well. Should not be an excuse imo

That's true, not many the other way though. It is a bit rough when you get lambasted when you are playing out of position though. In my opinion of course.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

madden 7 Brooks 6 could work with Douhie at centre with joey L
winger nofo and JAC
fullback Johnston

No room for Talau?

Talau has grown too much to retain his speed,and unless he has absolutely brilliant playmaking qualities as a 6(totally unsighted yet)he is destined for the pigs...just like Curtis Sironen did all those years ago, and Matterson. to the chagrin of both
If yr a large inside back(like Wighton)youve still break tackles ,distribute the ball,& be at least faster than the opposition PROPS(see Talaus Canterbury game).Now we know why he rushes up out of the defensive line
Think Madge has already made wing selection a no go for Talua and will eventually go thru the the elimination process at 3,4 or 6,or directly convert him straight away into a 11 or 12.a.nd bring back the pie warners

You do realise that Talau is not a winger and that he doesn't profess to be a winger.

He is helping out.

There is plenty of centres that have started on the wing and done well. Should not be an excuse imo

That's true, not many the other way though. It is a bit rough when you get lambasted when you are playing out of position though. In my opinion of course.

I only see what games are on 9 so I’m not criticising him but I don’t like excuses. That trait is the best thing about Madge

 

[WeststigsRdaBest]

With brooks out for that glorious punch I really hope we see madden come in instead of grub