Josh Addo Carr Contract Discussion

[twentyforty]

Just the same our man Brooksy would, if given the chooks pack and backs win 2 gfs. IMO


You don’t really know that, Mitchell Pearce couldn’t do it and he’s played Origin.


Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.


Im looking forward to seeing how Leilua goes for paricularly this reason. Hoping to see him hitting the ball at speed and testing flat footed defences.

Matterson was clearly our best forward last year but I feel he had/has shortcomings. As a secondrower he is kind of not one thing or another. Not your hardworking workhorse and not an impact forward. Kind of in the middle Luciano will be clearly in the impact category.

It’s possible that Mbye could find some holes running off Luciano. imo

 

[Sabre]

Do we have JAC in the bag yet?

48 hours

 

[hsvjones]

Do we have JAC in the bag yet?

Not holding my breath on this one.. Storm would have a big say in this because if a club offers them something they want they will only release to them..

 

[balmain boy]

How much compensation would be a fair deal for JAC?

Salary of 500k + a 200k transfer fee in lieu of not having any players they want to swap for?

 

[Geo]

There are transfer fees in the NRL now...?

 

[avocadoontoast]

There are transfer fees in the NRL now...?

Apparently so. Pascoe can drive down and deliver the transfer fee in cash. They can keep his car too as a little sweetener. He can get the bus back.

 

[Geo]

There are transfer fees in the NRL now...?

Apparently so. Pascoe can drive down and deliver the transfer fee in cash. They can keep his car too as a little sweetener. He can get the bus back.

Pretty sure if they did it would be included in the paying Clubs Salary Cap allotment..

Using the above ex...NRL would take Addo-Carr's value in our cap as 700K..

 

[avocadoontoast]

There are transfer fees in the NRL now...?

Apparently so. Pascoe can drive down and deliver the transfer fee in cash. They can keep his car too as a little sweetener. He can get the bus back.

Pretty sure if they did it would be included in the paying Clubs Salary Cap allotment..

Using the above ex...NRL would take Addo-Carr's value in our cap as 700K..

Well that throws a spanner in the works doesn't it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Do we have JAC in the bag yet?

Not holding my breath on this one.. Storm would have a big say in this because if a club offers them something they want they will only release to them..

Splash the cash. Get the deal done.

 

[jirskyr]

Those stats really don’t show what a fullback should be doing though. Doesn’t state anything about putting a sensible kick into the corner on the last rather than putting up a bomb? Doesn’t say anything about 7 tackles sets conceded through kicks. Doesn’t say anything about organising a side.

Well that's all the NRL offers online.

I guarantee the clubs do have sets on "sensible" kicks and 7 tackle sets conceded. If I'm not mistaken, Brooks ranked highly in repeat sets from kicks, but I couldn't find it. I am sure someone like @wokesmoke would have a lot to say about what can and cannot be quantified in rugby league.

I think someone like @wokesmoke might argue with you about what can and cannot be qualified by statistics, but I totally agree some stuff the fans can't measure, or at least have access to data.

In which case it becomes a discussion of impressions only, and those discussions are mostly pointless, because Person X has their impression and Person Y has there impression. It's like having a conversation about what lavender smells like, or what yellow looks like.

So is Cooper Cronk "more calm under pressure". I bet 95% of people say yes, but how do they come to that conclusion? Impressions alone can be highly misleading and the brain is easily influenced.

Regardless, I'm not making an argument that Brooks is a better footballer than Cronk, I'm making the argument that in the stats you can get your hands on, he easily matches up. And the original point under discussion was whether or not Brooks was in the bottom few halfbacks, or whether he is hindered by an average roster.

 

[jirskyr]

Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

Absolutely. The number of times at the ground, watching lack of shape in the Tigers attack... don't know what Brooksie is supposed to do.

In previous years he's tend to throw hospitals, as his options dried up. He's become, I think, more stayed in attack and willing to take the hit-up if required. He didn't just engage the link a bit more than Cronk in 2019, he nearly doubled him. And Cronk is renowned for digging into the attack and getting belted for his trouble.

That's why Garner is such a revelation, a young-age Lawrence type who knows how to run into a gap and can bump of defenders with his power. Garner just needs more time to develop as he doesn't quite seem to have consistent 80 minutes in him, whereas Lawrence was a revelation the minute he came to grade.

Oh to go back to the days when Benji would shape across-field and have someone like Tuiaki, Lawrence, Dwyer or Ellis to pass to.

 

[TillLindemann]

Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

Absolutely. The number of times at the ground, watching lack of shape in the Tigers attack... don't know what Brooksie is supposed to do.

In previous years he's tend to throw hospitals, as his options dried up. He's become, I think, more stayed in attack and willing to take the hit-up if required. He didn't just engage the link a bit more than Cronk in 2019, he nearly doubled him. And Cronk is renowned for digging into the attack and getting belted for his trouble.

That's why Garner is such a revelation, a young-age Lawrence type who knows how to run into a gap and can bump of defenders with his power. Garner just needs more time to develop as he doesn't quite seem to have consistent 80 minutes in him, whereas Lawrence was a revelation the minute he came to grade.

Oh to go back to the days when Benji would shape across-field and have someone like Tuiaki, Lawrence, Dwyer or Ellis to pass to.

This year Benji'll pass it to two legends in the making, Big Lucy and Talau.

 

[Nelson]

Those stats really don’t show what a fullback should be doing though. Doesn’t state anything about putting a sensible kick into the corner on the last rather than putting up a bomb? Doesn’t say anything about 7 tackles sets conceded through kicks. Doesn’t say anything about organising a side.

Well that's all the NRL offers online.

I guarantee the clubs do have sets on "sensible" kicks and 7 tackle sets conceded. If I'm not mistaken, Brooks ranked highly in repeat sets from kicks, but I couldn't find it. I am sure someone like @wokesmoke would have a lot to say about what can and cannot be quantified in rugby league.

I think someone like @wokesmoke might argue with you about what can and cannot be qualified by statistics, but I totally agree some stuff the fans can't measure, or at least have access to data.

In which case it becomes a discussion of impressions only, and those discussions are mostly pointless, because Person X has their impression and Person Y has there impression. It's like having a conversation about what lavender smells like, or what yellow looks like.

So is Cooper Cronk "more calm under pressure". I bet 95% of people say yes, but how do they come to that conclusion? Impressions alone can be highly misleading and the brain is easily influenced.

Regardless, I'm not making an argument that Brooks is a better footballer than Cronk, I'm making the argument that in the stats you can get your hands on, he easily matches up. And the original point under discussion was whether or not Brooks was in the bottom few halfbacks, or whether he is hindered by an average roster.

It’s recorded in nrlsupercoachstats as KD (a -3 negative play). Brooks was 12th with 4.

 

[Geo]

ummm something something Addo-Carr..

 

[Ponyo]

Josh Addo-Carr hasn’t given up on leaving Melbourne before the upcoming NRL season, with three Sydney clubs on standby – but the Storm winger must wait for the dominoes to fall.

Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
January 16, 2020 5:56pm

Josh Addo Carr’s hopes of getting out of Melbourne this year are being hampered by the Storm’s reluctance release the star winger unless a rival club can offer up a similar quality player in return.

The Daily Telegraph understands the three clubs in the race for Addo-Carr are the Sydney Roosters, Canterbury and St George Illawarra.

The Storm have already agreed to release Addo-Carr for next year but behind the scenes a game is still being played out to get him to Sydney for the 2020 season.

Addo-Carr is going through a management dispute which is only making it more difficult for rival clubs to enter into any negotiations.

But the other issue is said to be the Storm’s so-called unreasonable demands if a player swap was to occur.

While the Storm are selling it as if they are in a position of power, the fact of the matter is that it is Addo-Carr who wants out on compassionate grounds.

But unless Melbourne lower the bar it is unlikely a trade will be done for this year.

The Storm are in a difficult position given they have already lost Will Chambers and Curtis Scott which has left them extremely skinny in the outside backs while both Addo-Carr and Suliasi Vunivalu will be on the move next year, unless of course Addo-Carr leaves early.

The Roosters are considered the favourites to get the star Test winger if a deal can be done.

Meanwhile, Adam Doueihi’s career at South Sydney remains in limbo following Latrell Mitchell’s arrival.

Wayne Bennett had another chat with Doueihi on Thursday and assured the 21-year-old he would not be pushed out of the club if he didn’t want to leave.

The trouble is if Doueihi stays his best hope of cracking an NRL spot will be as a utility off the bench.

While Wests Tigers have shown interest in signing Doueihi there is a push for the Rabbitohs to sweeten the deal by at least picking up some of his $500,000 salary for 2020.

At this point the Rabbitohs have no intention of paying any money to release Doueihi although that could change if Jai Arrow becomes available for this year.

Arrow’s situation at the Gold Coast hasn’t changed with the Titans still not budging on an early release, although that could also change if Gold Coast can find a suitable replacement.

The Daily Telegraph reported on Wednesday that star Cronulla prop Andrew Fifita had been tossed up as a possible replacement for Arrow.

Although both the Sharks and Titans have denied any knowledge of the Fifita speculation, rival clubs are aware that Cronulla has its own salary cap concerns.

And it would not surprise to see further Sharks players linked with rival clubs in the countdown to the season.

 

[tiga4eva]

So, were not even in the hunt for him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[avocadoontoast]

So, were not even in the hunt for him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Don’t worry if we are Chairman Lee will let us all know about it.

 

[cochise]

Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

Absolutely. The number of times at the ground, watching lack of shape in the Tigers attack... don't know what Brooksie is supposed to do.

In previous years he's tend to throw hospitals, as his options dried up. He's become, I think, more stayed in attack and willing to take the hit-up if required. He didn't just engage the link a bit more than Cronk in 2019, he nearly doubled him. And Cronk is renowned for digging into the attack and getting belted for his trouble.

That's why Garner is such a revelation, a young-age Lawrence type who knows how to run into a gap and can bump of defenders with his power. Garner just needs more time to develop as he doesn't quite seem to have consistent 80 minutes in him, whereas Lawrence was a revelation the minute he came to grade.

Oh to go back to the days when Benji would shape across-field and have someone like Tuiaki, Lawrence, Dwyer or Ellis to pass to.

I feel like I am disagreeing with you a lot at the moment but this post is spot on, especially the evaluation of Garner and Lawrence!

 

[Geo]

Gee imagine if Brooksey had Addo-Carr outside him as an option to hit with a cut out instead of the flat ball to the backrower..

 

[tiga4eva]

So, were not even in the hunt for him ????????

Don’t worry if we are Chairman Lee will let us all know about it.

GOLD!!!!