Josh Aloiai #190

[clontarfkid]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

He is a good prop, not worth $600k so will be gone in 12 months anyway.

Agree...but weve gotta learn to manage our cap both ways.If we get stuck with the Packers and Reynolds for their full term,then lets ensure our guys who weve invested in and improve get to play out their full contracted term too.It works both ways for other well run clubs
We are definitely NOT in that category
And the empty promises of mowing the lawns are just that
What sort of precedent does that ..well..confirm..yet again

I don't care about the precedent as it doesn't fix this, if we didn't have Packer and Reynolds then maybe we could afford to play hardball. That is not where we are though so we have to act in a way that improves our roster, playing Aloiai in reserves doesn't fix our roster. Let him go and get someone else here, who is a part of our future, instead of wasting money on a weak minded individual.

Nothing "fixes"this...but its about preventing it from happeneing again..and again

 

[avocadoontoast]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

So we know without doubt that we made a firm binding offer, and we also know without doubt that he accepted that firm binding offer?

Not from what I understand.

That’s what the Pom said. His info is usually pretty good.

I agree. The Poms info is usually better than most.

But a direct quote from McIntyre himself on foxsports after he signed with the Titans....." I never received a formal offer though".

For whatever reason, the narrative has gotten out of control and probably involves media, player managers or the usual journos as they pump their agenda.

As I understand and from what Ive read from direct quotes, it would appear WT may have considered to keep him if no other options appeared and they were desperate to fill their spots. He was not a priority. In years gone by, we would have panic bought him and regretted it later.

I'd say it is the complete opposite to mismanagement and it is time we called these claims out. id say its responsible management!

So you are saying that when the Pom said it was managements fault, he was incorrect?

 

[TigerWest]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

Who cares, it was McIntyre.

Regardless it’s not great management. Also means we now have to sign Seyfarth who is much worse

I think McIntyre was a keeper, I thought the club did to, but I think we were in a transition of process and new managers and it was just over looked, not good but it happens and we need to move on.


In this time and age, overlooked don't think so. Offered a 1-year contract extension, got a better deal elsewhere let's move on. Madge must have a reason if he is thinking about letting Gardner go as well and I would think that we could agree that Gardner is a better player

I’m pretty sure The Pom said they getting it done, but McIntyre said no one offered him anything?

 

[cochise]

If thats true about Aloai,Im embarrased about yet another rollover
Genuinely gobsmacked we can roll over for a 3rd tim,e when most others dont.
We need new management..seriously

We need new players.

WE definitely do...but not giving up one of our best!!

He is a good prop, not worth $600k so will be gone in 12 months anyway.

Agree...but weve gotta learn to manage our cap both ways.If we get stuck with the Packers and Reynolds for their full term,then lets ensure our guys who weve invested in and improve get to play out their full contracted term too.It works both ways for other well run clubs
We are definitely NOT in that category
And the empty promises of mowing the lawns are just that
What sort of precedent does that ..well..confirm..yet again

I don't care about the precedent as it doesn't fix this, if we didn't have Packer and Reynolds then maybe we could afford to play hardball. That is not where we are though so we have to act in a way that improves our roster, playing Aloiai in reserves doesn't fix our roster. Let him go and get someone else here, who is a part of our future, instead of wasting money on a weak minded individual.

Nothing "fixes"this...but its about preventing it from happeneing again..and again

Punishing JA doesn't prevent it from happening again, getting the rules changed does.

 

[Swordy]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.

So we know without doubt that we made a firm binding offer, and we also know without doubt that he accepted that firm binding offer?

Not from what I understand.

That’s what the Pom said. His info is usually pretty good.

I agree. The Poms info is usually better than most.

But a direct quote from McIntyre himself on foxsports after he signed with the Titans....." I never received a formal offer though".

For whatever reason, the narrative has gotten out of control and probably involves media, player managers or the usual journos as they pump their agenda.

As I understand and from what Ive read from direct quotes, it would appear WT may have considered to keep him if no other options appeared and they were desperate to fill their spots. He was not a priority. In years gone by, we would have panic bought him and regretted it later.

I'd say it is the complete opposite to mismanagement and it is time we called these claims out. id say its responsible management!

So you are saying that when the Pom said it was managements fault, he was incorrect?

I've already shared my view in that Poms information is better than most. I'm not on the forum to put others down or lift others up, just to share some facts.
You can make up your own mind on whether or not Pom is correct, partly correct or incorrect. Youre a big boy. Youve seen what Pom wrote, youve seen what McIntyre said. Now answer youre own question. 🙂

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Our club may get monetary compensation for Aloiai, but because they will never disclose finances, the optics look really bad. It looks like we get nothing, even if it’s not true.

 

[JC99]

Our club may get monetary compensation for Aloiai, but because they will never disclose finances, the optics look really bad. It looks like we get nothing, even if it’s not true.

At they very least they should say they got an undisclosed fee from manly for the deal. That’s what dragons did

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2021-teams-josh-aloiai-to-manly-joe-ofahengaue-to-wests-tigers/news-story/ac197b04e815c7cadd8f711948204f43

 

[GNR4LIFE]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2021-teams-josh-aloiai-to-manly-joe-ofahengaue-to-wests-tigers/news-story/ac197b04e815c7cadd8f711948204f43

Say no to paywalls

 

[coivtny]

Our club may get monetary compensation for Aloiai, but because they will never disclose finances, the optics look really bad. It looks like we get nothing, even if it’s not true.

At they very least they should say they got an undisclosed fee from manly for the deal. That’s what dragons did

Spot on. Undisclosed fee and Wests Tigers are satisfied with the outcome.

 

[balmain boy]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

 

[Sully]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

It was mentioned they left a contract that had been agreed to terms unsigned by Sam for 2 weeks as they focussed on JAC as he was more a priority. That is incompetent. As it played out we lost both however I don’t blame them for JAC.

 

[Telltails]

I would have liked us to make him fufill his contract. Manly were never going to give us any player to match, and monetary compensation does not equate to what we lose imo - both in player or image. I could cop Matterson but to have it happen a second time we needed to set a precedent and then it would have been up to JA to get on with it or not.

 

[Swordy]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

It was mentioned they left a contract that had been agreed to terms unsigned by Sam for 2 weeks as they focussed on JAC as he was more a priority. That is incompetent. As it played out we lost both however I don’t blame them for JAC.

It might have been 'mentioned', but I believe the facts are different. There are many possibilities.

I believe McIntyre was expendable and so they left wiggle room for $$ for JAC at the expense of McIntyre. In the interim, JAC has not come and McIntrye has signed somewhere else. I wish him well. My opinion and that of others is that he isnt that good. Some have the opinion he IS that good. Thats just the way it is. If they truly wanted McIntyre, he would be signed.

Its not incompetent management at all.

I think the issue is that the contract was 'supposedly left in the cupboard for 2 weeks and they forgot'. I dont believe that for one second.

 

[TigerWest]

I would have liked us to make him fufill his contract. Manly were never going to give us any player to match, and monetary compensation does not equate to what we lose imo - both in player or image. I could cop Matterson but to have it happen a second time we needed to set a precedent and then it would have been up to JA to get on with it or not.

He hasn’t gone yet.

 

[Geo]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

 

[bptiger]

The bottom line here is , this is two years in a row we have lost two forwards we wanted to keep , if u don’t stop this it will keep happening, some times u have to take a st

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

 

[Geo]

It's not possible that Aloiai is released for free. The question is are manly giving us cash to spend on facilities, equipment etc, or are they chipping in to big Joe's salary? The Latter is certainly preferable and would give us an extra few hundred k to spend on our remaining spots.
250k to help fit out the new gym won't exactly go astray though, it just won't help us on field

It doesn’t work that way if they are giving us cash for Aloiai ...that amount comes out of their cap allowance..and goes into our bottom line..doesn’t increase our cap ..Wests Tigers may use it’s they wish...pay players our update the dunny rolls to Quilten

Could it be used to make up the shortfall in cap next year with the cuts?

Not sure what you mean the Salary Cap is a nominal figure you can spend on players..if it’s reduced it’s reduced..you can’t spend over it.. that’s cheating

 

[fibrodreaming]

Its not incompetent management at all.
I think the issue is that the contract was ‘supposedly left in the cupboard for 2 weeks and they forgot’. I dont believe that for one second.

I agree.

I think we were happy to keep McIntyre IF nothing better came along. It appears that we agreed terms and then delayed finalising the deal while we monitored the movements in the market.