Justin Pascoe on 2ky 8am today

[happy_tiger]

Do we have to question the signing on Oliver Clark

Was the signing necessary or helping Penrith out

We have to question almost everything Cleary has done from mid 2018 onwards recruitment retention wise , players he let go ….....

Does Cleary bring the game into disrepute .........?? Does the NRL have to look into his dealing with the club ......??

A good point, well made.
I wonder if Pascoe and Go are questioning this aspect of the charade, and if they are talking to the NRL about it.

It's worth a look, but I think they changed the recruitment a few years back to remove the risk of getting into trouble with backloaded contracts. It's a team of guys, rather than just the coach. Pretty sure it includes Pascoe and Egan in the decision.

I agree Russell and believe the NRL should investigate his decision making at the Club insofar as recruitment and retention is concerned. I question the departure of Moses and subsequent recruitment of Reynolds. Reynolds is a fine player but Moses is an x factor player whom we badly need. Maguire certainly would have changed him.

If Reynolds skill/fitness and enthusiasm were on the same level we would be on a winner

Unfortunately I think Reynolds mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore

 

[Pawsandclaws]

A good point, well made.
I wonder if Pascoe and Go are questioning this aspect of the charade, and if they are talking to the NRL about it.

It's worth a look, but I think they changed the recruitment a few years back to remove the risk of getting into trouble with backloaded contracts. It's a team of guys, rather than just the coach. Pretty sure it includes Pascoe and Egan in the decision.

I agree Russell and believe the NRL should investigate his decision making at the Club insofar as recruitment and retention is concerned. I question the departure of Moses and subsequent recruitment of Reynolds. Reynolds is a fine player but Moses is an x factor player whom we badly need. Maguire certainly would have changed him.

If Reynolds skill/fitness and enthusiasm were on the same level we would be on a winner

Unfortunately I think Reynolds mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore

He has had a wretched run of injuries and would probably enjoy the softer UK grounds.

 

[innsaneink]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

Yeah…I cant see him bringing back a kick return like Boyd or Slater charging 110% back into the defence.....hed be veering across field dropping it off for his wingers...like Timid did
He doesnt like taking the ball to the line

 

[GNR4LIFE]

It's worth a look, but I think they changed the recruitment a few years back to remove the risk of getting into trouble with backloaded contracts. It's a team of guys, rather than just the coach. Pretty sure it includes Pascoe and Egan in the decision.

I agree Russell and believe the NRL should investigate his decision making at the Club insofar as recruitment and retention is concerned. I question the departure of Moses and subsequent recruitment of Reynolds. Reynolds is a fine player but Moses is an x factor player whom we badly need. Maguire certainly would have changed him.

If Reynolds skill/fitness and enthusiasm were on the same level we would be on a winner

Unfortunately I think Reynolds mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore

He has had a wretched run of injuries and would probably enjoy the softer UK grounds.

I’m sure his hammies would love the English weather.

 

[tiger05premier]

‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

Well said. He's got a better business head on his shoulders than Greenberg does.

So we're not going to lose him to the NRL

They are only hire peanuts

Just hope he stays with us long term

The club is certainly on the rise with him in charge

I asked this of Pascoe recently. His exact reply was “don’t worry, I’m here for the long haul.”

Good to hear

 

[tiger05premier]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

If he played fullback and they made a highlights reel of the most embarrassing moments on a rugby league field Moses would take up the entire highlights package

No other player would get a look in

 

[The_Patriot]

It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on

As i said in another post its a little too easy to hide behind the 'ill wait till its official' thing. Thats all well and good if you play nice and respect other peoples options. For some however its just a get out of jail free card to have a go at people.

 

[Russell]

I question the departure of Moses and subsequent recruitment of Reynolds. Reynolds is a fine player but Moses is an x factor player whom we badly need. Maguire certainly would have changed him.

If Maguire wants him, he could pick him up much cheaper now.

True and I hope we have another look at him. A dose of humility after being moved on might be the making of him within Maguire's strict regime.

Better not - the kids got mental issues and he is a tanker.

 

[innsaneink]

Brent read on MMM reckons his attitudes improved immensely and he's put on a truckload of muscle

 

[Geo]

Congratulations to all those who put 2 and 2 together..have a gold star well done..lucky no one lost a house..

 

[innsaneink]

Nothing like blowing your own trumpet while wetting a baited line… Very impressive

 

[Joel Helmes]

I question the departure of Moses and subsequent recruitment of Reynolds. Reynolds is a fine player but Moses is an x factor player whom we badly need. Maguire certainly would have changed him.

If Maguire wants him, he could pick him up much cheaper now.

True and I hope we have another look at him. A dose of humility after being moved on might be the making of him within Maguire's strict regime.

Better not - the kids got mental issues and he is a tanker.

Wait, Mitch Moses? Really? Umm no thanks.

 

[Spartan117]

What have I missed

MM returning to the Tigers…..???????? Really

 

[WT2K]

A pascoe topic turned into a MM topic.. I'm impressed tbh.

 

[851]

It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on

As i said in another post its a little too easy to hide behind the 'ill wait till its official' thing. Thats all well and good if you play nice and respect other peoples options. For some however its just a get out of jail free card to have a go at people.

I was called all sorts of things, basically saying I am gullable and beleive the dirty media. Was told I was melodramatic, amongst other things, by more than one member. The media had nothing to do with my opinion, it was based on Ivan hiding, a prepared statement with no questions, when the whole thing blew up, Ivan was no where to be seen.
And I got sick to death of the Ivan has already responded, he is staying until his contract ends, how many times do you have to be told,. Well I just wanted to be told once with something more than a prepared statement that left more questions than answers.
But I am happy with the result, Madge should be good for us

 

[OldMagpie]

Wonder if he told the Tigers to throw the kitchen sink at Nathan so that Penrith would maximise their offer.

Lowballed us to the end… What a scumbag.

It’s funny how it is all now coming together. When I think back to that Thursday night at Leichhardt Oval,When Nathan Cleary was sitting with his family in the family grandstand. That was nothing, other than to play the Cleary family Contract money up at Penrith & get Gould thinking.
Also, when looking back at Ivan when he was coaching Penrith in the coaching box, you could see him riding the waves of emotion, jumping up when they scored, he showed emotion. That is also something he never did with us.

 

[sideline_eye]

It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on

As i said in another post its a little too easy to hide behind the 'ill wait till its official' thing. Thats all well and good if you play nice and respect other peoples options. For some however its just a get out of jail free card to have a go at people.

I was called all sorts of things, basically saying I am gullable and beleive the dirty media. Was told I was melodramatic, amongst other things, by more than one member. The media had nothing to do with my opinion, it was based on Ivan hiding, a prepared statement with no questions, when the whole thing blew up, Ivan was no where to be seen.
And I got sick to death of the Ivan has already responded, he is staying until his contract ends, how many times do you have to be told,. Well I just wanted to be told once with something more than a prepared statement that left more questions than answers.
But I am happy with the result, Madge should be good for us

Yeah, it's not my go to criticise somebody for their opinions but i reserve the right to disagree. I was with Ivan, who I thought was an honourable man, right up until THE POM posted that he was not going to be head coach next year unless he met certain conditions. That was when I knew that I'd had the wool pulled over my eyes by someone motivated purely by self interest. Well, what goes around comes around, so I do think Ivan will get his comeuppance in due course.

 

[tiger05premier]

It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on

As i said in another post its a little too easy to hide behind the 'ill wait till its official' thing. Thats all well and good if you play nice and respect other peoples options. For some however its just a get out of jail free card to have a go at people.

I was called all sorts of things, basically saying I am gullable and beleive the dirty media. Was told I was melodramatic, amongst other things, by more than one member. The media had nothing to do with my opinion, it was based on Ivan hiding, a prepared statement with no questions, when the whole thing blew up, Ivan was no where to be seen.
And I got sick to death of the Ivan has already responded, he is staying until his contract ends, how many times do you have to be told,. Well I just wanted to be told once with something more than a prepared statement that left more questions than answers.
But I am happy with the result, Madge should be good for us

Agree with all posts

Ot was obvious something was going on

 

[innsaneink]

It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on

As i said in another post its a little too easy to hide behind the 'ill wait till its official' thing. Thats all well and good if you play nice and respect other peoples options. For some however its just a get out of jail free card to have a go at people.

I was called all sorts of things, basically saying I am gullable and beleive the dirty media. Was told I was melodramatic, amongst other things, by more than one member. The media had nothing to do with my opinion, it was based on Ivan hiding, a prepared statement with no questions, when the whole thing blew up, Ivan was no where to be seen.
And I got sick to death of the Ivan has already responded, he is staying until his contract ends, how many times do you have to be told,. Well I just wanted to be told once with something more than a prepared statement that left more questions than answers.
But I am happy with the result, Madge should be good for us

Congrats 851
Well done
We should have a gold star emoticon amongst our smileys

 

[innsaneink]

Agree with all posts

Ot was obvious something was going on

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