Justin Pascoe on 2ky 8am today

[clokan]

While I'm no fan of Gould, maybe he hasn't mastered this at all. Cleary, by some accounts, instigated his move to Penrith, and I believe has been working toward it for some time. Remember Gould saying when the truth comes out people will see it's not on him. Cleary gets one over on Gould, gets his multi million dollar payout for himself and his kid. Since everyone believes Gould orchestrated this he surely can't sack Clearly as he would look like a fool paying out a million a year. Clearly may have played Gus into a corner.

I don’t believe Gould one bit. Being passive about it but knowing exactly what is going on and what the outcome will be is not the same as not being involved. He could just sit back and watch it unfold, as long as it went his way. Having said that I think Penrith have stuffed up big time here. I don’t see what IC brings apart from keeping NC there. Gould raves about NC like he is the next Fitler. Time will tell but keeping NC surely must be the only reason to have IC there.

I don't think Gould didn't know what was going on, but I believe that he may have been played. Cleary would have known Gus wanted Nathan (at all costs)and used that against him. Gus has lost a lot of credibility, he wouldn't have planned it this way and I expect he wouldn't have gotten rid of Hook just a few weeks out from the finals, I believe he was told to do it. I expect this will be Goulds final year at the Panthers.

 

[mike]

If Maguire wants him, he could pick him up much cheaper now.

True and I hope we have another look at him. A dose of humility after being moved on might be the making of him within Maguire's strict regime.

But _MOSES_ has to feel that dose of humility. Not just the wider NRL community assuming that he has.
I doubt he sees the need to feel any humility at all.

I understand the strong feeling toward him. I believe we should give him another chance. He is a match winner, provides that x factor and is one of our local juniors. As Masterton mentioned, we could pick him up at a more reasonable rate.

And how long do you think it would be before he dogs it again? Can’t trust the boy and I hope his file is stamped never to be employed again.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

True and I hope we have another look at him. A dose of humility after being moved on might be the making of him within Maguire's strict regime.

But _MOSES_ has to feel that dose of humility. Not just the wider NRL community assuming that he has.
I doubt he sees the need to feel any humility at all.

I understand the strong feeling toward him. I believe we should give him another chance. He is a match winner, provides that x factor and is one of our local juniors. As Masterton mentioned, we could pick him up at a more reasonable rate.

And how long do you think it would be before he dogs it again? Can’t trust the boy and I hope his file is stamped never to be employed again.

We're a different club now despite IC doing the runner. Strong leadership at the top, a noted disciplinarian appointed as coach and a tough leader in Packer. I would be comfortable bringing him back **at the right price** to prove himself.

 

[mike]

But _MOSES_ has to feel that dose of humility. Not just the wider NRL community assuming that he has.
I doubt he sees the need to feel any humility at all.

I understand the strong feeling toward him. I believe we should give him another chance. He is a match winner, provides that x factor and is one of our local juniors. As Masterton mentioned, we could pick him up at a more reasonable rate.

And how long do you think it would be before he dogs it again? Can’t trust the boy and I hope his file is stamped never to be employed again.

We're a different club now despite IC doing the runner. Strong leadership at the top, a noted disciplinarian appointed as coach and a tough leader in Packer. I would be comfortable bringing him back **at the right price** to prove himself.

Moses would have to be paying the Wests Tigers a lot to be let back in the front door.

 

[Nelson]

I can see where our team could fit in a woman beater, another who threatens a woman by email and half a dozen other scumbags and lowlifes. Perhaps the club would make a special release of beater shirts for fans! But, wanting to bring home one of our own who has a bit of an attitude problem, absolutely no way!

It's not just a bit of an attitude problem, he dogged his teammates. He broke trust. It would be like bringing Tim Simona back.

The comparison with wife beaters etc. isn't really valid. That disgraceful behaviour isn't a slight against the club itself, it's a slight against the community as a whole. While the club could choose to take a stand on behalf of the community and not take on wife beaters etc. they would put themselves at a disadvantage to other clubs by doing that. I'm fine if they want to do that but it's a separate issue to whether or not they would take back a player who has disgraced the jersey by betraying their teammates.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Are we really that desperate that we would consider bringing Moses back? I can't see the value there.

 

[jadtiger]

But _MOSES_ has to feel that dose of humility. Not just the wider NRL community assuming that he has.
I doubt he sees the need to feel any humility at all.

I understand the strong feeling toward him. I believe we should give him another chance. He is a match winner, provides that x factor and is one of our local juniors. As Masterton mentioned, we could pick him up at a more reasonable rate.

And how long do you think it would be before he dogs it again? Can’t trust the boy and I hope his file is stamped never to be employed again.

We're a different club now despite IC doing the runner. Strong leadership at the top, a noted disciplinarian appointed as coach and a tough leader in Packer. I would be comfortable bringing him back **at the right price** to prove himself.

We do have strong leadership now and that is why moses should never be bought back to the club.If a snake bites you dont go near it again

 

[Geo]

Moses works so well with Luke Brooks…did wonders for Cory Norman and Gutho also..

P.S. lets get Gutho..knows the words to Eye of the Tiger..

 

[NT_Tiger]

I have to admit, his tantys are entertaining. Preferably in another team though.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

‘They feel betrayed’: Enough of the coach poach, says Tigers boss

TIGERS chief executive Justin Pascoe says the Ivan Cleary saga is damaging and the NRL must act to ensure the game’s integrity remains intact going forward.

AAP OCTOBER 30, 20182:06PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe says the NRL must stop coach poaching to ensure the game’s integrity after claiming the joint venture’s fans felt betrayed by departing mentor Ivan Cleary.

Pascoe urged the NRL to adopt a system where coaches can only be approached by rivals when off contract, just like players, after Cleary was released from the final two years of his Tigers deal to return to Penrith.

The Tigers chief said the NRL must ensure coaches are not courted by other clubs until the final year of their contract to avoid a repeat of what the joint venture endured as speculation swirled around Cleary’s future.

While Pascoe was thrilled to have signed Michael Maguire as Cleary’s replacement, the Tigers boss said the rules for poaching coaches had to change.

The topic is expected to be discussed at the NRL CEOs meeting next month.

“I am a big advocate of following the same principles that we do with players, which is they shouldn’t be allowed to speak with coaches until they are in the final year of their contract,” Pascoe told Sky Sports Radio.

“There are many, especially in the media, that are advocates that this sort of disruption is good for the game, that it attracts back page press for the game.

“But when you are looking at trying to get extra revenue into the game and get those corporates attracted to the game what resonates is that there is a lack of integrity that exists around contracts and contract obligations.

“I think the disruption is bad for the game. I don’t think it brings positivity around the game at all.”

Former South Sydney premiership-winning coach Maguire signed a three-year Tigers deal after Cleary confirmed he would leave mid-contract and take up a five-season Panthers offer.

Pascoe said he was “blown away” when Cleary first told him he wanted to leave but looked forward to welcoming New Zealand coach Maguire, who will link with the club mid-November after the Kiwis’ three-Test England series.

“People believe in coaches, they believe in trusting coaches and when that trust is broken they feel betrayed and I think they (Tigers fans) have a right to (feel) that,” Pascoe said of Cleary’s departure.

“But I think they will be very happy in that we were able to secure a fantastic coach in Michael Maguire.

“He’s got a great record and we look forward to him emulating that with us.”

Well said. He's got a better business head on his shoulders than Greenberg does.

So we're not going to lose him to the NRL

They are only hire peanuts

Just hope he stays with us long term

The club is certainly on the rise with him in charge

I asked this of Pascoe recently. His exact reply was “don’t worry, I’m here for the long haul.”

 

[Glennb]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

 

[jadtiger]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

He certainly wouldnt miss any tackles at fullback he would be too busy making sure he was nowhere near the attacking player

 

[Tiger_Steve]

True and I hope we have another look at him. A dose of humility after being moved on might be the making of him within Maguire's strict regime.

But _MOSES_ has to feel that dose of humility. Not just the wider NRL community assuming that he has.
I doubt he sees the need to feel any humility at all.

I understand the strong feeling toward him. I believe we should give him another chance. He is a match winner, provides that x factor and is one of our local juniors. As Masterton mentioned, we could pick him up at a more reasonable rate.

You've got to be taking the piss. He shouldn't be allowed near our club again. If you want us to have any credibility we need to be looking at smarter options, not a selfish tool that cant tackle.

There are only 2 things that would stop me following the Tigers:
1\. Death
2\. Moses returning

 

[The_Patriot]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

He certainly wouldnt miss any tackles at fullback he would be too busy making sure he was nowhere near the attacking player

Oh you guys mean like Tedesco.

Fair enough.

 

[Glennb]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

He certainly wouldnt miss any tackles at fullback he would be too busy making sure he was nowhere near the attacking player

Agreed. Same method he has used this year to reduce his "missed tackles". I am more thinking of kick returns. Remember Moltzens 20m passes to find a winger when he was at fullback. Moses would make it an artform.

 

[Telltails]

Ha - Mitchy still most hated player ever.
He needs Bellamy, but not sure if Bellamy needs him.

 

[jadtiger]

Ha - Mitchy still most hated player ever.
He needs Bellamy, but not sure if Bellamy needs him.

Poor old mitch wouldnt know what to do with all the expletives directed at him in the dressing room from his coach.He would have a nervous breakdown.

 

[jadtiger]

Moses could make a good fullback with the right coach. Doesnt have the composure to play 6.

Moses at fullback would be Tim Moltzen 2.0\. Doesnt have the cajones for it. Will not put himself in harms way.

He certainly wouldnt miss any tackles at fullback he would be too busy making sure he was nowhere near the attacking player

Agreed. Same method he has used this year to reduce his "missed tackles". I am more thinking of kick returns. Remember Moltzens 20m passes to find a winger when he was at fullback. Moses would make it an artform.

Yes he used to throw passes to wingers who were in a worse position than he was

 

[TIGERPOWER]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/tigers-ceo-justin-pascoe-backs-decision-to-replace-ivan-cleary-with-michael-maguire/news-story/6c9efdce1de02bb06269f277543ab545
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Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe backs decision to replace Ivan Cleary with Michael Maguire

Mark St John

October 30, 2018 9:02am

TIGERS CEO Justin Pascoe has offered a subtle parting shot at outgoing coach Ivan Cleary, before praising the appointment of Michael Maguire.

The New Zealand coach will take over from Cleary who has returned to Penrith on a mega deal that cut short his Tigers contract by two seasons.

Pascoe opened up on the reasons for signing Maguire, with his grand final winning pedigree right at the top of the list.

“When we started this process of looking through the options around the situation we were put in 12 or 14 weeks ago, we were committed to the fact that we wanted a coach with grand final winning experience,” Pascoe said.

“We wanted a coach with a fierce determination to win and Michael has certainly demonstrated that.

“He’s got a real passion to make sure this is a sustainable club for the long term. He’s got a passion and care for individual players and for pathways and development in our local region.

“So he was a very suitable candidate and a great announcement.”
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The Tigers will now enter preseason with a coach fully committed to the long-term success of the club.

Pascoe remained determined throughout the process to find an outcome that would best serve the club and its fans.

“This has been a situation that was complex from the beginning and we wanted a favourable outcome,” Pascoe said.

“My sole responsibility is to our fans, our players, our stakeholders and staff, that the club was put first.

“It has been a challenging 12 weeks because when you are trying to exit one coach and acquire another one

Pascoe was delighted with the interest in the head coaching position and was quick to point out that while Maguire was the best candidate he was not alone.

“It is exciting that we have had 10 to 12 people with a genuine interest in coming to coach this club,” Pascoe said.

“It is a credit to everyone involved and the players, that the way they play and the standards they have set themselves are a real attraction to people that want to come here and coach.”

However, after meeting with Maguire, Pascoe believes there is no better man to coach the side over the next three seasons.

Maguire is currently in the UK coaching the Kiwis in a three Test series against England, but will return after the tour to continue preseason training with the players.

“Michael will join the club on the 15th after his commitments with the New Zealand team finish in the UK,” Pascoe said.

“I think he is going to be outstanding and all the players and staff are excited that he is coming to the club.

“The passion that he showed us is just a fierce determination to win and that’s what this club needs.”

Pretty much confirms what most of us knew, Cleary asked for a release very early on, probably before that prepared statement.

Well spotted.

So much rubbish and carry on by people refusing to believe this was happening. Lost track of the threads Willow closed.

I like that Pascoe is choosing his words carefully and saying just enough to make it clear what happened.

Funny how everyone wanted to have a go at anyone who put 2 and 2 together and could see through Cleary from the minute this all came out. From the fact it took Ivan a week to respond and then reading from a written statement it was clear as day he didn’t want to be here. Glad the truth finally came out for the world and some on here to see.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Why would people whose preference to wait for official announcements rather than rely on media speculation, guessing that we know for a fact is often wrong be "hiding"?
I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with this but you Patriot?

No one ever knows what your saying because you haven’t learnt to use the quote button.

I, like patriot also found it a big problem. It’s one thing to want to wait for something official and another thing to criticise and jump on anyone who could see through Cleary and used common sense to determine what was going on without any official confirmation. Some on here will definitely be feeling pretty silly about how they carried on.