Kangaroos loss not coach's fault, says Benji

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Kangaroos loss not coach's fault, says Benji
Glenn Jackson
November 15, 2010

NEW Zealand captain Benji Marshall said he would be shattered if his side's Four Nations victory - inspired by his own brilliance - came at the expense of the Australian coach Tim Sheens, his Wests Tigers mentor.

The last two Australian coaches to lose finals promptly fell on their swords, so Sheens faces an uncertain future after the Kangaroos' 16-12 loss in Brisbane on Saturday night.

Even the coach admitted beforehand he might not be re-hired if his side became the latest Test outfit to succumb to the Kiwis in a decider.

Advertisement: Story continues below But Marshall, whose last-ditch heroics sealed the Kangaroos' fate, said he couldn't comprehend Sheens finding himself under pressure.

''They had the best player in the world missing in Johnathan Thurston and they had a pretty solid campaign,'' Marshall said.

''To lose like that, it would be heartbreaking. But he's a great coach. He's the best in the world in my eyes. I'd be shattered for him [if he lost the job].''

In 2005, after a shock loss in the Tri-Nations final, Australian coach Wayne Bennett infamously left Brisbane Airport the back way and lost his job soon after. In 2008, after the World Cup final, Ricky Stuart abused referee Ashley Klein and subsequently stood down.

Sheens was a little more gracious but even though he would be well aware that the post-mortems will inevitably focus on him, he was tight-lipped about his future after the loss.

''I'm not thinking about that at the moment,'' Sheens said. ''I don't think anyone in this Australian side is thinking about anything other than the disappointment.''

He said he would discuss the position with his club side before making a decision.

Of course, the ARL might decide to hand the reins to someone else, and the looming arrival of the independent commission clouds the issue. Until rugby league's future is settled, the national coach is unlikely to be decided. That said, the Australian players gave Sheens their backing.

''I think it'd be a little bit unfair to look elsewhere,'' hooker Cameron Smith said. ''It's the first game he's lost as an Australian coach. He's had one draw, one loss and the rest are wins. It's a pretty fair record.

''All the boys really enjoyed playing under Sheensy. I've learnt a couple of things from him. That's what the good coaches do, they always bring something to all their players and make their players better each time they coach them.

''I think it'd be a pretty tough call to ask him to step aside.''

Fullback Billy Slater said: ''The coach wasn't out there letting the Kiwis in our half. I think Tim's done a great job.''
 
I am sure Sheens will get another tilt at the job. On the WT front, it is great to have your head coach wearing that second hat as he acts as a great add for the recruitment of the highest quality player to our club.
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as for the 2010 four Nations >> A squad marred with injury to first choice players and the blooding of a few very deserved youngsters was going to be a challenge for any coach.

No other coach has better credentials to continue the charge to regain the mantle that Australia has loaned the Kiwis for a brief period.

The Kiwis were a bit lucky in the end but this is great for the game we love so much.
 
Tim may get another go at it, although Ricky Stuart had a W/L record as Australian coach of 12/1 or something along those lines (his only loss being the world cup final) and he was sacked, so you never know.
 
@Marshall_magic said:
Tim may get another go at it, although Ricky Stuart had a W/L record as Australian coach of 12/1 or something along those lines (his only loss being the world cup final) and he was sacked, so you never know.

Ricky Stuart wasn't sacked for that one loss. He was sacked for abusing a referee.
 
@Mrs T said:
@Marshall_magic said:
Tim may get another go at it, although Ricky Stuart had a W/L record as Australian coach of 12/1 or something along those lines (his only loss being the world cup final) and he was sacked, so you never know.

Ricky Stuart wasn't sacked for that one loss. He was sacked for abusing a referee.

Oops, sorry, not sacked - he stood down.
 
I would rather have him coach NSW than Australia. I for one believe, he is a really good coach at a rep level and I believe the only coach to turn the Blues around. So, if he loses the Australian job and gets hired by the Blues, I will be happier :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
 
@tig_prmz said:
I would rather have him coach NSW than Australia. I for one believe, he is a really good coach at a rep level and I believe the only coach to turn the Blues around. So, if he loses the Australian job and gets hired by the Blues, I will be happier :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The NSW job is full-time independent from club duties as of next year - so he would also have to leave the Tigers!

I'm a Tiger first - Blue 2nd and Aussie 3rd when it comes the rugby league - so I'd rather he keep both his current roles for now!
 
It will be interesting to see who gets the NSW Origin coaching job. I can't think of a suitable candidate particularly since they will not be a club coach. Success will only be achieved by NSW if the team is picked on form not past reputation, if it were possible, keep the politics out of selections. IMO origing success depends significantly on the calibre of the players and to a lesser degree the coach. Success goes in cycles and largely matches the playing strength available so to concentrate on the coach more than selection process and players will see another maroon victory which is starting to make SOO less interesting to follow, the way it has run in the recent past I get more enjoyment out of watching the premiership.
 
Ricky Stuart HAS to get the NSW gig, it's a no brainer, he is easily the best candidate. Sure he's an average coach at club level, but it's not like Meninga was any better when he coached the Raiders. He was the last coach to be in charge of a NSW series win and he has passion for the jersey, would be 100x better than Bellamy, Murray or any other joker they'd put in.
 
It was only Sheens' first loss as Australian coach. He should be the Kangaroos coach again next year but if we don't win the 4 nations next year then he is gone.
 
@Marshall_magic said:
Ricky Stuart HAS to get the NSW gig, it's a no brainer, he is easily the best candidate. Sure he's an average coach at club level, but it's not like Meninga was any better when he coached the Raiders. He was the last coach to be in charge of a NSW series win and he has passion for the jersey, would be 100x better than Bellamy, Murray or any other joker they'd put in.

Stuart would need very good people around him (like Meninga with Henry etc - as Watto will tell you - Mal does zero coaching) and the truth is he would just bring in the same blokes who have killed NSW for ther past 5 years - Daley, Flanagan & co.

Then they will choose to pick the same bums in the spine - i.e. Ennis - Pearce - Gidley - Hayne and the rot will continue!!

Stuart is the worst candidate because of his association with Carr, Bellamy, Flanagan etc all the crap that we have endured over the past 5 years!!

We need a fresh start with some new ideas - especially in the selection room!
 
@cunno said:
It will be interesting to see who gets the NSW Origin coaching job. I can't think of a suitable candidate particularly since they will not be a club coach. Success will only be achieved by NSW if the team is picked on form not past reputation, if it were possible, keep the politics out of selections.

Oh no, some club please snap Laurie Daly up in some coaching role, otherwise they might pick him as NSW coach!

I'd go for a legend/figurehead like Qld have in Meninga - Peter Sterling, Andrew Johns, Gus Gould.
 
@redemption said:
I'm a Tiger first - Blue 2nd and Aussie 3rd when it comes the rugby league - so I'd rather he keep both his current roles for now!

Well Said Red

Tiger First - Nothing comes close to that feeling back in Oct 2005.

and I'd trade almost anything for it again…
 
@redemption said:
@Marshall_magic said:
Ricky Stuart HAS to get the NSW gig, it's a no brainer, he is easily the best candidate. Sure he's an average coach at club level, but it's not like Meninga was any better when he coached the Raiders. He was the last coach to be in charge of a NSW series win and he has passion for the jersey, would be 100x better than Bellamy, Murray or any other joker they'd put in.

Stuart would need very good people around him (like **Meninga with Henry** etc - as Watto will tell you - Mal does zero coaching) and the truth is he would just bring in the same blokes who have killed NSW for ther past 5 years - Daley, Flanagan & co.

Then they will choose to pick the same bums in the spine - i.e. Ennis - Pearce - Gidley - Hayne and the rot will continue!!

Stuart is the worst candidate because of his association with Carr, Bellamy, Flanagan etc all the crap that we have endured over the past 5 years!!

We need a fresh start with some new ideas - especially in the selection room!

Henry is a myth, he did nothing with the Raiders that Furner/Elliot didn't do previously, and he has done nothing with the Cowboys. Mal has a huge influence on the players, because he's been there before, won it before, and the players all respect him. I would prefer Sticky get the gig over any current NRL coach.
 
@redemption said:
@Marshall_magic said:
Ricky Stuart HAS to get the NSW gig, it's a no brainer, he is easily the best candidate. Sure he's an average coach at club level, but it's not like Meninga was any better when he coached the Raiders. He was the last coach to be in charge of a NSW series win and he has passion for the jersey, would be 100x better than Bellamy, Murray or any other joker they'd put in.

Stuart would need very good people around him (like Meninga with Henry etc - as Watto will tell you - Mal does zero coaching) and the truth is he would just bring in the same blokes who have killed NSW for ther past 5 years - Daley, Flanagan & co.

Then they will choose to pick the same bums in the spine - i.e. Ennis - Pearce - Gidley - Hayne and the rot will continue!!

Stuart is the worst candidate because of his association with Carr, Bellamy, Flanagan etc all the crap that we have endured over the past 5 years!!

**We need a fresh start with some new ideas - especially in the selection room**!

Who?
 
On topic….........i hope this Sheens/Marshall relationship never becomes as odd as the Chris Anderson/Brett Kimmorley relationship.
 
I would've been willing to take a closer look at the merits of Daniel Anderson - Jason Taylor - Steve Folkes - Brad Fittler - Brett Kenny - even Chris Anderson. There is also Brian McLennan who just quit at Leeds (and Qld have had a former Kiwi coach before in Lowe - so it would not be without precedent)!

I actually believe Brian Smith could excel at that level - despite being unavailable!

But noone even got an interview aside from Ricky because Carr was always intent on looking after his mates!

Did Ricky quit the Sharks late-season because he was already promised the NSW job???

It certainly looks that way - and that the NSW hierarchy had already pre-determined their coaching successor before the allegedly comprehensive performance review was undertaken!

Mateship and not merit was the selection criteria!
 
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