Kent on Hayne

[innsaneink]

Naah player values dont depreciate by more than double in the space of a year….thats just garbage and fantasy

 

[happy_tiger]

Naah player values dont depreciate by more than double in the space of a year….thats just garbage and fantasy

Don't worry Ink , when Brad Arthur becomes our assistant coach in two years and brings Gutherson , Norman etc we will be the winners

 

[Nelson]

Naah player values dont depreciate by more than double in the space of a year….thats just garbage and fantasy

Trent Hodkinson went from 600K signing and captain at Newcastle to unwanted reggies fodder after about a year. When a marquee signing goes sour it can really go sour.

You also can't force a player to take the highest offer made. They're people, not commodities.

 

[gallagher]

Their new CEO, Bernie Gurr, was the roosters CEO.

Nothing to see here.

 

[diedpretty]

I hate the concept of the NRL being able to block a deal based on "nominal value." Who says Hayne is worth what they think he's worth? What do they base this on? Do they have a bloke who pulls the numbers out of his butt? If Jarryd would rather earn $500k at Parramatta than $1.2m at the Titans, then so be it. What happens if no one will pay him what they think he's worth….....does he have to go to Rugby or something?

That said, I wonder what all the Parra fans who burnt their Hayne jerseys are thinking at the moment.....

I think the problem is that people don't believe that Hayne will only be getting 500k - he is going to a club that had no qulams about rorting the system 18 months ago and he is going there for 700k less than he could get if he stayed where he was. I certainly don't believe it.

 

[Munk]

I don't see a problem with it. He was a speculative signing given his time away from the game and the Titans paid crazy money in part because they hoped he would be a crowd puller. He has utterly failed to deliver both on and off the field. As a player his value has plummeted and as a marketing tool his value has plummeted. He has however substantially enhanced his status as an actual tool.

You dont see any problem with a player breaking a contract and taking a $700 000 pay reduction to join a club busted for salary cap rorts only a year and a bit ago? That doesnt set any red flags up for you?

He didn't break a contract, they agreed to release him because he wasn't worth anywhere near the cash he was taking up and was and is a toxic figure. His ego is probably what drove him back to Parra. He sniffed the possibility of a premiership and wants to be celebrated as the prodigal son returned to lead them to glory (and if they do win that will probably be the narrative in his head regardless of the reality).

I don't think the NRL could stop him taking a massive pay cut, that would be a restraint of trade. They could however refuse to register the contract as anything less than a nominal market value against Parra's cap. $500K does not seem to be grossly outside his market value at this time. Ferguson has tainted his market value with off field crap. SKD compromised his market value with off field crap. It happens…

Sorry i mispoke. He was under contract and walked away. Point remains that he was to earn 1.2mill in 2018 and instead signed for 500k. You can not tell me thats his market value. For starters he is a marque player who played all 3 origins this year and 4 tests as well. More importantly, he never went to market. If he had of Parra would have had competition for his signature as there are enough clubs out there with the dough to afford him. 500k is a joke. Hed be earning double that under the table and with Parramatta involved, the NRL should have called BS on it. Why didnt they? I think youll find that Kenty is on the right path.

 

[hobbo]

I hate the concept of the NRL being able to block a deal based on "nominal value." Who says Hayne is worth what they think he's worth? What do they base this on? Do they have a bloke who pulls the numbers out of his butt? If Jarryd would rather earn $500k at Parramatta than $1.2m at the Titans, then so be it. What happens if no one will pay him what they think he's worth….....does he have to go to Rugby or something?

That said, I wonder what all the Parra fans who burnt their Hayne jerseys are thinking at the moment.....

I think the problem is that people don't believe that Hayne will only be getting 500k - he is going to a club that had no qulams about rorting the system 18 months ago and he is going there for 700k less than he could get if he stayed where he was. I certainly don't believe it.

Yeah it's BS ….Hayne's most likely being topped up by Greenburg's so called "war chest "

 

[supercoach]

Can I just say , the story they ran after the Hayne story is far worse

Supposedly the player managers involved in the Parra 2016 debacle are going to front the NRL soon

And they are basically saying they will bring the whole TPA story down and they are saying that Greenburg himself might get rolled in as well

But not every player manager is going to be charged that is involved …..

It annoys me , the people in charge of the game are too scared to stand up to anyone since the SL war , they are scared clubs will run off again and start their own comp

One of the reasons for starting up the commission was because under the old structure nothing ever got done because every club was only interested in their own clubs and not was good for the game. Now we have a few people who control the game who are only interested in self gain. I think we have gone backwards, the little clubs are getting screwed big time

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't see a problem with it. He was a speculative signing given his time away from the game and the Titans paid crazy money in part because they hoped he would be a crowd puller. He has utterly failed to deliver both on and off the field. As a player his value has plummeted and as a marketing tool his value has plummeted. He has however substantially enhanced his status as an actual tool.

You dont see any problem with a player breaking a contract and taking a $700 000 pay reduction to join a club busted for salary cap rorts only a year and a bit ago? That doesnt set any red flags up for you?

He didn't break a contract, they agreed to release him because he wasn't worth anywhere near the cash he was taking up and was and is a toxic figure. His ego is probably what drove him back to Parra. He sniffed the possibility of a premiership and wants to be celebrated as the prodigal son returned to lead them to glory (and if they do win that will probably be the narrative in his head regardless of the reality).

I don't think the NRL could stop him taking a massive pay cut, that would be a restraint of trade. They could however refuse to register the contract as anything less than a nominal market value against Parra's cap. $500K does not seem to be grossly outside his market value at this time. Ferguson has tainted his market value with off field crap. SKD compromised his market value with off field crap. It happens…

I don't believe for a minute he takes a $700K pay cut when his family is a 1 hour plane ride from the Gold Coast.

They get a cut price signing who was worth over double just 12 months ago and were busted for breaching the cap in 2016? Come on…

 

[tigerap]

Far out this sort of thing fires me up. I’m so sick of the inequity in the NRL. The draw is a joke, third party agreements are a joke, the salary cap is rorted, some teams are refereed differently to others….... and those charged with the responsibility to govern couldn’t grow a choko vine over a sh#%house. I’d say rant over but I doubt it is .......

Tiger Steve you are spot on mate…Our game is a shambles and the fans can see it which is why attendance numbers are down....It seems every marquee player who comes on the market is going to one of 3 Sydney clubs in the Sharks, Roosters or Parramatta...No other clubs gets a look in...

 

[NT_Tiger]

Far out this sort of thing fires me up. I’m so sick of the inequity in the NRL. The draw is a joke, third party agreements are a joke, the salary cap is rorted, some teams are refereed differently to others….... and those charged with the responsibility to govern couldn’t grow a choko vine over a sh#%house. I’d say rant over but I doubt it is .......

Tiger Steve you are spot on mate…Our game is a shambles and the fans can see it which is why attendance numbers are down....It seems every marquee player who comes on the market is going to one of 3 Sydney clubs in the Sharks, Roosters or Parramatta...No other clubs gets a look in...

Newcastle?

 

[balmain boy]

One of the few times i agree with Kent. Incredibly dodgy how a state of origin player can drop 700k in salary and still be considered as listed at their notional value. Disgusting and highly unethical.

 

[gallagher]

And they still have room in their cap for radradra for 2018\. I suppose a french rugby winger wouldnt cost too much.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/bordeauxs-bigmoney-rugby-union-offer-to-semi-radradra-could-scupper-parramatta-eels-return-20171205-gzzfle.html

 

[851]

And they still have room in their cap for radradra for 2018\. I suppose a french rugby winger wouldnt cost too much.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/bordeauxs-bigmoney-rugby-union-offer-to-semi-radradra-could-scupper-parramatta-eels-return-20171205-gzzfle.html

I saw that, what do the NRL think, that the fans of other clubs are idiots much like themselves.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

And they still have room in their cap for radradra for 2018\. I suppose a french rugby winger wouldnt cost too much.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/bordeauxs-bigmoney-rugby-union-offer-to-semi-radradra-could-scupper-parramatta-eels-return-20171205-gzzfle.html

I saw that, what do the NRL think, that the fans of other clubs are idiots much like themselves.

Cue the Parra mongs "See we could afford Hayne, we had enough to go after Semi again…"

 

[happy_tiger]

Can I just remind everyone that the Hayne Bane and Kent hate each other with a passion , don't be surprised if this is just a chance for Kent to take another pot shot at the Hayne Shame

 

[jirskyr]

Far out this sort of thing fires me up. I’m so sick of the inequity in the NRL. The draw is a joke, third party agreements are a joke, the salary cap is rorted, some teams are refereed differently to others….... and those charged with the responsibility to govern couldn’t grow a choko vine over a sh#%house. I’d say rant over but I doubt it is .......

Tiger Steve you are spot on mate…Our game is a shambles and the fans can see it which is why attendance numbers are down....It seems every marquee player who comes on the market is going to one of 3 Sydney clubs in the Sharks, Roosters or Parramatta...No other clubs gets a look in...

Why is the game the shambles just because of perceived inequalities in the salary cap?

The salary cap is flawed, always has been, but generally speaking it works as a talent distribution system. There are always going to be individual situations that don't look consistent from the outside, but this is because those judgements are always somewhat subjective, same as all the other human components like refereeing, bunker, judiciary etc.

What is a player worth? Subjective, he's worth what someone would pay for him. Nobody except Parra appears to want a bar of Hayne, so personally if 1/16 clubs want him, that's a fairly large dive in value. Parra can have him, don't think anyone else particularly cares or wanted Hayne at their club.

I'm annoyed by the Roosters situation with Cronk/Tedesco, but that's not salary cap as far as I can see, that's TPAs and successful clubs often getting their man. But that's sport, money talks and top clubs get their way more often than lower clubs, happens in every code.

We could scrap the cap or modify it and introduce a draft, but the reality is every club and manager will always be trying to test the limits of the cap rules, it's in their interests to do so. I don't see how this fall specifically on the NRL governance.

 

[JD Tiger]

Far out this sort of thing fires me up. I’m so sick of the inequity in the NRL. The draw is a joke, third party agreements are a joke, the salary cap is rorted, some teams are refereed differently to others….... and those charged with the responsibility to govern couldn’t grow a choko vine over a sh#%house. I’d say rant over but I doubt it is .......

Tiger Steve you are spot on mate…Our game is a shambles and the fans can see it which is why attendance numbers are down....It seems every marquee player who comes on the market is going to one of 3 Sydney clubs in the Sharks, Roosters or Parramatta...No other clubs gets a look in...

Why is the game the shambles just because of perceived inequalities in the salary cap?

The salary cap is flawed, always has been, but generally speaking it works as a talent distribution system. There are always going to be individual situations that don't look consistent from the outside, but this is because those judgements are always somewhat subjective, same as all the other human components like refereeing, bunker, judiciary etc.

What is a player worth? Subjective, he's worth what someone would pay for him. Nobody except Parra appears to want a bar of Hayne, so personally if 1/16 clubs want him, that's a fairly large dive in value. Parra can have him, don't think anyone else particularly cares or wanted Hayne at their club.

I'm annoyed by the Roosters situation with Cronk/Tedesco, but that's not salary cap as far as I can see, that's TPAs and successful clubs often getting their man. But that's sport, money talks and top clubs get their way more often than lower clubs, happens in every code.

We could scrap the cap or modify it and introduce a draft, but the reality is every club and manager will always be trying to test the limits of the cap rules, it's in their interests to do so. I don't see how this fall specifically on the NRL governance.

Everything you say is right, I just think the NRL administration should be trying harder to police their own rules.

We have a salary cap to try and distribute the talent as evenly as possible (or to stop clubs with more connections getting a huge advantage over other clubs), and part of that is to have the clubs NOT arranging TPAs. A lot of clubs clearly are, and the NRL should be trying a lot harder to curb that.

At present, I see the NRL doing nothing, with their head in the sand, saying it's too hard, let's just look in the other direction. As a supporter of a club that does not have the connections that some other clubs have, I see my club being left behind because we can't bend the rules as well as the others, and of course I don't like it. So I want the NRL to do more.

 

[happy_tiger]

I still think the authorities of the game is too scared to find out how badly they administer the game and how easy that teams flaunt the rules in regards to TPA's

But as I like to say , if you can't beat them , join them

No reason we can't do the same with some excellent work behind the scenes

 

[diedpretty]

Far out this sort of thing fires me up. I’m so sick of the inequity in the NRL. The draw is a joke, third party agreements are a joke, the salary cap is rorted, some teams are refereed differently to others….... and those charged with the responsibility to govern couldn’t grow a choko vine over a sh#%house. I’d say rant over but I doubt it is .......

Tiger Steve you are spot on mate…Our game is a shambles and the fans can see it which is why attendance numbers are down....It seems every marquee player who comes on the market is going to one of 3 Sydney clubs in the Sharks, Roosters or Parramatta...No other clubs gets a look in...

Why is the game the shambles just because of perceived inequalities in the salary cap?

The salary cap is flawed, always has been, but generally speaking it works as a talent distribution system. There are always going to be individual situations that don't look consistent from the outside, but this is because those judgements are always somewhat subjective, same as all the other human components like refereeing, bunker, judiciary etc.

What is a player worth? Subjective, he's worth what someone would pay for him. Nobody except Parra appears to want a bar of Hayne, so personally if 1/16 clubs want him, that's a fairly large dive in value. Parra can have him, don't think anyone else particularly cares or wanted Hayne at their club.

I'm annoyed by the Roosters situation with Cronk/Tedesco, but that's not salary cap as far as I can see, that's TPAs and successful clubs often getting their man. But that's sport, money talks and top clubs get their way more often than lower clubs, happens in every code.

We could scrap the cap or modify it and introduce a draft, but the reality is every club and manager will always be trying to test the limits of the cap rules, it's in their interests to do so. I don't see how this fall specifically on the NRL governance.

The point is he could have stayed at the Titans for one more year and collected 1.2 mil - thats a fact. Instead he pulls some whiny little story about his family and happily gives up 700k to be closer to them. Its nothing to do with what he is worth - he may only be worth 300k but he could have received 1.2mil and still bludged away like he did last year. My subjective view is its BS and he will be playing for more than 500k at Parra. Can i prove it - no.