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Sorry hap…youre wrong again.
He is a marquee signing wether you like him or not...youre letting your personal feelings cloud your judgement again
Can you give me a list of your Marquee players Ink
He doesn't fit my list in any way , shape or form
Marquee for me would be your Thurston's , Cronk's ,Smith's , Taumalolo's ,Boyd's etc
I reckon there aren't even 16 Marquee players in the comp to be honest
I wouldn't even class a Tedesco as a marquee signing , so throwing Hayne in is preposterous to put it mildly
Doesn't matter if he is /was the greatest player of all time or just another kick and giggle park footballer - all reports prior to, during and after his signing and leaving say he was on 1.2 mil and this was the cap money he was taking up - since leaving all reports are saying the Titans have freed up 1.2 mil of cap space. Also no one cares what he is worth - and most of us wouldn't want him here and i dare say a lot of Parra supporters don't want him there either. The whole point of the argument is that the NRL sees no problem with a player accepting 700 k less to sign with a club that they only just finished investigating for salary cap rorts and allowed them to get off easy.
Again I reckon that 1.2 might be with TPA's
But if a club is stupid enough to pay way overs , let them suffer / perish
Parra would be getting watched like a hawk and if they choose to risk getting caught again twice in 2 seasons , good luck to them
I think we need to accept that many clubs cheat the cap with TPA's in some way , we need to get on board
Can I say that we do it by the books from the 2 dealings I know about , two deals involving a builder and a Campbelltown radio station
With many of the TPA's it would be extremely hard to prove because it comes down to he said / she said , unless it was in writing in some way you'd never prove it and the smart clubs won't get caught out unless a pissed off ex employee dobs them in who has something in writing
I agree with what you are saying.
Munk and others are making the argument that NRL should not be able to register a Hayne contract of $1.2M with Titans then register it at $500K with the Eels the following season. That something dodgy must be going on for the value change; a possible motive being the NRL ownership of the Titans and involving NRL corruption / incompetence.
But there are several points being generally overlooked IMO:
1) $1.2M was the value set by Titans in 2016 for a player for 2017-2018, not necessarily the market value for Hayne in November 2017\. Surely everyone agrees Hayne had an average 2017 and his reputation has suffered.
2) Hayne didn't go to market and therefore yes, we don't know his tested market value. But he is under no obligation to go to the open market. We really have no idea which other clubs would or would not have approached Hayne if given the opportunity. It's quite possible Hayne's reputation is very poor and only the Eels had any confidence in dealing with him again.
3) As happy has said, Titans may conceivably have been dumb enough to pay $1.2M for a player that nobody else wanted at that value. The contract gap between 2017 and 2018 for Hayne may simply be a result of stupidly high "overs" and a club glad to end what was a poor deal. It is also quite conceivable that the second-best offer to Hayne for 2017 was nowhere near $1.2M and therefore the perceived gap is significantly smaller when the top offer is removed (the purpose of a median value).
4) The values being banded about are media only and not necessarily on the mark. We don't know for a fact how much money Hayne is sacrificing.
5) Hayne may be subject to vastly superior TPA capacity as a Sydney resident vs Gold Coast, or even as an Eels identity than a GC one. Put it another way - where does Darren Lockyer work better as a spokesperson or brand representative - QLD or NSW? In fact Hayne may have had pre-existing TPAs for 2018 in QLD that were at risk due to his damaged reputation in 2017.
6) Hayne has a very significant and successful history with Parramatta that may have had a huge bearing on his contract discussions.
7) Hayne is likely very wealthy in his own right and able to take significant paycuts to suit his non-money needs, such as personal satisfaction, stress, geography etc.
8) Hayne is from Sydney and may have significant family and friend networks here.
9) There is significant precedent - Hayne has already turned down strong contract offers when he quit the NRL to play NFL. At the time the media were reporting negotiations of$1M+ per season to stay with Parra, which he declined in favour of US try-outs that ended up netting him $550K per season, or $115K if he was cut from the roster.
So what it really boils down to is one question - why would Jarryd Hayne take a pay cut?
Munk and co are arguing he's not taking a pay cut at all, that the NRL are corrupt and have rubber-stamped something that at face value is excessively cheap and will be backfilled with 3rd-party agreements or other forms of cheating. That Hayne stands to lose hardly any money at all and the Eels are benefiting to have an expensive player on the books for cheap.
Well for starters, why would it be such a surprise that a club is reporting a salary substantially below what people think the player should be worth? What do we think the Broncos and Roosters have been up to these past 10-15 seasons?
Nobody of course has seen the details of the Hayne contract nor any registered TPAs, so those parts are pure speculation. But it's reasonable to assume that #5 above is accurate - that Hayne is capable of earning a lot more non-salaried money playing for the Eels in Sydney. In fact it may even be as simple as contacting his old TPA persons and rolling over old agreements.
So can we think of any reasons why Hayne might give up money, if that's the only thing that has meaning to him, to play for Eels in 2018? How could he possibly walk away from a guaranteed $1.2M?
Well that part is actually very easy to think of lots of reasons:
- per above Hayne may be able to regain or find new TPAs in a new market (Sydney / Parra)
- Hayne may feel his brand and/or future career is best served by a return to Parramatta; this may be a short-term loss for a longer-term gain. It is, after all, only a one-year deal that the Eels have laid out. Possibly Hayne feels he can regain a large salary for 2019 with a strong showing in 2018?
- Hayne may be seriously concerned about the new Titans coach and the general direction in which the club is heading, including concerns over NRL ownership and future sale / change of club management
- Hayne may be strongly influenced by potential to be in a successful side, and he may see Eels as a team with a greater forecast for 2018
- Hayne may simply not like living in QLD or the GC and may wish to return home
- Hayne may have been experiencing other psychological impacts at the Titans that he feels could be improved/removed by going to Parra - general stress, failing to live up to hype / salary, loss of confidence / reputation, training methods, game strategy / player usage etc.
- Hayne may be concerned about his recent form and feels familiar / new surroundings could help him recapture his potential
- Hayne has a track record of doing what he pleases, making unusual career choices and sacrificing salary to achieve his own goals
So re-assessing the arguments:
#1 NRL is corrupt, Eels are cheats and no way Hayne could be taking a substantial pay cut - a single argument
#2 Jarryd Hayne wishes to take a pay cut, or perhaps has sufficient TPAs / sponsorship to take a pay drop, with very many possible reasons for doing so and at least one large personal precedent for making such a decision.
