Kyle Lovett gone?

[Fumbles]

Spin your way out of this one Ayoub, you prick.

How's this:
I personally told the club about this incident when it happened. I have all the emails and I will release them if need be. Kyle told me and I informed the club immediately. I am once again the innocent party.
You know you try and do the right thing and this happens.
The NRL integrity unit cleared my name over the napkin incident somehow it just disappeared off the radar so I must be innocent. My solicitors have been briefed and I will take legal action if need be.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

There will be two breaches of contract 1) Drug Possession
2) Nondisclosure of a criminal offence. He will be sacked. If it was Teddy it would only be a warning and fine.

Yes James tedeseco would fall under the well defined principle of law I am James Tedesco defence.

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

 

[Adamtiger1]

I feel sorry for Lovett, it was a night out in the off season enjoying himself, I hope he gets just a fine and everyone moves on.

My friend and I were talking about this last weekend and how on earth WT are still over the cap. He usually has good inside info and said he was told it wasn't a cap issue it was due to a incident but he didn't know what. Moral of the story, if his facts were true, the club already knew about Lovett as we were talking about this before the news broke.

 

[Masterton]

WESTS Tigers player Kyle Lovett will appear in court next month after police allegedly busted him with cocaine on a night out two days before Christmas.

Police said the 22-year-old Tigers utility was busted with the party drug between 1.30am and 2am at a location in Pyrmont on December 23.

He was charged with possession of an illegal drug and ordered to front the Downing Centre Local Court on February 1.

The development blindsided the Tigers on Saturday with the club admitting they were unaware of the charge Lovett was facing until being informed about them by The Sunday Telegraph.

The club released a statement on Saturday afternoon that said “upon learning of Lovett’s charge, Wests Tigers immediately alerted the NRL Integrity Unity this morning and the two parties are currently working together on the matter”.

“Wests Tigers are incredibly disappointed with Lovett and do not in any way condone his behaviour,” the statement said. “Wests Tigers will be making no further comment until the matter is resolved, both with the NSW Police and the NRL Integrity Unit.”

Further details of where Lovett was at the time he was busted will be revealed when he appears in court.

Lovett’s manager Sam Ayoub could not be reached to answer questions about whether Lovett will plead guilty to the charge or contest it.

The development could be a major headache for the Tigers who were trying to shift Lovett to another team to ease salary cap pressure despite him still being contracted to the club.

It was only on January 13 that reports emerged saying the Tigers told Lovett he was free to negotiate with another clubs if he could find an interested suitor.

The drugs charge could reduce the Tigers’ bargaining power in trying to convince another club to pay a portion of Lovett’s salary and ease their cap problems.

He was also named on Saturday to play in the Tigers’ Auckland Nines side, with the tournament to take place next month.

“Wests Tigers ensure that all players and staff receive the highest level of education in relation to drugs,” the team’s statement said. “The club takes the welfare and education of its players and very seriously with the Wests Tigers Wellbeing and Education department ranked second in the NRL in 2016.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-backrower-kyle-lovett-charged-for-drug-possession/news-story/dfc9f14b88293f49d33f9bbef817492e

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So thats why they released the statement! [As if the club didnt know]

 

[Swordy]

I'm intrigued how many people are saying that possession and use of cocaine is 'just a little mistake by a young bloke'. He is nearly 24 by the way. Most people have real jobs, vote, are married, might have kids etc. He is no longer a 'young bloke'. That finishes at under 20.

I'm no prude by any means, and I've seen first hand what this stuff does to people. Is it the worst drug in the world? Of course not, but it is a stupid drug and an illicit drug which in many ways wrecks peoples lives. I'm not preaching an anti-drug theme, because you are all old enough to work out right from wrong.

Back to Lovett. If guilty, he should be sacked. Is this the sort of ding bat who we want in the club? Yhis is a professional sport and business. All registered players, as well as the rest of us in society know its illegal and stupid to be involved in this drug world. If he is using, and possessing, against his training, against his employers rules, against society, against common sense, and then doesn't tell anyone hoping it might disappear. Are you serious. Who the hell is he hanging around to be getting this s*** from? What else do they expect of him and does this compromise his own integrity?

This guy has been much maligned on this forum and I actually have supported him because whilst he lacks talent and has been played out of position many times, has a red hot go. He has now completely lost me and he can bugger off. And Last bit of rant - I'd be saying the same thing 100% if this was Tedesco, Moses, or anyone else. Probably more so because they have more to lose.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

There will be two breaches of contract 1) Drug Possession
2) Nondisclosure of a criminal offence. He will be sacked. If it was Teddy it would only be a warning and fine.

Yes James tedeseco would fall under the well defined principle of law I am James Tedesco defence.

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

 

[Nelson]

There will be two breaches of contract 1) Drug Possession
2) Nondisclosure of a criminal offence. He will be sacked. If it was Teddy it would only be a warning and fine.

Yes James tedeseco would fall under the well defined principle of law I am James Tedesco defence.

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I doubt he'd get a year when Barba got 12 weeks recently for testing positive to cocaine. Who knows, they don't have much of a record of consistency with these things…

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm intrigued how many people are saying that possession and use of cocaine is 'just a little mistake by a young bloke'. He is nearly 24 by the way. Most people have real jobs, vote, are married, might have kids etc. He is no longer a 'young bloke'. That finishes at under 20.

I'm no prude by any means, and I've seen first hand what this stuff does to people. Is it the worst drug in the world? Of course not, but it is a stupid drug and an illicit drug which in many ways wrecks peoples lives. I'm not preaching an anti-drug theme, because you are all old enough to work out right from wrong.

Back to Lovett. If guilty, he should be sacked. Is this the sort of ding bat who we want in the club? Yhis is a professional sport and business. All registered players, as well as the rest of us in society know its illegal and stupid to be involved in this drug world. If he is using, and possessing, against his training, against his employers rules, against society, against common sense, and then doesn't tell anyone hoping it might disappear. Are you serious. Who the hell is he hanging around to be getting this s*** from? What else do they expect of him and does this compromise his own integrity?

This guy has been much maligned on this forum and I actually have supported him because whilst he lacks talent and has been played out of position many times, has a red hot go. He has now completely lost me and he can bugger off. And Last bit of rant - I'd be saying the same thing 100% if this was Tedesco, Moses, or anyone else. Probably more so because they have more to lose.

I like your thinking on many points, but I can assure you cocaine use is riff amongst NRL players. Who has he been hanging around? Plenty of NRL Players!

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

Yes James tedeseco would fall under the well defined principle of law I am James Tedesco defence.

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I doubt he'd get a year when Barba got 12 weeks recently for testing positive to cocaine. Who knows, they don't have much of a record of consistency with these things…

There is a difference here, Lovett was arrested by the Police thus committing the criminal offence of possessing an illegal substance, Barba wasn't caught with it just tested positive to it (twice).

 

[happy_tiger]

We should have no issues finding a TPA for Kyle now

 

[Muffstar]

Obviously not performance enhancing drugs….

 

[jadtiger]

I feel sorry for Lovett, it was a night out in the off season enjoying himself, I hope he gets just a fine and everyone moves on.

My friend and I were talking about this last weekend and how on earth WT are still over the cap. He usually has good inside info and said he was told it wasn't a cap issue it was due to a incident but he didn't know what. Moral of the story, if his facts were true, the club already knew about Lovett as we were talking about this before the news broke.

What if it was a another issue and the cocaine is a separate issue?the club claimed they had only just heard about the drug possession.We will probably never hear the truth about the matter.I would hope that nobody at the club has tried to cover anything up.

 

[southerntiger]

The interesting part of this incident is that is poses a fascinating questions. Should players be treated differently for disciplinary problems depending upon their importance to the team. That is, are the Tigers entitled to terminate Lovett's contract even though they probably would not terminate Teddy's contract in the same circumstances.

Many would say no. That the players should be treated fairly.

I disagree with this. In my view, when a person breaches a contract (as Lovett did here), the other party is entitled to decide whether or not to terminate. When weighing up whether to terminate, the other party is entitled consider the value of the contract to them, notwithstanding the breach by the other party.

There is no doubt that players like Teddy, Moses and Woods are more valuable to the team than the likes of Lovett, Edwards etc. Their greater value also probably exceeds the additional amount they are paid. IMO the club is entitled to give a more valuable player a chance that they might not be willing to give to a less valuable player.

Lovett is a borderline NRL player and for players of his calibre these kind of incidents have a tendency to be career ending. Compare the outcome for Steve Irwin to that of Todd Carney for the high speed police chase when Carney drove while disqualified.

I say all of this not really caring about the offending act. I find it interesting that people get on their high horse about a bit of white powder but don't say anything about alcohol which is the cause of far greater social problems.

Lovett's problem is a lot worse due to him failing to disclose his charges to the club. Anyone who really thinks the club was aware of this prior to Saturday is kidding themselves. There is no way the club would have hidden this from the Integrity Unit for a player of Lovett's ability. There is also no way the club would have come out and defamed Lovett by saying he had failed to disclose this when he had not.

 

[supercoach]

The real issue with Lovett is not the drug charge, okay its not good but its a first offence and of course he has not been found guilty yet. The real issue that he did not approach the club as soon as he was charged. The hole he has dug is twice as deep by failing to talk to the club.

Is it a sackable offence, hardly and I am sure the NRL would take the Weststigers to task if they did attempt to flick him. Clubs certainly have some duty of care when one of their employees makes a bad decision, but he did himself no favours by keeping the charge on the quite

 

[Nelson]

So he should. I cant really see what Lovett did as being athat big of a deal. Barba beat up his missus and has been done for cocaine twice and that slimy little flog is still set to run around in the NRL again this season, why shouldn't Lovett be shown some leniency? You could rattle off a dozen vermin that have played in the NRL recently for far worse transgressions eg Barba, Packer, Wicks, Auvuaa, Lui, Gallen, Ferguson…......depends on who you are and who you play for i guess.
If WT want to keep Lovett then I don't see why he shouldn't be given a slap on the wrist and that should be the end of the matter. Just weasel out of it, Broncos-style. They are the masters of it.

Will the Nrl impose a band if lovette found guilty. If they do and impose a 1 year band . What would happen to the cap in that case. They'd have to sack him.

I doubt he'd get a year when Barba got 12 weeks recently for testing positive to cocaine. Who knows, they don't have much of a record of consistency with these things…

There is a difference here, Lovett was arrested by the Police thus committing the criminal offence of possessing an illegal substance, Barba wasn't caught with it just tested positive to it (twice).

Barba must have possessed it to take it, plus he committed the further criminal offence of self-administration of a prohibited drug…and he was never punished by way of criminal charge in the same way Lovett has been. If anything Lovett should get less, unless he was in possession of a couple of grams or something.

 

[wonka]

Will his new nickname be The Coca cola kid.

 

[Adamtiger1]

I feel sorry for Lovett, it was a night out in the off season enjoying himself, I hope he gets just a fine and everyone moves on.

My friend and I were talking about this last weekend and how on earth WT are still over the cap. He usually has good inside info and said he was told it wasn't a cap issue it was due to a incident but he didn't know what. Moral of the story, if his facts were true, the club already knew about Lovett as we were talking about this before the news broke.

What if it was a another issue and the cocaine is a separate issue?the club claimed they had only just heard about the drug possession.We will probably never hear the truth about the matter.I would hope that nobody at the club has tried to cover anything up.

Well if it was this issue and another issue as you think it could potentially be in the space of three weeks, then Lovett should be sacked/stood down and receive some form of aid or assistance to understand if there is Any deeper underlying issues with his outcries of breaching his contract and more importantly the law several times.

In regards to the club only hearing about it now, I disagree with you. you don't coincidently ask a player to leave 1.5 months away from the regular season due to cap pressure. WT Management I'm quite confident we're/are aware how muchWT are spending on this years cap (remember they couldn't resign ET until Sirro left due to cap space) plus signed idris knowing how much they could spend on him. If they can't add up 3.5million with each players salary which can be done with an iPhone, they too should be sacked if your theory is true.

Yes negotiating and balancing books would be extremely difficult but once you know your squad and who's within in this years cap, that's the easy part.

 

[foreveratiger]

I knew something was cooking 😱pen_mouth: .

So many would be surprised at the wide use of the white stuff throughout the NRL players .
The bad thing for Lovett is he is easily replaceable and a young stupid mistake might be the end of his opportunity that he got in playing NRL , with many thinking his already overachieved by playing 1 NRL game.

This will be really interesting what our Club does with this matter as it has already said " As an Organisation we don't condone this " so really if found Guilty by the Courts you would think his Contract will be determinated by the Club especially if we are supposedly having Salary Cap issues.

At the same token i bet my bottom dollar if this happened to a player like Tedesco ? No way he would get the sack no matter if found Guilty.
This could be the end for Lovett but i would give him a 2nd chance and make him visit some Patients that are going through Drug Rehab….will wake up to himself with some of the stories of some hardship that some of these people have gone through and make him realise just how fortunate he is to be an NRL player.

 

[Newtown]

We should have no issues finding a TPA for Kyle now

Probably from Pepsi, not Coca Cola.