Langlands??????

[kiwitiger]

I feel sad this has been reported in some ways, as we the public will never know the truth.
When I was at uni here in Wellington in 1997 I remember a rape case in a uni in Hamilton. The girl made a complaint against a guy who was in the same dorm house as her. He was arrested and charged, forced to leave uni (everyone shunned him). Went to trail and turns out she and him had never met or shaken hands let alone had sex. She was arrested and charged with wasting police time. Turns out she was batcrap crazy, and did this for the attention.

PS I don't know anyone involved in that always just stayed with me, how being charged or accused of a sex crime as a guy is probably the worst thing you can be accused of. Some people will always think you are guilty….atleast if you were accused of murder you can be guaranteed no one will piss you off!

 

[happy_tiger]

Funny how the story seems to have only come out AFTER it was made public that Changa had dementia and was in a nursing home a few months ago

I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty , but it looks bad from the complainant's angle imo

With the Harvey Weinstein story going on, and all the women speaking out against him now, it is possible that this could have inspired the victim. Or it could just be coincidence, and only now do they feel okay coming out about it. Or maybe it has something to do with his health. Only the complainant knows this for sure.

And then you see the Melissa Sue Gilbert accusations against Oliver Stone with the Doors movie

She was after the role Meg Ryan where she plays Pam

Please she was told about a particular scene in the movie and chooses to run out and then labels it harassment 30 odd years later

People in these cases need some sort of anonymity until found guilty , then by all means throw them under the bus

I have been in a situation myself where a girl tried to kiss me when she was consoling me after hearing of a death of a relative many years ago

Mud sticks trust me

It's not just the women in Hollywood, but there's a whole spate of male actors who are now coming out about how there were abused when they were younger, mainly by other older actors on set like Kevin Spacey! Ah it makes me cringe! There are so many predators out there, always has been, it's really not that hard to believe that Langlands may be another one.

Again my point gets missed :brick:

In cases like this people deserve anonymity until proven guilty

Then stone them to death if you like

 

[Munk]

One good aspect that can come out of initial exposure is that it can activate other victims of the same person to come forward which make the case a lot more importance. I have not heard of any case of collusion of non victim/scammers to falsely defame somebody.

Yep thats a good point.
Weinstein tried to buy his way out…Spacey tried to cover it up by coming out of the closet.
They may have got away with it if their victims had of continued to stay quiet.
Strength in numbers.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

With the Harvey Weinstein story going on, and all the women speaking out against him now, it is possible that this could have inspired the victim. Or it could just be coincidence, and only now do they feel okay coming out about it. Or maybe it has something to do with his health. Only the complainant knows this for sure.

And then you see the Melissa Sue Gilbert accusations against Oliver Stone with the Doors movie

She was after the role Meg Ryan where she plays Pam

Please she was told about a particular scene in the movie and chooses to run out and then labels it harassment 30 odd years later

People in these cases need some sort of anonymity until found guilty , then by all means throw them under the bus

I have been in a situation myself where a girl tried to kiss me when she was consoling me after hearing of a death of a relative many years ago

Mud sticks trust me

It's not just the women in Hollywood, but there's a whole spate of male actors who are now coming out about how there were abused when they were younger, mainly by other older actors on set like Kevin Spacey! Ah it makes me cringe! There are so many predators out there, always has been, it's really not that hard to believe that Langlands may be another one.

Again my point gets missed :brick:

In cases like this people deserve anonymity until proven guilty

Then stone them to death if you like

Sorry mate, I wasn't really even looking at your 'point' when I posted tbh and my comment wasn't made to rebuke yours. I was just lamenting at how many predators there are in this world and, as we are seeing and hearing, they seem to prey on anyone & everyone - women, men and kids alike! It kinda makes me sick.

 

[Nelson]

Again my point gets missed :brick:

In cases like this people deserve anonymity until proven guilty

Then stone them to death if you like

Cases like what? What's special about this case? You don't get special protection for being famous and nor should you. If you're talking about allegations of child sexual abuse generally there are good reasons why people accused should not get anonymity until proven guilty. The publicity not infrequently triggers further complainants coming forward, which results in tendency evidence becoming available which results in significantly better prospects of conviction. It would also send a terrible message to victims and discourage them from coming forward because it would make it look like the system is stacked in favour of the abuser and would fly in the face of our open justice system.

Why should it be treated differently to any other crime? You can't just go silencing victims unless and until a randomly selected jury decides that there is sufficient evidence to satisfy them beyond reasonable doubt that they've been abused. Often the victims of child sexual abuse go off the rails because of what they've experienced and end up with mental health and drug abuse problems. Those same problems are then used to undermine their credit when they give evidence against their abusers and so convictions don't result given the victims are often the only source of evidence. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Honestly that is an absolutely terrible idea and it would make some of the most vulnerable victims of crime "second class victims" while making some of the most abhorrent predators in our society a protected species.

 

[happy_tiger]

Again my point gets missed :brick:

In cases like this people deserve anonymity until proven guilty

Then stone them to death if you like

Cases like what? What's special about this case? You don't get special protection for being famous and nor should you. If you're talking about allegations of child sexual abuse generally there are good reasons why people accused should not get anonymity until proven guilty. The publicity not infrequently triggers further complainants coming forward, which results in tendency evidence becoming available which results in significantly better prospects of conviction. It would also send a terrible message to victims and discourage them from coming forward because it would make it look like the system is stacked in favour of the abuser and would fly in the face of our open justice system.

Why should it be treated differently to any other crime? You can't just go silencing victims unless and until a randomly selected jury decides that there is sufficient evidence to satisfy them beyond reasonable doubt that they've been abused. Often the victims of child sexual abuse go off the rails because of what they've experienced and end up with mental health and drug abuse problems. Those same problems are then used to undermine their credit when they give evidence against their abusers and so convictions don't result given the victims are often the only source of evidence. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Honestly that is an absolutely terrible idea and it would make some of the most vulnerable victims of crime "second class victims" while making some of the most abhorrent predators in our society a protected species.

And when they are innocent …....

Trust me mud sticks and it sticks to the whole family and follows you everywhere

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I feel sad this has been reported in some ways, as we the public will never know the truth.
When I was at uni here in Wellington in 1997 I remember a rape case in a uni in Hamilton. The girl made a complaint against a guy who was in the same dorm house as her. He was arrested and charged, forced to leave uni (everyone shunned him). Went to trail and turns out she and him had never met or shaken hands let alone had sex. She was arrested and charged with wasting police time. Turns out she was batcrap crazy, and did this for the attention.

PS I don't know anyone involved in that always just stayed with me, how being charged or accused of a sex crime as a guy is probably the worst thing you can be accused of. Some people will always think you are guilty….atleast if you were accused of murder you can be guaranteed no one will piss you off!

Decades ago I was just waiting to use the public phone in the Randwick shopping mall with people waiting behind me. The girl using the phone upon completion started yelling to everyone that I was a rapist - I had never seen or met the girl before. Maybe she was upset because a handsome guy like me was reading the paper whilst waiting and ignoring her.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I feel sad this has been reported in some ways, as we the public will never know the truth.
When I was at uni here in Wellington in 1997 I remember a rape case in a uni in Hamilton. The girl made a complaint against a guy who was in the same dorm house as her. He was arrested and charged, forced to leave uni (everyone shunned him). Went to trail and turns out she and him had never met or shaken hands let alone had sex. She was arrested and charged with wasting police time. Turns out she was batcrap crazy, and did this for the attention.

PS I don't know anyone involved in that always just stayed with me, how being charged or accused of a sex crime as a guy is probably the worst thing you can be accused of. Some people will always think you are guilty….atleast if you were accused of murder you can be guaranteed no one will piss you off!

Decades ago I was just waiting to use the public phone in the Randwick shopping mall with people waiting behind me. The girl using the phone upon completion started yelling to everyone that I was a rapist - I had never seen or met the girl before. Maybe she was upset because a handsome guy like me was reading the paper whilst waiting and ignoring her.

Maybe you shouldn't have had your old fella hanging out…

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I feel sad this has been reported in some ways, as we the public will never know the truth.
When I was at uni here in Wellington in 1997 I remember a rape case in a uni in Hamilton. The girl made a complaint against a guy who was in the same dorm house as her. He was arrested and charged, forced to leave uni (everyone shunned him). Went to trail and turns out she and him had never met or shaken hands let alone had sex. She was arrested and charged with wasting police time. Turns out she was batcrap crazy, and did this for the attention.

PS I don't know anyone involved in that always just stayed with me, how being charged or accused of a sex crime as a guy is probably the worst thing you can be accused of. Some people will always think you are guilty….atleast if you were accused of murder you can be guaranteed no one will piss you off!

Decades ago I was just waiting to use the public phone in the Randwick shopping mall with people waiting behind me. The girl using the phone upon completion started yelling to everyone that I was a rapist - I had never seen or met the girl before. Maybe she was upset because a handsome guy like me was reading the paper whilst waiting and ignoring her.

Maybe you shouldn't have had your old fella hanging out…

I got to within about half inch of a big carving knife thrust into my gut 3 times the first time I tried that trick. Luckily I was thin and acrobatic jumping backwards. Then she got me cornered in the backyard so I walloped her across the shoulders with a bit of 3X2 - that snapped her out of it. About 30 years later she made the mistake of inviting me to talk at her fiftieth birthday party and I brought that episode up - if looks could kill!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

:laughing: never stop never stopping Byron…

 

[Geo]

Violence is never the answer..

 

[innsaneink]

Some real good stuff around at the moment I see…reeeaaaalll good

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

One good aspect that can come out of initial exposure is that it can activate other victims of the same person to come forward which make the case a lot more importance. I have not heard of any case of collusion of non victim/scammers to falsely defame somebody.

Around the time I moved up here, a young male teacher at a nearby primary school was accused of sexual assault on one of two female students.
He went through all the investigations and came out completely clean.
It was eventually discovered that one of the girls was being sexually abused, but it was by her Uncle at home,
The two girls had hatched up the plan as a revenge act on the teacher in retaliation for some trouble they were in at school.
The washup was that it killed the career of the young teacher, even though the school and all the parents knew that it was a load of garbage, he never set foot in a class room again
( his own decision) as he Felt that this cloud was over him for his own career.

Some men are liars,and bastards, but some women are just as bad. I’m sure that this case is not unusual .
There’s probably many false accusations that get thrown around for various reasons.
And putting it out in public before it’s been proved is completely unfair to any innocent person.
I’ve got no sympathy for anyone whose guilty of any such offence.
But this is one accusation that doesn’t have to be true to damage the accused person.

The school, by the way , knew from the start that the teacher had no case to answer, and
gave the teacher all the help and support possible, but even with all that support, he felt that
Every action of his involving pupils , would be under the microscope from some quarter.

 

[eyewonder]

what a balanced and fair post ,gold coast tiger.
Langlands gave footy fans something to cheer about and everyone tried to copy his big right foot side step
in their backyards.
The lady making the allegations wants resolution to a matter which is very important to her.With chang's state of dementia ,who know if a resolution will ever be reached.
What may have been acceptable social or work behaviour in the 60's,70's and 80's isnt acceptable today.
Male chauvinism is what it was labelled as.
As you get older,the message is clear- be careful of what you say and do.simple.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

GCT is certainly right that crimes of this sort of nature certainly should be determined before being made public.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

what a balanced and fair post ,gold coast tiger.
Langlands gave footy fans something to cheer about and everyone tried to copy his big right foot side step
in their backyards.
The lady making the allegations wants resolution to a matter which is very important to her.With chang's state of dementia ,who know if a resolution will ever be reached.
What may have been acceptable social or work behaviour in the 60's,70's and 80's isnt acceptable today.
Male chauvinism is what it was labelled as.
As you get older,the message is clear- be careful of what you say and do.simple.

Some old guys try to blame it on their heart medication - what Viagra was originally made for. It got my cousin off in both ways.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There has been a police investigation that deemed there was a case to answer, which since has been placed on a court register that is rightly publicly available. This woman has not chosen to publicise her complaint and as such, I fail to see why some are questioning her in any way.

A good example for us on here is the appearance of one K. Lovett earlier this year, who's attendance was brought to WT attention before the player came forward himself.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Again my point gets missed :brick:

In cases like this people deserve anonymity until proven guilty

Then stone them to death if you like

Cases like what? What's special about this case? You don't get special protection for being famous and nor should you. If you're talking about allegations of child sexual abuse generally there are good reasons why people accused should not get anonymity until proven guilty. The publicity not infrequently triggers further complainants coming forward, which results in tendency evidence becoming available which results in significantly better prospects of conviction. It would also send a terrible message to victims and discourage them from coming forward because it would make it look like the system is stacked in favour of the abuser and would fly in the face of our open justice system.

Why should it be treated differently to any other crime? You can't just go silencing victims unless and until a randomly selected jury decides that there is sufficient evidence to satisfy them beyond reasonable doubt that they've been abused. Often the victims of child sexual abuse go off the rails because of what they've experienced and end up with mental health and drug abuse problems. Those same problems are then used to undermine their credit when they give evidence against their abusers and so convictions don't result given the victims are often the only source of evidence. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Honestly that is an absolutely terrible idea and it would make some of the most vulnerable victims of crime "second class victims" while making some of the most abhorrent predators in our society a protected species.

What about when the victim turns out to be the person accused in the first case.
In most cases that I’ve heard of the accuser gets away with bugger all penalty,while the accused person has to carry that “ where there’s smoke there’s usually fire” tag for the rest of their life.
You can’t ever really unscramble the egg,
We can all be grateful that someone rightfully or wrongfully, hasn’t accused most of us of something like that, As proving inocence after such a long time would not be easy for anyone.
It’s hard to get across these days that women can be just as vindictive and untruthful as men can be,
With the load of accusations that are being thrown everywhere, a lot will be genuine, and I hope the blokes get what they deserve, but Im confident that the numbers of non genuine Accusations will grow as well.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

There has been a police investigation that deemed there was a case to answer, which since has been placed on a court register that is rightly publicly available. This woman has not chosen to publicise her complaint and as such, I fail to see why some are questioning her in any way.

A good example for us on here is the appearance of one K. Lovett earlier this year, who's attendance was brought to WT attention before the player came forward himself.

Hardly a good example. Chalk and Cheese !
. Ones a smack over the fingers, and the other could be a tag around around someone’s neck for the rest of their life

 

[Tim Sheens]

There has been a police investigation that deemed there was a case to answer, which since has been placed on a court register that is rightly publicly available. This woman has not chosen to publicise her complaint and as such, I fail to see why some are questioning her in any way.

A good example for us on here is the appearance of one K. Lovett earlier this year, who's attendance was brought to WT attention before the player came forward himself.

Hardly a good example. Chalk and Cheese !
. Ones a smack over the fingers, and the other could be a tag around around someone’s neck for the rest of their life

As I was simply pointing to the information coming from the public court register and not from the woman, I didn't feel the need to search for a junkie axe murderer or the like amongst WT ranks that may have been mentioned on here recently.