Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[tony soprano]

When Maguire joined I thought there’d be a real boost in attracting talent. But it’s been no better, maybe worse.

What's he had though? He took on Ivan's team after one season; most of the players Ivan signed were locked in 3-4 year deals.

Madge had no money and no time to spend it for 2019, signed Jennings.

He's got all his re-signings and junior signings worked out over a longer term, but his top-shelf money for 2020 only became available in the middle of November.

Hard to judge the bloke on about 6 weeks of being able to try recruiting with genuine cap space.

Just my opinion but releasing Marsters and Matterson without replacements lined up was unwise. Yep, we’ve got a load of cash but have been unsuccessful spending it. Imo we would have been better off hanging on to Marsters and Matterson until we got something in return.

Let me ask you this. If we make no additional signings of quality NRL players come round 1, will you be a bit disappointed with our recruitment strategy?

NO.
Madge and Co did what had to be done not much use keeping players who don't want to be here clear the rubbish cash up and see what eventuates I would say we'll have a similar season to 2019 hopefully finishing in the 8
We are cashed up and good players tend to come on the market unexpectantly we're tracking OK we'd all like a Porsche or Ferrari
In the garage but this doesn't always happen and we stick to the tried and true until something better comes along

Yeah cool but what’s the point of having all the cash if we can’t attract quality players? I’m also sick of hearing all this Madge talk. It seems to me like he’s part of the problem, players don’t seem keen to play for him...

That's the trouble people listen and believe all the media BS about Madge this is he's first full preseason with the team let see after few games how the team is performing and if a player or players are getting paid a sh** load of cash I don't want them swaning around with the FIG JAM attitude I wanting them to be working hard for each other because with most things in life you only get back what you put in

No I just don’t think Madge is some sort of messiah like you and others do. And regardless of how hard they work, if we don’t have the talent we’re not going to win anything. And we don’t have the talent.

Say what you will about the media BS about Madge but the truth of the matter is he’s signed stuff all since he got here. We have over a million in the bank and literally can’t spend it. So perhaps that perception might be true even though it hurts you to accept it.

Just a reminder you can mute posters.

 

[bigsiro]

We know Madge likes to win and we know he’s a winner. What else do we want from him? Have some patience!

No.

 

[avocadoontoast]

When Maguire joined I thought there’d be a real boost in attracting talent. But it’s been no better, maybe worse.

What's he had though? He took on Ivan's team after one season; most of the players Ivan signed were locked in 3-4 year deals.

Madge had no money and no time to spend it for 2019, signed Jennings.

He's got all his re-signings and junior signings worked out over a longer term, but his top-shelf money for 2020 only became available in the middle of November.

Hard to judge the bloke on about 6 weeks of being able to try recruiting with genuine cap space.

Just my opinion but releasing Marsters and Matterson without replacements lined up was unwise. Yep, we’ve got a load of cash but have been unsuccessful spending it. Imo we would have been better off hanging on to Marsters and Matterson until we got something in return.

Let me ask you this. If we make no additional signings of quality NRL players come round 1, will you be a bit disappointed with our recruitment strategy?

NO.
Madge and Co did what had to be done not much use keeping players who don't want to be here clear the rubbish cash up and see what eventuates I would say we'll have a similar season to 2019 hopefully finishing in the 8
We are cashed up and good players tend to come on the market unexpectantly we're tracking OK we'd all like a Porsche or Ferrari
In the garage but this doesn't always happen and we stick to the tried and true until something better comes along

Yeah cool but what’s the point of having all the cash if we can’t attract quality players? I’m also sick of hearing all this Madge talk. It seems to me like he’s part of the problem, players don’t seem keen to play for him...

That's the trouble people listen and believe all the media BS about Madge this is he's first full preseason with the team let see after few games how the team is performing and if a player or players are getting paid a sh** load of cash I don't want them swaning around with the FIG JAM attitude I wanting them to be working hard for each other because with most things in life you only get back what you put in

No I just don’t think Madge is some sort of messiah like you and others do. And regardless of how hard they work, if we don’t have the talent we’re not going to win anything. And we don’t have the talent.

Say what you will about the media BS about Madge but the truth of the matter is he’s signed stuff all since he got here. We have over a million in the bank and literally can’t spend it. So perhaps that perception might be true even though it hurts you to accept it.

Just a reminder you can mute posters.

Lol

 

[jirskyr]

He also knows what money is available for 2021 and players including Mitchell could have been signed from November for 2021. And so far nothing.

Well for starters, in this offseason we have already signed Luciano and Stefano for 2021, so you can't say "nothing".

Then let's do more some fact work. Here is 100% of the signings / extensions announced on nrl.com for deals including 2021 and beyond:

>**Players who are moving 2020-2021**
December 19: Titans sign Tino Fa'asuamaleaui from 2021
December 18: Pearson joins Titans
December 5: Knights sign Shibasaki
December 5: Zane Tetevano joins Panthers
November 30: Merrin, Prior, Leilua swap deal
November 29: Broncos sign Brodie Croft
November 29: Scott joins Raiders, Croft released
November 25: Capewell joins Panthers
November 24: Cowboys sign Valentine Holmes
November 7: Matterson joins Eels

>**Players who stayed at current club past 2021**
December 22: Jackson inks new Dogs deal
December 22: Young Shark Teig Wilton kept on the hook
December 18: Mitch Barnett re-signs at Newcastle
December 18: Broncos extend Flegler deal
December 16: Clifford extends Cowboys deal
December 10: Taupau signs new Manly deal
December 6: Staggs signs new Broncos deal
December 6: New Eels deal for Jennings
December 5: Lomax signs five-year Dragons deal
December 4: Oregon states case for new contract
December 3: New deal for Dylan Brown
November 30: Tom Gilbert gets new deal at Nth Qld
November 29: Sharks re-sign Townsend
November 29: Roosters re-sign Taukeiaho
November 28: Papenhuyzen signs new Storm deal
November 27: Hopoate extends stay at Canterbury
November 25: Storm lock in Harry Grant for three more years
November 25: Brimson extends his Titans deal
November 24: Alex Glenn re-signs with Broncos
November 22: Roosters re-sign Waerea-Hargreaves
November 22: Bulldogs re-sign Chris Smith
November 21: Tigers re-sign Talau
November 20: Storm sign four forwards (Kamikamica, K Bromwich beyond 2021)
November 20: Ben Trbojevic extends Manly tenure
November 19: Raiders re-sign Sam Williams
November 19: Twal sign new Tigers deal
November 19: Sami re-signs with Titans
November 18: Garner extends tenure at Tigers
November 15: Turbos seal long-term Sea Eagles deals
November 11: Reimis re-signs with Canterbury
November 11: Saifiti stays with Knights
November 7: Matterson joins Eels
November 7: Renouf remaining at Dogs
November 6: Canterbury extend Lachlan Lewis deal
November 4: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak re-signs with Bulldogs
November 4: Hymel Hunt signs new two-year Knights deal

Firstly you will notice the massive inbalance towards players extending rather than joining new teams, esp at this time of year. 11 players moving NRL clubs (even being generous and counting for Merrin and Holmes who weren't in the NRL system in 2019) vs 38 announced staying put to 2021 and beyond.

You can talk about 2021 signing efforts all you'd like, and whilst you can start having those conversations from 1st Nov, the evidence clearly shows that more players are talking about staying put at this time. Also, nothing to stop you from signing a player for 2021 between now, Jan/20 and June/20. You are even assuming that players want to talk 2021 at the end of 2019, which isn't necessarily a common negotiation strategy.

There have basically been 5 big names on the radar this offseason - Matterson, Latrell, Holmes, Arrow, JAC. Croft and Scott are middle-tier releases, i.e. there was no media negotiation coverage, they were immediately released and signed by someone else.

Tigers have been strongly linked to 4 of the big offseason potential moves, including having to release Matterson. So we are in the mix for big-name players, clearly.

Holmes I didn't see any noise at all of Tigers being involved, which leaves Latrell, Arrow and JAC. None of those are announced yet, but if you are to believe the latest scuttlebutt, Latrell and Arrow to Souths. Assuming this is true, and we don't know that yet, but if you assume, it means Tigers "missed out" on 2 big-name players who are moving clubs. Sample size only of 2 and you are competing with a club who, like yourself, has cleared up a million bucks in salary cap within the past few weeks.

Then lastly, you are assuming that Madge wants to sign a raft of players for 2021 at this time, some 8 weeks after the 2021 signings embargo was lifted. It may in fact be that many clubs are careful about making commitments for 2021 at this time, without the 2020 season at least partially playing out.

 

[happy_tiger]

He also knows what money is available for 2021 and players including Mitchell could have been signed from November for 2021. And so far nothing.

Well for starters, in this offseason we have already signed Luciano and Stefano for 2021, so you can't say "nothing".

Then let's do more some fact work. Here is 100% of the signings / extensions announced on nrl.com for deals including 2021 and beyond:

>**Players who are moving 2020-2021**
December 19: Titans sign Tino Fa'asuamaleaui from 2021
December 18: Pearson joins Titans
December 5: Knights sign Shibasaki
December 5: Zane Tetevano joins Panthers
November 30: Merrin, Prior, Leilua swap deal
November 29: Broncos sign Brodie Croft
November 29: Scott joins Raiders, Croft released
November 25: Capewell joins Panthers
November 24: Cowboys sign Valentine Holmes
November 7: Matterson joins Eels

>**Players who stayed at current club past 2021**
December 22: Jackson inks new Dogs deal
December 22: Young Shark Teig Wilton kept on the hook
December 18: Mitch Barnett re-signs at Newcastle
December 18: Broncos extend Flegler deal
December 16: Clifford extends Cowboys deal
December 10: Taupau signs new Manly deal
December 6: Staggs signs new Broncos deal
December 6: New Eels deal for Jennings
December 5: Lomax signs five-year Dragons deal
December 4: Oregon states case for new contract
December 3: New deal for Dylan Brown
November 30: Tom Gilbert gets new deal at Nth Qld
November 29: Sharks re-sign Townsend
November 29: Roosters re-sign Taukeiaho
November 28: Papenhuyzen signs new Storm deal
November 27: Hopoate extends stay at Canterbury
November 25: Storm lock in Harry Grant for three more years
November 25: Brimson extends his Titans deal
November 24: Alex Glenn re-signs with Broncos
November 22: Roosters re-sign Waerea-Hargreaves
November 22: Bulldogs re-sign Chris Smith
November 21: Tigers re-sign Talau
November 20: Storm sign four forwards (Kamikamica, K Bromwich beyond 2021)
November 20: Ben Trbojevic extends Manly tenure
November 19: Raiders re-sign Sam Williams
November 19: Twal sign new Tigers deal
November 19: Sami re-signs with Titans
November 18: Garner extends tenure at Tigers
November 15: Turbos seal long-term Sea Eagles deals
November 11: Reimis re-signs with Canterbury
November 11: Saifiti stays with Knights
November 7: Matterson joins Eels
November 7: Renouf remaining at Dogs
November 6: Canterbury extend Lachlan Lewis deal
November 4: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak re-signs with Bulldogs
November 4: Hymel Hunt signs new two-year Knights deal

Firstly you will notice the massive inbalance towards players extending rather than joining new teams, esp at this time of year. 11 players moving NRL clubs (even being generous and counting for Merrin and Holmes who weren't in the NRL system in 2019) vs 38 announced staying put to 2021 and beyond.

You can talk about 2021 signing efforts all you'd like, and whilst you can start having those conversations from 1st Nov, the evidence clearly shows that more players are talking about staying put at this time. Also, nothing to stop you from signing a player for 2021 between now, Jan/20 and June/20. You are even assuming that players want to talk 2021 at the end of 2019, which isn't necessarily a common negotiation strategy.

There have basically been 5 big names on the radar this offseason - Matterson, Latrell, Holmes, Arrow, JAC. Croft and Scott are middle-tier releases, i.e. there was no media negotiation coverage, they were immediately released and signed by someone else.

Tigers have been strongly linked to 4 of the big offseason potential moves, including having to release Matterson. So we are in the mix for big-name players, clearly.

Holmes I didn't see any noise at all of Tigers being involved, which leaves Latrell, Arrow and JAC. None of those are announced yet, but if you are to believe the latest scuttlebutt, Latrell and Arrow to Souths. Assuming this is true, and we don't know that yet, but if you assume, it means Tigers "missed out" on 2 big-name players who are moving clubs. Sample size only of 2 and you are competing with a club who, like yourself, has cleared up a million bucks in salary cap within the past few weeks.

Then lastly, you are assuming that Madge wants to sign a raft of players for 2021 at this time, some 8 weeks after the 2021 signings embargo was lifted. It may in fact be that many clubs are careful about making commitments for 2021 at this time, without the 2020 season at least partially playing out.

Off course we are going to be linked to the big off season players , we have arguably the most money left of any club in the NRL

And yet the cupboard looks bare like Old Mother Hubbards

 

[Newtown]

Most would have told Mitchell to get lost when it was clear that he was using Wests Tigers for his own gain. Instead Wests tigers carried on negotiating with him and lost the valuable time involved they could have used to negotiate with whatever class players were available during thisperiof of time. These class players are no longer avaiable now.

I really don't understand this post.

We did tell Mitchell to get lost. The only official word from Tigers since we withdrew our offer is (1) we would consider reopening negotiations if Latrell approached us (from Lee H); (2) nobody at Tigers has spoken to Latrell since then (from Pascoe).

There is no evidence of any further negotiation besides the original offer.

Furthermore, negotiating with one player does not in any way preclude you from negotiating with another. You reckon the recruitment team spend 24/7 speaking to just one player?

Who are "the class players" who are no longer available? By all reports we made an offer to Latrell and a late offer to Arrow, which are the only two top-tier players so far available.

You could not post more inaccurately if you tried.

Since you are into stats how about you post a time frame on each these contacts WT had with LT and you will see how inaccurate you are with your criticism.

The first contact with LT was months ago. Wests Tigers went kowtowing to Mitchell to the extent that Madge and his associate drove all the way to Taree to talk to him. Mitchell from all reports was very non-committal. Weeks later WT arranged another meeting with Mitchell and his manager. Ir's a known fact that Mitchell did not turn up to this meeting and did not apologise. Still Wests tigers kept kowtowing to Mitchell and told him that the door was still open for negotiations.

All of the above took time and effort on Wests tigers part. Wests tigers were so focused on Mitchell that they did not spend a fraction of the time they could have spent on suitable players which were available for negotiation at that time. Milford was one of these players as well as a player who plays from Cronulla who plays 5/8/ centre/fullback.

 

[trentrunciman]

He also knows what money is available for 2021 and players including Mitchell could have been signed from November for 2021. And so far nothing.

Well for starters, in this offseason we have already signed Luciano and Stefano for 2021, so you can't say "nothing".

Then let's do more some fact work. Here is 100% of the signings / extensions announced on nrl.com for deals including 2021 and beyond:

>**Players who are moving 2020-2021**
December 19: Titans sign Tino Fa'asuamaleaui from 2021
December 18: Pearson joins Titans
December 5: Knights sign Shibasaki
December 5: Zane Tetevano joins Panthers
November 30: Merrin, Prior, Leilua swap deal
November 29: Broncos sign Brodie Croft
November 29: Scott joins Raiders, Croft released
November 25: Capewell joins Panthers
November 24: Cowboys sign Valentine Holmes
November 7: Matterson joins Eels

>**Players who stayed at current club past 2021**
December 22: Jackson inks new Dogs deal
December 22: Young Shark Teig Wilton kept on the hook
December 18: Mitch Barnett re-signs at Newcastle
December 18: Broncos extend Flegler deal
December 16: Clifford extends Cowboys deal
December 10: Taupau signs new Manly deal
December 6: Staggs signs new Broncos deal
December 6: New Eels deal for Jennings
December 5: Lomax signs five-year Dragons deal
December 4: Oregon states case for new contract
December 3: New deal for Dylan Brown
November 30: Tom Gilbert gets new deal at Nth Qld
November 29: Sharks re-sign Townsend
November 29: Roosters re-sign Taukeiaho
November 28: Papenhuyzen signs new Storm deal
November 27: Hopoate extends stay at Canterbury
November 25: Storm lock in Harry Grant for three more years
November 25: Brimson extends his Titans deal
November 24: Alex Glenn re-signs with Broncos
November 22: Roosters re-sign Waerea-Hargreaves
November 22: Bulldogs re-sign Chris Smith
November 21: Tigers re-sign Talau
November 20: Storm sign four forwards (Kamikamica, K Bromwich beyond 2021)
November 20: Ben Trbojevic extends Manly tenure
November 19: Raiders re-sign Sam Williams
November 19: Twal sign new Tigers deal
November 19: Sami re-signs with Titans
November 18: Garner extends tenure at Tigers
November 15: Turbos seal long-term Sea Eagles deals
November 11: Reimis re-signs with Canterbury
November 11: Saifiti stays with Knights
November 7: Matterson joins Eels
November 7: Renouf remaining at Dogs
November 6: Canterbury extend Lachlan Lewis deal
November 4: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak re-signs with Bulldogs
November 4: Hymel Hunt signs new two-year Knights deal

Firstly you will notice the massive inbalance towards players extending rather than joining new teams, esp at this time of year. 11 players moving NRL clubs (even being generous and counting for Merrin and Holmes who weren't in the NRL system in 2019) vs 38 announced staying put to 2021 and beyond.

You can talk about 2021 signing efforts all you'd like, and whilst you can start having those conversations from 1st Nov, the evidence clearly shows that more players are talking about staying put at this time. Also, nothing to stop you from signing a player for 2021 between now, Jan/20 and June/20. You are even assuming that players want to talk 2021 at the end of 2019, which isn't necessarily a common negotiation strategy.

There have basically been 5 big names on the radar this offseason - Matterson, Latrell, Holmes, Arrow, JAC. Croft and Scott are middle-tier releases, i.e. there was no media negotiation coverage, they were immediately released and signed by someone else.

Tigers have been strongly linked to 4 of the big offseason potential moves, including having to release Matterson. So we are in the mix for big-name players, clearly.

Holmes I didn't see any noise at all of Tigers being involved, which leaves Latrell, Arrow and JAC. None of those are announced yet, but if you are to believe the latest scuttlebutt, Latrell and Arrow to Souths. Assuming this is true, and we don't know that yet, but if you assume, it means Tigers "missed out" on 2 big-name players who are moving clubs. Sample size only of 2 and you are competing with a club who, like yourself, has cleared up a million bucks in salary cap within the past few weeks.

Then lastly, you are assuming that Madge wants to sign a raft of players for 2021 at this time, some 8 weeks after the 2021 signings embargo was lifted. It may in fact be that many clubs are careful about making commitments for 2021 at this time, without the 2020 season at least partially playing out.

Off course we are going to be linked to the big off season players , we have arguably the most money left of any club in the NRL

And yet the cupboard looks bare like Old Mother Hubbards

poor wests tigers, all this money and no ones wants us =;(

 

[happy_tiger]

He also knows what money is available for 2021 and players including Mitchell could have been signed from November for 2021. And so far nothing.

Well for starters, in this offseason we have already signed Luciano and Stefano for 2021, so you can't say "nothing".

Then let's do more some fact work. Here is 100% of the signings / extensions announced on nrl.com for deals including 2021 and beyond:

>**Players who are moving 2020-2021**
December 19: Titans sign Tino Fa'asuamaleaui from 2021
December 18: Pearson joins Titans
December 5: Knights sign Shibasaki
December 5: Zane Tetevano joins Panthers
November 30: Merrin, Prior, Leilua swap deal
November 29: Broncos sign Brodie Croft
November 29: Scott joins Raiders, Croft released
November 25: Capewell joins Panthers
November 24: Cowboys sign Valentine Holmes
November 7: Matterson joins Eels

>**Players who stayed at current club past 2021**
December 22: Jackson inks new Dogs deal
December 22: Young Shark Teig Wilton kept on the hook
December 18: Mitch Barnett re-signs at Newcastle
December 18: Broncos extend Flegler deal
December 16: Clifford extends Cowboys deal
December 10: Taupau signs new Manly deal
December 6: Staggs signs new Broncos deal
December 6: New Eels deal for Jennings
December 5: Lomax signs five-year Dragons deal
December 4: Oregon states case for new contract
December 3: New deal for Dylan Brown
November 30: Tom Gilbert gets new deal at Nth Qld
November 29: Sharks re-sign Townsend
November 29: Roosters re-sign Taukeiaho
November 28: Papenhuyzen signs new Storm deal
November 27: Hopoate extends stay at Canterbury
November 25: Storm lock in Harry Grant for three more years
November 25: Brimson extends his Titans deal
November 24: Alex Glenn re-signs with Broncos
November 22: Roosters re-sign Waerea-Hargreaves
November 22: Bulldogs re-sign Chris Smith
November 21: Tigers re-sign Talau
November 20: Storm sign four forwards (Kamikamica, K Bromwich beyond 2021)
November 20: Ben Trbojevic extends Manly tenure
November 19: Raiders re-sign Sam Williams
November 19: Twal sign new Tigers deal
November 19: Sami re-signs with Titans
November 18: Garner extends tenure at Tigers
November 15: Turbos seal long-term Sea Eagles deals
November 11: Reimis re-signs with Canterbury
November 11: Saifiti stays with Knights
November 7: Matterson joins Eels
November 7: Renouf remaining at Dogs
November 6: Canterbury extend Lachlan Lewis deal
November 4: Dallin Watene-Zelezniak re-signs with Bulldogs
November 4: Hymel Hunt signs new two-year Knights deal

Firstly you will notice the massive inbalance towards players extending rather than joining new teams, esp at this time of year. 11 players moving NRL clubs (even being generous and counting for Merrin and Holmes who weren't in the NRL system in 2019) vs 38 announced staying put to 2021 and beyond.

You can talk about 2021 signing efforts all you'd like, and whilst you can start having those conversations from 1st Nov, the evidence clearly shows that more players are talking about staying put at this time. Also, nothing to stop you from signing a player for 2021 between now, Jan/20 and June/20. You are even assuming that players want to talk 2021 at the end of 2019, which isn't necessarily a common negotiation strategy.

There have basically been 5 big names on the radar this offseason - Matterson, Latrell, Holmes, Arrow, JAC. Croft and Scott are middle-tier releases, i.e. there was no media negotiation coverage, they were immediately released and signed by someone else.

Tigers have been strongly linked to 4 of the big offseason potential moves, including having to release Matterson. So we are in the mix for big-name players, clearly.

Holmes I didn't see any noise at all of Tigers being involved, which leaves Latrell, Arrow and JAC. None of those are announced yet, but if you are to believe the latest scuttlebutt, Latrell and Arrow to Souths. Assuming this is true, and we don't know that yet, but if you assume, it means Tigers "missed out" on 2 big-name players who are moving clubs. Sample size only of 2 and you are competing with a club who, like yourself, has cleared up a million bucks in salary cap within the past few weeks.

Then lastly, you are assuming that Madge wants to sign a raft of players for 2021 at this time, some 8 weeks after the 2021 signings embargo was lifted. It may in fact be that many clubs are careful about making commitments for 2021 at this time, without the 2020 season at least partially playing out.

Off course we are going to be linked to the big off season players , we have arguably the most money left of any club in the NRL

And yet the cupboard looks bare like Old Mother Hubbards

poor wests tigers, all this money and no ones wants us =;(

Might be coincidence ....probably not though

 

[gallagher]

The sooks are probably the people like me who pour $1000s into this Club every year

Well don’t if it makes you feel better.

A bit like Albo telling the punters not to vote for labor if they didn't like the policies.

 

[Compass]

The sooks are probably the people like me who pour $1000s into this Club every year

Well don’t if it makes you feel better.

A bit like Albo telling the punters not to vote for labor if they didn't like the policies.

I think that was one of the others not Albo. Cocksure lefties at the time.

 

[Curaeus]

Might have been the prospect of playing under a hard uncompromising coach like Madge rather than any WT antipathy that scared Mitchell off. Most likely he got told a few frightening Madge stories by some of his mates at the Bunnies.

 

[jirskyr]

Since you are into stats how about you post a time frame on each these contacts WT had with LT and you will see how inaccurate you are with your criticism.
The first contact with LT was months ago. Wests Tigers went kowtowing to Mitchell to the extent that Madge and his associate drove all the way to Taree to talk to him. Mitchell from all reports was very non-committal. Weeks later WT arranged another meeting with Mitchell and his manager. Ir’s a known fact that Mitchell did not turn up to this meeting and did not apologise. Still Wests tigers kept kowtowing to Mitchell and told him that the door was still open for negotiations.
All of the above took time and effort on Wests tigers part. Wests tigers were so focused on Mitchell that they did not spend a fraction of the time they could have spent on suitable players which were available for negotiation at that time. Milford was one of these players as well as a player who plays from Cronulla who plays 5/8/ centre/fullback.

100% hearsay. Can't post stats on speculative time frames of conversations that may or may not have occurred with Latrell.

How can you be kowtowing to a player when you aren't actively speaking to him, I don't know. Your definition of kowtow seems different to mine. Kowtowing to Latrell when you pull your offer to him!

You have no idea how much time they did or did not spend on Milford or Cronulla players. You have no idea if they rated / targeted / considered Milford or Cronulla players.

You can drive to Taree and back in a day, but of course that prevents you from phoning up Milford in Brisbane, because you can't possibly do two things at once. Hell, you could even have called up Milford on the drive up to Taree, such is the limited workload on reaching out to players and managers.

Don't was time with the pure speculation.

edit: can't

 

[ElleryHanley]

From Andrew Webster in today's SMH:

Latrell Mitchell believes the circus surrounding his playing future is driven by the media. The truth is it’s driven by Roosters chairman Nick Politis no longer wanting him at the club.

It’s an intriguing stalemate between a headstrong 22-year-old and a 77-year-old businessman The Australian Financial Review says has a personal wealth of $1.23 billion.

Politis wanted Mitchell off the club’s books by January 1 but that didn’t happen. Instead, the international centre must front training on January 6 or he will be in breach of contract.

It’s clear he doesn’t want to play for Michael Maguire at the Wests Tigers, otherwise he would have snapped up the big money on offer.

Souths remain a possibility, but how any contract would look — and for what value — depends on a range of factors, including when Titans middle forward Jai Arrow joins them and if other players are released. Rabbitohs winger Dane Gagai has no desire to leave, despite reports about him being shopped to other clubs.



Interesting that Webster, who is a good journo and would know, claims Politis is behind all the media leaks and stuff.

 

[gallagher]

The sooks are probably the people like me who pour $1000s into this Club every year

Well don’t if it makes you feel better.

A bit like Albo telling the punters not to vote for labor if they didn't like the policies.

I think that was one of the others not Albo. Cocksure lefties at the time.

Your right, Bowen. I took his advice?

 

[matchball]

So Mitchell could breach his contract, get sacked and join South Sydney 2020.
Seems the most probable theory at this point.

 

[WT2K]

So Mitchell could breach his contract, get sacked and join South Sydney 2020.
Seems the most probable theory at this point.

Wouldn't surprise me

 

[matchball]

This is most tiring off season in Wests Tigers history. We haven't had a break.
It's good and bad.

 

[tigerbalm]

This is most tiring off season in Wests Tigers history. We haven't had a break.
It's good and bad.

And its only just gone January..

 

[Telltails]

Most would have told Mitchell to get lost when it was clear that he was using Wests Tigers for his own gain. Instead Wests tigers carried on negotiating with him and lost the valuable time involved they could have used to negotiate with whatever class players were available during thisperiof of time. These class players are no longer avaiable now.

I really don't understand this post.

We did tell Mitchell to get lost. The only official word from Tigers since we withdrew our offer is (1) we would consider reopening negotiations if Latrell approached us (from Lee H); (2) nobody at Tigers has spoken to Latrell since then (from Pascoe).

There is no evidence of any further negotiation besides the original offer.

Furthermore, negotiating with one player does not in any way preclude you from negotiating with another. You reckon the recruitment team spend 24/7 speaking to just one player?

Who are "the class players" who are no longer available? By all reports we made an offer to Latrell and a late offer to Arrow, which are the only two top-tier players so far available.

You could not post more inaccurately if you tried.

Since you are into stats how about you post a time frame on each these contacts WT had with LT and you will see how inaccurate you are with your criticism.

The first contact with LT was months ago. Wests Tigers went kowtowing to Mitchell to the extent that Madge and his associate drove all the way to Taree to talk to him. Mitchell from all reports was very non-committal. Weeks later WT arranged another meeting with Mitchell and his manager. Ir's a known fact that Mitchell did not turn up to this meeting and did not apologise. Still Wests tigers kept kowtowing to Mitchell and told him that the door was still open for negotiations.

All of the above took time and effort on Wests tigers part. Wests tigers were so focused on Mitchell that they did not spend a fraction of the time they could have spent on suitable players which were available for negotiation at that time. Milford was one of these players as well as a player who plays from Cronulla who plays 5/8/ centre/fullback.

Don't recall Milford or Moylan (I assume) two contracted players ever declaring their availability to test the market, let alone show any desire to play with us. Stand corrected if I missed something.
So what a time wasting and embarrassing exercise that would be - to pursue two players with no intention of going anywhere at the expense of having a crack a talent the likes of Latrell who made his intentions known.

 

[Compass]

From Andrew Webster in today's SMH:

Latrell Mitchell believes the circus surrounding his playing future is driven by the media. The truth is it’s driven by Roosters chairman Nick Politis no longer wanting him at the club.

It’s an intriguing stalemate between a headstrong 22-year-old and a 77-year-old businessman The Australian Financial Review says has a personal wealth of $1.23 billion.

Politis wanted Mitchell off the club’s books by January 1 but that didn’t happen. Instead, the international centre must front training on January 6 or he will be in breach of contract.

It’s clear he doesn’t want to play for Michael Maguire at the Wests Tigers, otherwise he would have snapped up the big money on offer.

Souths remain a possibility, but how any contract would look — and for what value — depends on a range of factors, including when Titans middle forward Jai Arrow joins them and if other players are released. Rabbitohs winger Dane Gagai has no desire to leave, despite reports about him being shopped to other clubs.



Interesting that Webster, who is a good journo and would know, claims Politis is behind all the media leaks and stuff.

Webster is one of the worst imho. Dragons supporter but has always given Souths a golden run. Shit stirring again.