Lawarence and the Future

[Tigersman]

I'd say put him in the back row but he has hands like feet and Back rowers need good hands…

 

[hobbo]

I think that the best solution would be to have him on the bench this week as a replacement back rower for Sironen. If Lawrence plays well there we cold be on to something.

Putting Lawrence on the bench would be a wasted spot on the bench . We need to pass the bucket around in the last 9 games and buy him out . He's rubbish .

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[happy_tiger]

One issue with Lawrence as I said in another thread is that we are playing him too flat in attack

If you can get him running against the defensive grain with momentum he is going to cause problems for opposition defences and it will create room for Richards , especially with Sirro running as a decoy Having to make decisions with two blokes running angles creates defensive confusion and bad reads which will result in points

Add to that having either Moses or Austin running the inside line and our left hand side would actually look dangerous

The more options we can give Brooks with the ball in hand the better we will look and the more time Brooks will have

 

[851]

We might just get our wish the hot rumour doing the rounds is three first graders at a Sydney club will get a tap on the shoulder and be told to move on even so they have contracts for next year.

I'm hoping Lawrence is one of them.

Hope it is true,losing Rowdy,Lulia and maybe Galloway would be good if it didn't cost to much.

 

[TigersBra]

I'm sorry but even though I like Lawrence, surely we can't keep going with this mediocrity. Dropped balls, running into touch and hardly any speed is what we are getting from him. We need to sign another centre. Simona is quick, and has nice hands, so he can stay. Lawrence and Lulia are nothing special at all.

Does anyone realise that Lawrence is on $300,000 a year. And what are we getting from him? We need to sign someone who is strong, experienced, can goal-kick and is a absoluete freak. Know who I am talking about. KRISNAN INU. The guy is freakish, did anyone see his try against Manly, beat about six defenders to score easily. He can play wing, is safe under the high ball and can pretty much do anything. And guess what, he's only on $225,000 a year. SURELY WE NEED HIM???????

Inu > Lawrence

 

[Blackpearl]

whilst the club wont cut Lawrence things may be different if, and deservedly so, Lawrence is dropped to state cup for the remainder of the season with the obvious intention of remaining in state cup into next season as well. I am not too sure how this relates to top 25 player salary cap etc but if Lawrence is given the ultimate reality check that he is just not a first grade player he may actually ask for a release.
one would only hope

 

[Newtown]

One issue with Lawrence as I said in another thread is that we are playing him too flat in attack

If you can get him running against the defensive grain with momentum he is going to cause problems for opposition defences and it will create room for Richards , especially with Sirro running as a decoy Having to make decisions with two blokes running angles creates defensive confusion and bad reads which will result in points

Add to that having either Moses or Austin running the inside line and our left hand side would actually look dangerous

The more options we can give Brooks with the ball in hand the better we will look and the more time Brooks will have

With Lawrence it's a dilemma which even Potter doesn't even seem to want to confront.

 

[cochise]

Chris' situation is a difficult one for me, I absolutely love him as a footballer. It's difficult because his form is so poor, but that poor form is a direct result of an injury he sustained while representing our team. Something he always has done with pride and passion.

We talk about how we should be looking after Simon Dwyer and Tuiaki for injuries they sustain while playing for us, but most people want to throw Chris on the scrapheap. Yes he is on big $, but he was worth every cent of that contract when we signed him. Fans complain all the time about players not being loyal to the club, case in point when Teddy signed with the Raiders, but shouldn't the club show some loyalty to a player they signed to a big contract who then suffered a horrific injury while playing for the contract?

Chris is such a confidence player, I wish he had of scored that try yesterday because maybe that would have helped build that confidence. He still has positives as a player but I don't really see the side trying to utilise those strengths.

He has also become a bit of a whipping boy. Yes he was poor yesterday and last week, very poor in fact, but there were people bagging him for the knock on when Pat jumped over the top of him to take a bomb that he was clearly in a position to take.

After all that, I don't really know what to do with Chris, I keep hoping he will have a break out game and come good again. I really don't think any of our other options are much stronger so I'd like to see us try and build a gameplan that takes advantage of his strengths.

Ok flame away.

 

[851]

Chris' situation is a difficult one for me, I absolutely love him as a footballer. It's difficult because his form is so poor, but that poor form is a direct result of an injury he sustained while representing our team. Something he always has done with pride and passion.

We talk about how we should be looking after Simon Dwyer and Tuiaki for injuries they sustain while playing for us, but most people want to throw Chris on the scrapheap. Yes he is on big $, but he was worth every cent of that contract when we signed him. Fans complain all the time about players not being loyal to the club, case in point when Teddy signed with the Raiders, but shouldn't the club show some loyalty to a player they signed to a big contract who then suffered a horrific injury while playing for the contract?

Chris is such a confidence player, I wish he had of scored that try yesterday because maybe that would have helped build that confidence. He still has positives as a player but I don't really see the side trying to utilise those strengths.

He has also become a bit of a whipping boy. Yes he was poor yesterday and last week, very poor in fact, but there were people bagging him for the knock on when Pat jumped over the top of him to take a bomb that he was clearly in a position to take.

After all that, I don't really know what to do with Chris, I keep hoping he will have a break out game and come good again. I really don't think any of our other options are much stronger so I'd like to see us try and build a gameplan that takes advantage of his strengths.

Ok flame away.

Lawrence has a long history of dropping bombs,he is probably one of the worst in the club at this,that usually lead to tries against us,remember 2011 finals,this was not a one off.

 

[Tigrr]

Lawrence has been around long enough that he should play well whether he has confidence or not. It's about being a grown up in the head and commitedhttp://[www.weststigersforum.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=21556&sid=2df8d61fa6c2931ae02e041ccb21b5b6](http://www.weststigersforum.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=21556&sid=2df8d61fa6c2931ae02e041ccb21b5b6)#

 

[Nors05]

I really want to see how he goes in NSW cup. If he smashes it and starts scoring tries every week then perhaps Lawrence isn't the problem….

 

[Doc_Tiger]

ITS NOT THE BLOODY INJURY FOR GOD SAKE.

His hip does not drop balls nor does it pass to bloody no one, it doesn't miss tackles. He has lost his passion for the game and needs to retire. He is an Ayshford clone.

He hasn't lost the passion Milky he is playing badly and needs a change

Its his 9th season in grade

What some don't realize we are probably paying 500 k + and will lose out big time if he leaves as we will still be paying his full value

I've never been able to understand the reasoning behind the argument that because someone is on a lot of coin that they can't be let go. Sometimes in business you have to cop a loss for the good of the business and then get on with things.

 

[monkey]

ITS NOT THE BLOODY INJURY FOR GOD SAKE.

His hip does not drop balls nor does it pass to bloody no one, it doesn't miss tackles. He has lost his passion for the game and needs to retire. He is an Ayshford clone.

I agree the injury happened ages ago you don't see widdop who had the same injury playin like a busted

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[cochise]

ITS NOT THE BLOODY INJURY FOR GOD SAKE.

His hip does not drop balls nor does it pass to bloody no one, it doesn't miss tackles. He has lost his passion for the game and needs to retire. He is an Ayshford clone.

I agree the injury happened ages ago you don't see widdop who had the same injury playin like a busted

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Not all dislocations are the same severity, especially with a joint as large and complex as the hip. Its quite obvious his injury has had a large impact on his form. He went from being a world class centre pre-injury to a reserve grader after it. I actually have a feeling that he may have lost a lot of flexibility because of the injury which has led to his lack of speed, mobility and hamstring issues. I'm not saying we have to keep him in 1st grade but I believe we should honour is contract that the club signed him to. That is the risk we took by signing him to such a long contract.

 

[barra]

MUST be dropped to State Cup until he earns the right to play NRL again, or himself looks for a contract release. By his own admission he is a confidence player and he is CLEARLY not getting confidence from his performances in the NRL. In fact, he is probably helping to erode the team confidence with the amount of sub-par performances he is putting in. Certainly he is a big part of our problems at the moment!!

Enough is enough.

 

[happy_tiger]

ITS NOT THE BLOODY INJURY FOR GOD SAKE.

His hip does not drop balls nor does it pass to bloody no one, it doesn't miss tackles. He has lost his passion for the game and needs to retire. He is an Ayshford clone.

I agree the injury happened ages ago you don't see widdop who had the same injury playin like a busted

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Not all dislocations are the same severity, especially with a joint as large and complex as the hip. Its quite obvious his injury has had a large impact on his form. He went from being a world class centre pre-injury to a reserve grader after it. I actually have a feeling that he may have lost a lot of flexibility because of the injury which has led to his lack of speed, mobility and hamstring issues. I'm not saying we have to keep him in 1st grade but I believe we should honour is contract that the club signed him to. That is the risk we took by signing him to such a long contract.

I think Widdop was back after about 9 weeks with his and it popped straight back in

Lawrence's if memory serves had to be popped back in at the hospital and missed around 14 weeks

Widdop isn't as reliant on his speed as Lawrence is either , that makes a big difference

 

[hobbo]

MUST be dropped to State Cup until he earns the right to play NRL again, or himself looks for a contract release. By his own admission he is a confidence player and he is CLEARLY not getting confidence from his performances in the NRL. In fact, he is probably helping to erode the team confidence with the amount of sub-par performances he is putting in. Certainly he is a big part of our problems at the moment!!

Enough is enough.

Well he's certainly started to erode my confidence .
Two more years of Lawrence …you've got to be kidding !

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[happy_tiger]

I think a few are forgetting the positive OK his hands were crap , but they have only been bad the last few weeks

He found some space v Penrith and some holes , if he gets his hands right and hangs onto those balls

And the drop when he was about to score , unless you have been in the situation when you land with the ball under yourself at full steam and slid forward and see how hard it is to hang onto cleanly you'll never understand

 

[hobbo]

I think a few are forgetting the positive OK his hands were crap , but they have only been bad the last few weeks

He found some space v Penrith and some holes , if he gets his hands right and hangs onto those balls

And the drop when he was about to score , unless you have been in the situation when you land with the ball under yourself at full steam and slid forward and see how hard it is to hang onto cleanly you'll never understand

That's crap Happy , a seasoned pro that close to the line would've transferred the ball into one hand , reached out and scored ! Or at least attempted to do the above .
Lawrence used to be one of my favourite players but he's not up to it anymore (which saddens me ). He's never ever going to regain his form no matter how long potter persists with him and that's a fact .

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[happy_tiger]

I think a few are forgetting the positive OK his hands were crap , but they have only been bad the last few weeks

He found some space v Penrith and some holes , if he gets his hands right and hangs onto those balls

And the drop when he was about to score , unless you have been in the situation when you land with the ball under yourself at full steam and slid forward and see how hard it is to hang onto cleanly you'll never understand

That's crap Happy , a seasoned pro that close to the line would've transferred the ball into one hand , reached out and scored ! Or at least attempted to do the above .
Lawrence used to be one of my favourite players but he's not up to it anymore (which saddens me ). He's never ever going to regain his form no matter how long potter persists with him and that's a fact .

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I'm not saying he made the right choices leading up to that moment , but I know for a fact that when the ball gets caught underneath it is extremely hard to control when you are moving at speed

I've seen blokes like Renouf ,Meninga drop balls like that when it is caught underneath you and you are moving forward at speed

He should of used his footwork to position himself better