Liddle

[Pawsandclaws]

By the start of next season, Liddle should be starting games and MM playing off the bench. While a strong defensive hooker, MM does not offer a lot in attack. Liddle is learning in one of the most difficult positions on the field and is progressing well.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Not too sure if he will get much out of ISP, but it wouldnt hurt to give him a few runs down there to find his groove and increase his work rate.

Its a big challenge finding the right balance with our pack. I'm starting to wonder if we cant continue having Taylor at #13 as we are lacking impact in attack, but at the same time he is a best defender in the middle and both our 9's cant deliver ET defense.

I'd like to hold off judging Liddle until he gets behind a forward pack which can go forward, but have no problems giving him a run in ISP either.

 

[supercoach]

Any young kid would struggle in our pack/team at present. I have no doubt he will be good and with our season gone there is no point in dropping him to reserve grade, just keep giving him a good stint each week in the top grade. All no 9s need to play behind packs that are rumbling forward

 

[momo_amp_medo]

He will improve with experience gained from this year.
He is only 20 and plays with of heart and effort.
You are not going to tell me that by draping him we improve our lot this year.
As I said in another thread this year should be an experiment and young players should be given some experience playing minutes in top grade.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree. Last season I was really impressed with him but I have to say currently he is not a good option taking up a bench spot.
I had high hopes for him this season and granted he isn't getting 80 minutes a game, but I'm not seeing much progress from him. Development player or not - if you're playing top grade you should be top grade, or very near.
He should be in ISP learning the ropes and proving he deserves an nrl spot.

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.

 

[Geo]

Only player in our side yesterday who didn't miss a tackle….

Given that he was on at the time the Rorters were punching holes everywhere it's another tick from me,.,

 

[Roar_Power]

Only player in our side yesterday who didn't miss a tackle….

Given that he was on at the time the Rorters were punching holes everywhere it's another tick from me,.,

x2

 

[Demps]

I agree. Last season I was really impressed with him but I have to say currently he is not a good option taking up a bench spot.
I had high hopes for him this season and granted he isn't getting 80 minutes a game, but I'm not seeing much progress from him. Development player or not - if you're playing top grade you should be top grade, or very near.
He should be in ISP learning the ropes and proving he deserves an nrl spot.

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.

What's a LTJ? Lol

 

[TIGER]

There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.

He's a novice playing in a well beaten pack (every week). Attempting to learn and improve in one of the more difficult positions on the field cannot be easy. He is a level headed type unlike Moses and even though he doesn't make the spectacular hits MM does, offers more in attack even at this stage of his career.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree. Last season I was really impressed with him but I have to say currently he is not a good option taking up a bench spot.
I had high hopes for him this season and granted he isn't getting 80 minutes a game, but I'm not seeing much progress from him. Development player or not - if you're playing top grade you should be top grade, or very near.
He should be in ISP learning the ropes and proving he deserves an nrl spot.

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.

What's a LTJ? Lol

I think it's a biscuit :laughing: I meant little John

 

[Harvey]

I think he was far from alone in having a bad game yesterday. Some of the defence was absolutely terrible. JLJ was bad again, ET looked tired & we need an alternate strip that is predominately blue. Might get Woods & Teddy to play with some vigour.

 

[larrycorowa]

Let's talk about our play makers when we have a pack that can compete. Cameron smith would look like a numpty behind our pack of powder puffs led by Lyle lovett

 

[Demps]

I agree. Last season I was really impressed with him but I have to say currently he is not a good option taking up a bench spot.
I had high hopes for him this season and granted he isn't getting 80 minutes a game, but I'm not seeing much progress from him. Development player or not - if you're playing top grade you should be top grade, or very near.
He should be in ISP learning the ropes and proving he deserves an nrl spot.

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.

What's a LTJ? Lol

I think it's a biscuit :laughing: I meant little John

I've seen heaps if people stuffing up the initials lately lol you're not the only one….

My friend played in junior rep teams with Jack littlejohn and said he was an absolute gun coming through.... Shame he seems to be a dud these days.

 

[Guest]

No problems with Liddle at all…

Agree. People need to step back and take a look at the WT situation out on the field. Take a good hard look at our forward pack. People keep giving it to Woods each week but he's our only forward who regularly makes more than 100 metres in attack. He was the only player to do so yesterday and people are saying he's rubbish. So what does that mean for the rest of our forward pack? And what does that mean for a youngster like Liddle who is playing behind a pack which is consistently beaten each week? He's hardly going to shine when our players are regularly dominated in the PTB.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

Little is going to be NSW future 9.

Next year he will have a forward pack that will go FORWARD.
He will also have players around him that can tackle so that will help him out.

I think every hooker in the NRL would struggle in our team. Liddle is also coming on when the team is getting bashed up so it is hard for a 90kg player to make a difference.

 

[Black_n_White]

Its a big challenge finding the right balance with our pack. I'm starting to wonder if we cant continue having Taylor at #13 as we are lacking impact in attack, but at the same time he is a best defender in the middle and both our 9's cant deliver ET defense.

I understand and respect your opinion here, but i dont think we can play keeping up with the joneses in playing the big motor prop in 13\. For starters we would have to buy one, and I think we are a real prop short anyway next year, and secondly the teams already running that format will have the wood on us as the real options for the position are already tied up with them.

I would prefer we tried running a bigger second row and stop playing so tight around the ruck. Dropping Sue and Aloai back to the second row for example with the addition of Grub we could have a left side from the middle of

ET
Packer/Matulino
Sue/Aloai
Grub
Suli
Fonua

Thats a line-up that could run as hard as just about any team in the comp with size to match. Also allows up to find a normal prop rather than a big motor specialist which is more budget friendly.

I prefer we have an angle, rather than play catch up on the status quo. Ball playing Lock can be that angle.

 

[851]

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.

What's a LTJ? Lol

I think it's a biscuit :laughing: I meant little John

I've seen heaps if people stuffing up the initials lately lol you're not the only one….

My friend played in junior rep teams with Jack littlejohn and said he was an absolute gun coming through.... Shame he seems to be a dud these days.

JLJ would struggle to star in the juniors now, as for Liddle he didn't have a good game but he at least looks like he could be a 1st grader, unlike a heap of others.

 

[Masterton]

I understand and respect your opinion here, but i dont think we can play keeping up with the joneses in playing the big motor prop in 13\. For starters we would have to buy one, and I think we are a real prop short anyway next year, and secondly the teams already running that format will have the wood on us as the real options for the position are already tied up with them.

I would prefer we tried running a bigger second row and stop playing so tight around the ruck. Dropping Sue and Aloai back to the second row for example with the addition of Grub we could have a left side from the middle of

ET
Packer/Matulino
Sue/Aloai
Grub
Suli
Fonua

Thats a line-up that could run as hard as just about any team in the comp with size to match. Also allows up to find a normal prop rather than a big motor specialist which is more budget friendly.

I prefer we have an angle, rather than play catch up on the status quo. Ball playing Lock can be that angle.

If there's one thing this season has taught me, Sue can not last the longer minutes in the 2nd row.

 

[Harvey]

Is ironic that people are saying Liddle is not a first grader and should start looking for a new hooker, but at the same time ask that Sue's average performances be overlooked because he will be better with the pack we have next year.

I can see Liddle, Aloiai and Lawrence looking like very different players next year. Others not so much so.