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Moses Mbye in 80 minutes he made 4 runs and had 2 missed tackles and 6 ineffective. For 900k a year that is horriffic. I doubt anyone else wants him but I say pay the 700k we have left in this yrs cap into next yrs contract and offer him for to anyone who will take him for 100k.
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357086) said:
@kevb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357060) said:
@inmadgewetrust said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356700) said:
@old_man_tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356660) said:
Cini hasn't played in a team this bad since under 7's. We've got to him.

Umm Cini is a huge part of why we’ve been so bad. I would honestly say it’s the worst individual display I’ve ever seen. On par with the infamous Manu Vatuvei game against the Eels many years ago.

I guess you have played rugby yourself, if so I'm sure you maybe had a few shockers yourself, it happens mate. Give him a break it's only his 2nd NRL game. Hopefully he gets a chance to redeem himself


Thats cool and I dont disagree to much with your position....but. We lost by 8. What if I told you that we lost by 8 but ONE PLAYER was responsible for giving them the ball in our 30m on the first tackle...***5 times?***

Yeah this.
 
@hobbo1 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357191) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357182) said:
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357168) said:
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@kevb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357130) said:
@magpieger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356805) said:
So... cut...
We're better than that...
Better than the Tits...

Not tonight mate!

Well, apparently not according to the scoreboars.
But geez, they got lucky and we know we can do better...
We're headed for good things with Douehi as a team leader. 10 seconds after he missed that last kick and he was devastated. That's passion that the team needs to feed off... Pride in who we are and what we're about, and why we play..

Too bad he can’t defend though . He lets in as much as he scores . Can’t say that though , I know he’s the fan fav.

He's still growing as a player, into the squad and as a 1st Grade 5/8th. He'll work on hus deficiencies and make us great again.

I hope so , because we’ve let him 4 tries this year either off the kickoff , or the next tackle , basically where he is supposed to be or when there’s still confusion with him coming into the line. The try tonight was Laurie / Mbye and Luci . I have no idea why they were so compressed .

But the transition between the 2 off the kickoff , needs to be far more fluent . That’s what the teams are exposing .

That was as bad as I’ve seen

I think we should look at Laurie taking the kickoffs , like most teams do . Tedesco does the roosters ones
 
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@yossarian said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356706) said:
Nofa going for 6 like JAC?

He would be deserving of it he tries his heart out every game

Lol he’s the laziest defender you’d ever see

He might have holes in his game but he is one of the first picked every week.

He shouldn’t be picked ever. He’s a flog

Who would we rely on for the dirty metres he always gets from our own half if he wasn't picked.

Pretty much every winger does the same thing now. His defence is unacceptable for first grade

Not sure what game you were watching but nofo was easily one of our best tonight


Wow....I wasnt watching the same game as you.

Nofa was good though man . Especially that second half , people are saying AD was the catalyst for the comeback , but I say it was Nofa .


Nofa put in for some good hard metres, Ill give him that but in defence, he LITERALLY costs us at least a try a game.

I was thinking it would even be better to put a good backrower who can defend on that wing for the dirty metres.
 
@boonboon said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357222) said:
Moses Mbye in 80 minutes he made 4 runs and had 2 missed tackles and 6 ineffective. For 900k a year that is horriffic. I doubt anyone else wants him but I say pay the 700k we have left in this yrs cap into next yrs contract and offer him for to anyone who will take him for 100k.


A very experienced overpaid fraud.I seriously cant wait till he is gone.
 
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357206) said:
@bagnf05 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357180) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357136) said:
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357081) said:
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357073) said:
@willow said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356726) said:
Bad pass from Brooks to Garner


Are you guys serious? How are you supposed to put a backrower "through a hole" if it doesnt hit his chest as he hits the line?

Brooks and Lawrence did it for years and were both praised for it. When Garner was praised in his debut year, it was the same line and pass. For gods sake dont rely on Braith for your football knowledge.

Since the dawn of time and Rugba Leeeg, the pass hitting a second rower/centre as he hits the line has been a staple. Hit the middle of his chest.

Yea , but I was taught that when you throw the short ball , it has to be soft hands , and brooks launches it into the chest . Garner had hands like feet tonight . You want to talk about blowing tries , what about his 2 .

He’s a muppet, watches a titan jump on a loose ball like it was a hand grenade

Did you see Garner on Fox taking with the Titans players / trainers about 50 minute later before the game?

Hope he signs there

Isn’t he from far north nsw / Gold Coast ? I thought he was

Guessing Nimbin
 
I *strongly* dislike Shammie Sami!
What a pleb, does nothing, jags a try or two and acts like he's the shiz... I cast a pox on that gronk!
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357209) said:
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@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357084) said:
Is there a way to vote whether Luke Brooks should be in the side? Maybe a broad vote would silence my apparent dissent (fan boys/girls win)?


Is there a way of voting on who you and NeddyK are the alts of? My money is on either Hobbo or IsaakTiger. Can the mods look at IPs?


....interestingly when a question was asked directly of Tiger8, Hobbo answered....I find that interesting.

Conspiracy ? we both think that Brooks sucks ... what a MOMENT


Mhhmmm Im sure the mods will have a look at you, NeddyK, Hobbo and ISaakTiger. Im sure the most obvious thing is that you all have different IP's, especially you and NeddyK. What would be the odds that 3 or 4 of you are all using a VPN? Surely no.....


I love it ... I’ve been here barely a week and I’ve been tied to apparent legends ... just speaking my mind. Just a fan


13 days apparently, exactly the same as NeddyK.

13 days? Yeah , I joined for the camaraderie after the Tommy R game at leichardt...perhaps you should look at the calendar and say, ‘WHY would these people possibly join a supporters forum the day after the Leichardt humiliation”? That could be the clue that unravels your concpiracy theory Sherlock? ?


Possibly, that would be one possibility......

IP addresses would be interesting or VPNs

Ha ha ha . You do you, ***I’m interested in a new halfback, that’s why I’m on the forum*** .... also I’m up on the Gold Coast, perhaps do some research on my posts before today.... it would blow the case right open for you!

Thats interesting.....the rest of us are here because we support the club.

Ill be sure to take ALL of your posts with a grain of salt as a result.
Tl.dr. I’m here to talk about football related matters on the field for the West’s Tigers, not to argue with other posters on the forum that want to accuse me of fraud and identity theft and to debate my own dissatisfaction with the form of a highly paid professional footballer that as a lifelong fan of the team I feel needs to be replaced with a better more suitable player in his position.....
 
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356989) said:
@haberfield_tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356977) said:
Hate to say it but madge looks lost.. running out of ideas. I think some of these players have checked out....

That try off the kickoff . Why wasn’t Laurie defending at right half ? And AD trailing as the fullback until the line was set . What the hell was Mbye and Luci doing .

No one pushing up on the inside mate.
 
@boonboon said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357222) said:
Moses Mbye in 80 minutes he made 4 runs and had 2 missed tackles and 6 ineffective. For 900k a year that is horriffic. I doubt anyone else wants him but I say pay the 700k we have left in this yrs cap into next yrs contract and offer him for to anyone who will take him for 100k.

He isn’t worth the old packet of Sao’s at the back of the pantry
 
It’s the same story every week. We lost that game in the first 20 because the players dropped their lip after a couple of rookies made a few mistakes. I don’t care how good Luke Brooks is he’s not going to change that. Sacking him would be stupidity personified.
All our good players are playing (and winning) for other teams, now how do we turn that around?
Maybe we should listen to Elias?
 
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@boonboon said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357222) said:
Moses Mbye in 80 minutes he made 4 runs and had 2 missed tackles and 6 ineffective. For 900k a year that is horriffic. I doubt anyone else wants him but I say pay the 700k we have left in this yrs cap into next yrs contract and offer him for to anyone who will take him for 100k.


A very experienced overpaid fraud.I seriously cant wait till he is gone.

Same.... he does not try to run the ball, he does not look to make a break and looks completely disinterested in the game....... I pray that he and Brooks find alternative employment in a different clubs colours
 
@kevb said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357060) said:
@inmadgewetrust said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356700) said:
@old_man_tiger said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356660) said:
Cini hasn't played in a team this bad since under 7's. We've got to him.

Umm Cini is a huge part of why we’ve been so bad. I would honestly say it’s the worst individual display I’ve ever seen. On par with the infamous Manu Vatuvei game against the Eels many years ago.

I guess you have played rugby yourself, if so I'm sure you maybe had a few shockers yourself, it happens mate. Give him a break it's only his 2nd NRL game. Hopefully he gets a chance to redeem himself

You’re kidding aren’t you? I don’t care if it was his 1st or 400th game. He had a shocker of absolutely epic proportions and made it near impossible for us.

This isn’t under 10’s where everyone gets a go. He absolutely shat the bed like nothing I’ve ever seen before and the consequence of that is that he will probably never play first grade again.
 
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356921) said:
@851 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356897) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356855) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

There are only a couple of these Brooks boys left, god knows what they see when they watch Brooks try play

We lost **36** - 28. We conceded 18 points in 3 sets in 5 minutes.

Luke Brooks made 20 tackles and missed 1.

yeah sure.....Luke Brooks lost this game for us.

Sarcasm aside, this is ridiculous. Luke Brooks hasnt been brilliant this year, but he didnt have a bad game today and didnt lose this game for us. Nofo's defence, Cini gave up the ball 5 times in our 30 on the first tackle, but you guys blame Brooks.

Brooks has had some poor games this year, but this level of obsession means that I can ttake any of your opinions seriously. you dont know Rugba Leag.
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357245) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356921) said:
@851 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356897) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356855) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

There are only a couple of these Brooks boys left, god knows what they see when they watch Brooks try play


We lost **36** - 28. We conceded 18 points in 3 sets in 5 minutes.

Luke Brooks made 20 tackles and missed 1.

yeah sure.....Luke Brooks lost this game for us.

Sarcasm aside, this is ridiculous. Luke Brooks hasnt been brilliant this year, but he didnt have a bad game today and didnt lose this game for us. Nofo's defence, Cini gave up the ball 5 times in our 30 on the first tackle, but you guys blame Brooks.

Brooks has had some poor games this year, but this level of obsession means that I can ttake any of your opinions seriously. you dont know Rugba Leag.

I didn’t blame brooks , relax . I’ve spent the last 2 months defending him .
 
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356907) said:
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

Are you normal? We lost because our defence was garbage . Do you people go to sleep when the other team have the ball ? Or do you think it’s u7s , you score I score ?

Sorry, I was responding to a brooks supporter saying he was invisible? I’m not normal no, just a heck lot more switch on than you son / or gal.

By blaming a loss 36-28 on our lack of attack ? Yea ok . You have no idea .

No just LUKE BROOKS to be clear

Mate you’ve got problems . No joke . Beyond delusional scape gloating .


Intersting Strongee........4 down votes. Almost like it was a coordinated effort isnt it?
 
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@yossarian said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356706) said:
Nofa going for 6 like JAC?

He would be deserving of it he tries his heart out every game

Lol he’s the laziest defender you’d ever see

He might have holes in his game but he is one of the first picked every week.

He shouldn’t be picked ever. He’s a flog

Who would we rely on for the dirty metres he always gets from our own half if he wasn't picked.

Pretty much every winger does the same thing now. His defence is unacceptable for first grade

Not sure what game you were watching but nofo was easily one of our best tonight


Wow....I wasnt watching the same game as you.

Nofa was good though man . Especially that second half , people are saying AD was the catalyst for the comeback , but I say it was Nofa .

Seems you dislike AD as much as you love Brooks.
Trying to shift the blame methinks.
 
@tiger5150 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1357250) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356953) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356942) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356931) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356926) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356907) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356855) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

Are you normal? We lost because our defence was garbage . Do you people go to sleep when the other team have the ball ? Or do you think it’s u7s , you score I score ?

Sorry, I was responding to a brooks supporter saying he was invisible? I’m not normal no, just a heck lot more switch on than you son / or gal.

By blaming a loss 36-28 on our lack of attack ? Yea ok . You have no idea .

No just LUKE BROOKS to be clear

Mate you’ve got problems . No joke . Beyond delusional scape gloating .


Intersting Strongee........4 down votes. Almost like it was a coordinated effort isnt it?

Lol who cares ! wait sorry WHY DID I GET DOWNVOTED !! Nah can’t do it , I still don’t care . Downvote away . I’m still right , that if we fix our defence this team will win footy games . If not we are gonna come second last. Even with the current playing roster .
 
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356953) said:
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@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356844) said:
@tiger8 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356819) said:
@strongee said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356808) said:
@69-05-41 said in [\*\*live game feed\*\* us vs the Titans](/post/1356788) said:
We came close, at least the happy clappers and Brooks fan boys will be satisfied

I don’t know how you blame brooks for that ? We bombed 3 tries , had Cini drop every kick / let in every trycome his way (he’s a kid in his second game so he gets a pass , but it doesnt take away from the effect) .

What did the star highly paid HB do this game?

Nothing , he was invisible , but he didn’t lose us the game is my point . Our right , again is god damn hopeless defensively .

How many teams with invisible HB’s win? None. Your support is admirable but nonsensical

Are you normal? We lost because our defence was garbage . Do you people go to sleep when the other team have the ball ? Or do you think it’s u7s , you score I score ?

Sorry, I was responding to a brooks supporter saying he was invisible? I’m not normal no, just a heck lot more switch on than you son / or gal.

By blaming a loss 36-28 on our lack of attack ? Yea ok . You have no idea .

No just LUKE BROOKS to be clear

Mate you’ve got problems . No joke . Beyond delusional scape gloating .

I think I might have watched this team longer than you mate / friend. I supported him for about 7 years to be clear.

What ? Um…….. 21 years ? am I guessing right ? Just a stab in the dark . Maybe I imagined going to opening home game in 2000. But yea you’re right mate.

I was the 88 and 89 grand finals you child

Cool , I was also there but I was 5 , and that was Balmain and not at all relevant .


I was there an 21yo.....and some of us have been on the forum more than 13 days.
 
If the nonsense in this thread continues, I'll close it down. People need to take a deep breath and keep the talk constructive thanks.
 
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