**live game feed** vs the Eels

[jirskyr]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

 

[weststigers]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

All good points…

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the 6 again though.

A couple of issues with it:

1. 1st tackle 6 agains give less advantage than, say a 5th tackle 6 again.
2. The referee seems to give these 6 agains out like they’re going out of style, then for periods of the game, gets gun shy and stops pulling up blatant ruck infringements. It’s fairly subjective as to how long a team can hold down in the tackle.
3. The sin bin coupled with the 6 again rules essentially means most teams will have points put on during that period.

To summarise the above, the punishments don’t fit the crimes. The rules punish teams so hard for minor infractions that it’s costing games. In saying that, I like the concept of the 6 again because the game was becoming too slow.

What if we made it a 8 or 9 tackle set for an infringement instead of 6 again? At the very least, a 1st tackle 6 again gets the same advantages as a 5th tackle 6 again.

 

[cochise]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

All good points…

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the 6 again though.

A couple of issues with it:

1. 1st tackle 6 agains give less advantage than, say a 5th tackle 6 again.
2. The referee seems to give these 6 agains out like they’re going out of style, then for periods of the game, gets gun shy and stops pulling up blatant ruck infringements. It’s fairly subjective as to how long a team can hold down in the tackle.
3. The sin bin coupled with the 6 again rules essentially means most teams will have points put on during that period.

To summarise the above, the punishments don’t fit the crimes. The rules punish teams so hard for minor infractions that it’s costing games. In saying that, I like the concept of the 6 again because the game was becoming too slow.

What if we made it a 8 or 9 tackle set for an infringement instead of 6 again? At the very least, a 1st tackle 6 again gets the same advantages as a 5th tackle 6 again.

Yep the change i would make it that it doesn't reset the tackle count, it adds to it. So instead of 6 again you add 3 or 4 tackles to the set, only issue is it then gives the refs something else to think about as they have to keep track or a changing tackle count.

 

[GCfan]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now

 

[weststigers]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

All good points…

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the 6 again though.

A couple of issues with it:

1. 1st tackle 6 agains give less advantage than, say a 5th tackle 6 again.
2. The referee seems to give these 6 agains out like they’re going out of style, then for periods of the game, gets gun shy and stops pulling up blatant ruck infringements. It’s fairly subjective as to how long a team can hold down in the tackle.
3. The sin bin coupled with the 6 again rules essentially means most teams will have points put on during that period.

To summarise the above, the punishments don’t fit the crimes. The rules punish teams so hard for minor infractions that it’s costing games. In saying that, I like the concept of the 6 again because the game was becoming too slow.

What if we made it a 8 or 9 tackle set for an infringement instead of 6 again? At the very least, a 1st tackle 6 again gets the same advantages as a 5th tackle 6 again.

Yep the change i would make it that it doesn't reset the tackle count, it adds to it. So instead of 6 again you add 3 or 4 tackles to the set, only issue is it then gives the refs something else to think about as they have to keep track or a changing tackle count.

Possibly...they could just call 9 tackles instead of 6 again and continue the count...they'd work it out I'm sure.

I also think the ref needs to call "off in 2" or something to make the ruck infringements less subjective. It feels like some tackles are penalised so quickly, whereas others seem to go on forever.

It's starting to become really frustrating to watch some games.

 

[cochise]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

All good points…

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the 6 again though.

A couple of issues with it:

1. 1st tackle 6 agains give less advantage than, say a 5th tackle 6 again.
2. The referee seems to give these 6 agains out like they’re going out of style, then for periods of the game, gets gun shy and stops pulling up blatant ruck infringements. It’s fairly subjective as to how long a team can hold down in the tackle.
3. The sin bin coupled with the 6 again rules essentially means most teams will have points put on during that period.

To summarise the above, the punishments don’t fit the crimes. The rules punish teams so hard for minor infractions that it’s costing games. In saying that, I like the concept of the 6 again because the game was becoming too slow.

What if we made it a 8 or 9 tackle set for an infringement instead of 6 again? At the very least, a 1st tackle 6 again gets the same advantages as a 5th tackle 6 again.

Yep the change i would make it that it doesn't reset the tackle count, it adds to it. So instead of 6 again you add 3 or 4 tackles to the set, only issue is it then gives the refs something else to think about as they have to keep track or a changing tackle count.


Possibly...they could just call 9 tackles instead of 6 again and continue the count...they'd work it out I'm sure.

I also think the ref needs to call "off in 2" or something to make the ruck infringements less subjective. It feels like some tackles are penalised so quickly, whereas others seem to go on forever.

It's starting to become really frustrating to watch some games.

And then when there is another infringement the next tackle we are up to 12 etc.

 

[weststigers]

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

Madge saying blore sinbin wrong

Madge needs spec savers

In context it was a bs call
The rules are up S creek

Have to stop making excuses for moronic plays there the rules.

***Then the rules need to be changed.***

"6 again" needs to be scrapped - too much power to the referee's to change the momentum of the game.

Also to change the result and cause massive blow outs.

If V'Landys doesn't do something about this - there will be a massive exodus from the game. I'll give him points for trying to make the game better - it hasn't, it has made it worse. Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

Are you that man Peter V'Landys?

There's a couple of things to this, if they were to revoke the 6-again.

(1) You would assume that the current 6-again calls would become regular penalties, rather than there being less penalties overall. The ref won't stop pinging teams, he'll just have a different decision to make. That ruck 6-again you didn't understand would become a ruck penalty you still didn't understand.

(2) It turns out that, perhaps unexpectedly, teams are generally better at defending sets of penalties rather than sets of 6-again. That 30 second rest between penalties is enough for elite players to quick recharge and go again.

(3) Some teams became very good at defending their line for sets of 6, with a little breather in-between, and that's not a primary defensive driver any more. They now have to scrap better for 6-20 consecutive tackles without a rest. It's probably not any surprise that teams like Broncos who used to be defensive-line powerhouses, who used to concede penalties on purpose (and it got them to the 2015 GF under Bennett) have found it difficult to adjust.

(3) Most teams haven't developed the kind of defensive endurance to defend 12-18 tackles without a rest. I think this explains the blow-outs. So for example Tigers yesterday, they defended alright (hanging on really), but the defensive toll mounted, and once Blore was off, that was the straw that broke the camel's back - no reserve to defend those length-field expansive tries.

(4) The problem is if you go back to the old system of penalties, it does really reward the lesser teams for "hanging in there". And maybe the game is better when the game flow reduces the gap between good and bad teams, so long as we are OK going back to that place. I think we'd see less blowouts even if the ultimate winners and losers don't adjust very much.

(5) We have to remember the reason they brought in the 6-again was because people were becoming frustrated with the wrestle and lack of expansive football. Teams without fatigue could tackle all game and suffocate attacks. NRL 2021 is what happens when you unleash the attack and put defence under constant pressure - fatigue drops overall quality of decision-making, teams rack up big scores in short order, key decisions or sin-bins swing matches decisively.

All good points…

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the 6 again though.

A couple of issues with it:

1. 1st tackle 6 agains give less advantage than, say a 5th tackle 6 again.
2. The referee seems to give these 6 agains out like they’re going out of style, then for periods of the game, gets gun shy and stops pulling up blatant ruck infringements. It’s fairly subjective as to how long a team can hold down in the tackle.
3. The sin bin coupled with the 6 again rules essentially means most teams will have points put on during that period.

To summarise the above, the punishments don’t fit the crimes. The rules punish teams so hard for minor infractions that it’s costing games. In saying that, I like the concept of the 6 again because the game was becoming too slow.

What if we made it a 8 or 9 tackle set for an infringement instead of 6 again? At the very least, a 1st tackle 6 again gets the same advantages as a 5th tackle 6 again.

Yep the change i would make it that it doesn't reset the tackle count, it adds to it. So instead of 6 again you add 3 or 4 tackles to the set, only issue is it then gives the refs something else to think about as they have to keep track or a changing tackle count.


Possibly...they could just call 9 tackles instead of 6 again and continue the count...they'd work it out I'm sure.

I also think the ref needs to call "off in 2" or something to make the ruck infringements less subjective. It feels like some tackles are penalised so quickly, whereas others seem to go on forever.

It's starting to become really frustrating to watch some games.

And then when there is another infringement the next tackle we are up to 12 etc.

Agreed - Would be better for sure.

 

[innsaneink]

We had to do a million more tackles in the the first half thanks to some horrendous referring and it took s its toll. If we were given a go by the pea blower we might have got close. The ref has zero feel for a game and that’s now two weeks in a row.
The six again lottery must be without doubt the biggest negative in the game. The Storm game is going to be harder, must maybe we might get a ref who gives both teams ago

We concede 40 every time we play a decent team. It’s not refereeing

Atkins didn’t help Parra could have been pinged a number of times but he elected to ignore

Good teams defend for 6 tackles when something goes against them.

8 set re-starts or whatever it was makes life hard. Penalising a team relentlessly in the first half takes out the energy required later in the game. It's a simple way for a ref to manage a result. Numbers can be adjusted later to even the equation somewhat. Stuff like giving repeat sets on zero tackle or multiple penalties one after the other late in a game are a classic example. We may not have been (probably weren't) good enough to win. But we certainly weren't given the opportunity to compete as we might have been if we were a higher ranked team in the ref and video refs eyes.
Why Moses wasn't sent to the bin for high contact is an absolute joke.

The game is turning into a version of a "Spanish Bullfight" - before hand the result is pretty much known. The designated team (like the Bull) is handicapped in the first part of the contest. i.e. The Bull is speared and jabbed so it is weakened / the RL team is smothered with 6 agains and penalties to weaken them for the second half.

The only difference is the Bull is killed by the Matador and t**he RL league team is killed by the Referee**.

Not all of them

 

[Russell]

What did we learn from that game?
It’s not easy to win with a completion rate of 71%,
46 missed tackles
and getting penalised 20 times.
Mbye is a better 6 than Walters.
We need to find a way to **get that stupid grin off Moses’ face.**

Apparently, it's only a 10 minute penalty to put one across his face and put him out of the game :joy: :joy: :joy:

Next time.

 

[Russell]

What did we learn from that game?
It’s not easy to win with a completion rate of 71%,
46 missed tackles
and getting penalised 20 times.
Mbye is a better 6 than Walters.
We need to find a way to **get that stupid grin off Moses’ face.**

Apparently, it's only a 10 minute penalty to put one across his face and put him out of the game :joy: :joy: :joy:

Also, Isaiah Papali’i found that it’s only a 10min rest for dropping a knee on Luciano Leilua’s head?

Only 71/2 min. actually.

 

[the_third]

Oh well. You got what you wanted Ref. You've done everything u can to get Parra up. You smirk with happiness after every try of theirs. You're a disgrace.

We’re losing 32-6 and we’re blaming the refs. Ok…

The Blore sin bin was disgraceful. 6 agains up the wazoo…the fact 3 out of 4 challenges have been successful shows how poor this guy has been.

It's always a sin bin, Blore was a moron for dragging lussick

He barely touched him.

How much he touched him doesn't matter clearly grabbed his jersey

Not sure about that mate. There is always a scale and Blore's was fairly innocuous.

Brown had already broken through - Lussick wasn't even going to feature in the play.



Just thought 10 minutes was a heavy price to pay.

The game is a farce . The refs basically decide who wins and loses . Which was the exact opposite , of what the 6 again rule was for . It was meant to reduce stoppages and ref influence and basically it’s been over used , and completely rigging outcomes . I don’t think it’s corruption , but just people who’s livelihood is affected ( the refs) so now they are going to do it to the best of thier ability. Only they have a completely different idea of what thier best looks like.

I'm not a fan of the 6 again atm. I agree, its not being used for betterment of the game. This rule is completely rubbing teams out of a game and is in no way consistent. Its hard not to believe that there are favoured teams out there that get away with more than others.

Six again promotes acting from the tackled player. I hate hearing milking and it goes unpunished, but anything from the tackler gets a six again.

It need to go


We were never a chance:joy: :grinning: :disappointed_relieved:

There was another shot of him joking with gutherson as well

 

[Demps]

Oh well. You got what you wanted Ref. You've done everything u can to get Parra up. You smirk with happiness after every try of theirs. You're a disgrace.

We’re losing 32-6 and we’re blaming the refs. Ok…

The Blore sin bin was disgraceful. 6 agains up the wazoo…the fact 3 out of 4 challenges have been successful shows how poor this guy has been.

It's always a sin bin, Blore was a moron for dragging lussick

He barely touched him.

How much he touched him doesn't matter clearly grabbed his jersey

Not sure about that mate. There is always a scale and Blore's was fairly innocuous.

Brown had already broken through - Lussick wasn't even going to feature in the play.



Just thought 10 minutes was a heavy price to pay.

The game is a farce . The refs basically decide who wins and loses . Which was the exact opposite , of what the 6 again rule was for . It was meant to reduce stoppages and ref influence and basically it’s been over used , and completely rigging outcomes . I don’t think it’s corruption , but just people who’s livelihood is affected ( the refs) so now they are going to do it to the best of thier ability. Only they have a completely different idea of what thier best looks like.

I'm not a fan of the 6 again atm. I agree, its not being used for betterment of the game. This rule is completely rubbing teams out of a game and is in no way consistent. Its hard not to believe that there are favoured teams out there that get away with more than others.

Six again promotes acting from the tackled player. I hate hearing milking and it goes unpunished, but anything from the tackler gets a six again.

It need to go


We were never a chance:joy: :grinning: :disappointed_relieved:

There was another shot of him joking with gutherson as well

This is an embarrassment.

This should be investigated.

 

[the_third]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now

Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

 

[Russell]

We had to do a million more tackles in the the first half thanks to some horrendous referring and it took s its toll. If we were given a go by the pea blower we might have got close. The ref has zero feel for a game and that’s now two weeks in a row.
The six again lottery must be without doubt the biggest negative in the game. The Storm game is going to be harder, must maybe we might get a ref who gives both teams ago

We concede 40 every time we play a decent team. It’s not refereeing

Atkins didn’t help Parra could have been pinged a number of times but he elected to ignore

Good teams defend for 6 tackles when something goes against them.

8 set re-starts or whatever it was makes life hard. Penalising a team relentlessly in the first half takes out the energy required later in the game. It's a simple way for a ref to manage a result. Numbers can be adjusted later to even the equation somewhat. Stuff like giving repeat sets on zero tackle or multiple penalties one after the other late in a game are a classic example. We may not have been (probably weren't) good enough to win. But we certainly weren't given the opportunity to compete as we might have been if we were a higher ranked team in the ref and video refs eyes.
Why Moses wasn't sent to the bin for high contact is an absolute joke.

The game is turning into a version of a "Spanish Bullfight" - before hand the result is pretty much known. The designated team (like the Bull) is handicapped in the first part of the contest. i.e. The Bull is speared and jabbed so it is weakened / the RL team is smothered with 6 agains and penalties to weaken them for the second half.

The only difference is the Bull is killed by the Matador and t**he RL league team is killed by the Referee**.


Not all of them

You're right, not the favored ones,

 

[cochise]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

 

[TheDaBoss]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff never hurt no one

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff for the lads

 

[cochise]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff never hurt no one

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff for the lads

The wrestle had nothing to do with biff though.

 

[JC99]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff never hurt no one

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff for the lads

The wrestle had nothing to do with biff though.

It's funny the new rules were to stop the wrestle but I reckon the same teams who wrestled a lot take advantage of the new rules more than anyone. Just look at Melbourne they've got the best points per game average of all time ? the wrestle was getting a bit much just not sure this was the answer

 

[twentyforty]

What did we learn from that game?
It’s not easy to win with a completion rate of 71%,
46 missed tackles
and getting penalised 20 times.
Mbye is a better 6 than Walters.
We need to find a way to **get that stupid grin off Moses’ face.**

Apparently, it's only a 10 minute penalty to put one across his face and put him out of the game :joy: :joy: :joy:

Also, Isaiah Papali’i found that it’s only a 10min rest for dropping a knee on Luciano Leilua’s head?

Only 71/2 min. actually.

It should be compulsory for him to serve the other 2.5 minutes in his next game back

 

[cochise]

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff never hurt no one

10 in the bin. weak

You guys think we are inconsistent

Proctor doesn't get binned

Heatherington gets set off

Sivo get 10 minutes in the bin.

All head high tackles - all get ajudicated differently for the same offence.

The Referees are a joke, the bunker is a joke, because they are the referees as well.

Unfortunately the game is turning into a joke.

What do we do about it Russ. All when do is stop watching

That is the problem Tony - if only everyone could stop going/watching for a month - they would change, but that won't happen of course. The teams that don't get rorted (their supporters) wouldn't join anyway. Only thing left is email/write to V'Landys/Abdo and complain about the anomalies - won't happen either.

I guess fans put up with it until they have had enough and then give the game away.

50% of the people watching are always going to be happy. That’s why you won’t get a mass exodus. If we were on the right side of the penalty count and six agains we’d probably be happy right now


Not really, the current rules are a real turn off. I’d take a win, but the games would still be rubbish.

Would prefer the wrestle we used to have?

Bit of biff for the lads

The wrestle had nothing to do with biff though.

It's funny the new rules were to stop the wrestle but I reckon the same teams who wrestled a lot take advantage of the new rules more than anyone. Just look at Melbourne they've got the best points per game average of all time ? the wrestle was getting a bit much just not sure this was the answer

It's not funny at all, they are just the best coached sides that now how to take advantage of any rule changes implemented.