Looks like heino will be going too

Re Heighington the DT has a story this morning which states Tigers will only let him go if he goes to a UK Super League club. Just doesn't make sense to me that Sheens would tell him he is not in his plans for next year and then to unfairly limit his opportunities elsewhere. I doubt the integrity of what is being printed at the moment in regard to Heighington.
Obvious cleanout occurring at the moment but Heighno is one I would have thought is a keeper.
Hudson Smith
 
@hudsonsmith said:
Re Heighington the DT has a story this morning which states Tigers will only let him go if he goes to a UK Super League club. Just doesn't make sense to me that Sheens would tell him he is not in his plans for next year and then to unfairly limit his opportunities elsewhere. I doubt the integrity of what is being printed at the moment in regard to Heighington.
Obvious cleanout occurring at the moment but Heighno is one I would have thought is a keeper.
Hudson Smith

He is in the plans, just may not be in the run on side if he doesn't create more impact. He has been doing that lately, so I would be surprised if Sheensy benched him next year if he continues to step up.

The Tigers have a contract with him and want to have him on the bench. Of course they wouldn't let him go to competing club. They want him, but I think Sheensy is letting him know that he won't be handed a run-on spot on a platter.

Management are finally creating some competitiveness in the club and I applaud them for that!
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
@bonstonker said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
Again, Heighington is all about quantity, not quality. You can't measure impact. Yes he makes metres but work out his metres per run, or more importantly, the amount of metres he makes once he hits the line. Yes, he makes plenty of tackles, but they don't measure how many of them sting or hurt.

I think it is perfectly acceptable and actually spot on that he would be a bench player next season. Hope he stays in this role but I don't consider him an 80 minute player, nor is he an elite player. Again, people need to look at our side without the Tiger glasses on: I feel alot of our players are very overrated by our fans.

We only have two quality forwards who consistently perform and have IMPACT in everything they do and they are Ellis and Galloway. Blair will make it three if he is signed. The rest of our forwards are either average first graders (Gibbs, Heighington, Fulton) or promising youngsters (Dwyer, Fifita, BMM, Woods, Groat etc.) who the club is obviously hoping will continually improve and take their game to the next level over the next few years.

he makes more than blair in every hit up category.
the only thing i rate blair higher is wrestling.
rhino has made a heap of yards after contact this year,and provided momentum purely from his own back.not from waiting for the perfect time to hit up after someone else work.
does more ealry hit ups and inside our 30.
what you fail to notice is the amount of hit ups he does against a compressed defense instead of bludging on the edges.

maybe you should be looking at the culture shock blair is going to get when he sees a pack that is not as consistent as the storm pack he is used to.
the crap kicking game that does not allow him rest from repeat sets and the extra work in defense from this and our lack of ball control.

rhino has had to work through this his whole career and continues to do a fine job.
he is far from just average

You are comparing the two on stats. Stats do not interest me, impact does. I maintain Heighington is a good, solid player but not a world beater. Again, I repeat that I am perfectly happy for him to stay but IMO he is not an 80 minute player and I think its perfectly acceptable that he would be deemed a bench player next season. To say it is a joke, well I don't get that. For years and years and years people have whinged that our forwards get dominated, then we we look to be moving on some players or changing their roles (i.e Rhino from starting back rower to bench replacement) people are up in arms. You can't have it both ways.

I have no doubt Heighington works hard and has always given us 110 per cent but he does not have the impact a starting second rower should have in 2011 and there is a reason he has not played rep football. He has little variety in his game, is pretty one dimensional, has no offload, and is not a very good hole runner. He has decent leg drive when he hits the line but he is easily dominated in the wrestle and he does not make anywhere near as many metres after contact as someone like Ellis does.

Interesting you mention Blair being better at wrestling - this is something we really struggle with, we are probably the worst in the comp at it and as much as people do not like it, that is a massive part of the game at the moment. This factor alone makes him an interesting and thoughtful inclusion.

of course stats don't interest you when they show you are off base.
you asked me to compare hit ups.
i provided for you and now suddenly they don't matter.

have you heard me complain about fifita and gibbs going?
or moltzen & fulton being shopped around?
no i haven't,but i have a real problem with rhino going.

if rhino were to go,then that keeps dwyer as a starter,and that doesn't sit well with me.
how the hell does that make it better.how is that not a joke?
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right now nothing makes sense to me.offload payten,gibbs,fifita and rhino.
and sign blair
i will tolerate our lack of proven front row players alot more if blair ellis and rhino are our starting backrow.
but to spend more money and have ellis,blair and dwyer just seems ridiculous.
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of course i mentioned wrestling,when we had a thread about our biggest mistake i said our failure to hire a wrestling coach and not practicing our technique was it.we have been paying the price alot longer than the signing of lamb.

maybe the gold in the blair signing will be that he will be running wrestling drills when he joins.

have any props been mentioned anywhere.even a rumor on a dunny door
are we seriously going with an u/20 prop rotation.
 
@hammertime said:
He is in the plans, just may not be in the run on side if he doesn't create more impact. He has been doing that lately, so I would be surprised if Sheensy benched him next year if he continues to step up.

The Tigers have a contract with him and want to have him on the bench. Of course they wouldn't let him go to competing club. They want him, but I think Sheensy is letting him know that he won't be handed a run-on spot on a platter.

Management are finally creating some competitiveness in the club and I applaud them for that!

Well said… I didnt think both articles were that hard to work out.

I understand Chris being annoyed about having some bench time, but he wasnt that strong over the previous month and a 10 minutes spell seemed to freshen him up. The last 2 weeks, he has been great, making breaks, looking to offload (sadely no one there) and making a heap of tackles. If Chris keeps playing his best football, we wont be on the bench for too long in 2012...
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Well said… I didnt think both articles were that hard to work out.

what isn't hard to work out with the tigers this year.
i thought a press release saying that we were extending fifita wasn't that hard to work out.

think i'm going to have a hard time believing anything until round 1 next year.
 
@helmesy said:
I can see where the club is coming from the Tigers have been absolutely bashed by the Storm and the Bulldogs. Other teams seem bigger and stronger than us and we need to change to keep up.

Bollocks! The Storm's biggest advantage is their dodgy tackling practices. Disabling attackers for 10 seconds at a time create a huge defensive advantage and equate to less points conceded per game. Tigers get I to trouble constantly by opponents bouncing off the ground to play the ball without stopping. Any ref worth a quid could determine the winner of almost any match. The Dogs didn't outplay us in the forwards but in kicking and the backs. Dwyer is bigger than Heighno but less effective. We got Galloway without tearing apart the side, so why this time?
 
If heighno and beau end up at penrith which i think is likely, we need to gain something. You dont offload so many players (payten, gibbs, fifita, flanagan and possibly lui, heighno, beau, daniella and moors just to gain blair. That doesnt add up. There must be more players management are negotiating with. My point being if heighno and beau sign with the panthers maybe we could end up with coote or gordon…
 
Heighington is the tigers version of Paul Gallen.If he is allowed to go there should be a criminal investagation.There would be riots all the way from Lumeah to Leichardt
 
@sameulcon said:
If heighno and beau end up at penrith which i think is likely, we need to gain something. You dont offload so many players (payten, gibbs, fifita, flanagan and possibly lui, heighno, beau, daniella and moors just to gain blair. That doesnt add up. There must be more players management are negotiating with. My point being if heighno and beau sign with the panthers maybe we could end up with coote or gordon…

yeah except Coote and Gordon are under contract
 
I think player trades will become much more common in the next few years ala USA footy, basketball and even AFL. Heighno for Flash Gordon would tick some boxes for both clubs (fullback, speed, goals for tigers) Coote likewise. Maybe a swap with Broncos - Lui for Hoffman. Pure speculation, but I agree with many others- there has to be more signings than Blair.
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Heighno and Beau are contracted for next season. As was Gibbs and Fifita. As are Moltzen and Fulton. All these players have either signed elsewhere or been given permission to negotiate.
 
@hammertime said:
He is in the plans, just may not be in the run on side if he doesn't create more impact. He has been doing that lately, so I would be surprised if Sheensy benched him next year if he continues to step up.

The Tigers have a contract with him and want to have him on the bench. Of course they wouldn't let him go to competing club. They want him, but I think Sheensy is letting him know that he won't be handed a run-on spot on a platter.

Management are finally creating some competitiveness in the club and I applaud them for that!

what about keeping Dwyer honest? He has 8 years on Ellis with only half the stats, and that off to one side away from the heat of the ruck! He is potentially better than rhino but at this stage is inferior.
 
I have a fantastic idea for sheensy….how bout you have rhino pack on some kgs in the off season so he can become the same size as gal. Really he is pretty much the same build as gal and plays the same just a few kgs lighter...

I dont get it rhino still makes metres makes tackles and is a very strong player....big blokes dont get over the top of him....he runs and spins all night long and it works.

He has something that no bought player can bring to the club and that is he actually has pride in the tigers jersey and wears his heart on his sleeve...he gives 100% every game
 
@bonstonker said:
of course stats don't interest you when they show you are off base.
you asked me to compare hit ups.
i provided for you and now suddenly they don't matter.

How am I off base? My opinion is that Heighington is a solid first grader, but not the irreplaceable world beater that many here seem to think he is. He lacks impact - only Galloway and Ellis provide this, as does Dwyer in small doses. He gets through alot of work but he is fairly small and his style of game is one dimensional.

I am also not concerned about Adam Blair's form this season. I have seen what he is capable of in previous years, and also with NZ. Form is temporary, class is permanent, and he has it. I will not complain when we are signing one of the best forwards that is off contract who also happens to be the NZ vice captain.

@bonstonker said:
if rhino were to go,then that keeps dwyer as a starter,and that doesn't sit well with me.
how the hell does that make it better.how is that not a joke?

It's not a joke because nobody knows who will be a starter and who will not, nor who else we are signing besides Blair. I will not blow up until the roster is finalised, then we can judge.

As for Dwyer, he is still learning and has deficiencies in his game (mainly defensively) but he is more of a weapon with ball in hand than Heighington will ever be and IMO will eventually develop into a quality player who will play rep football.
 
@russelldp said:
I think player trades will become much more common in the next few years ala USA footy, basketball and even AFL. Heighno for Flash Gordon would tick some boxes for both clubs (fullback, speed, goals for tigers) Coote likewise. Maybe a swap with Broncos - Lui for Hoffman. Pure speculation, but I agree with many others- there has to be more signings than Blair.
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I don't mind the concept of player swaps… contracts are entered into with good faith but at times things don't work out for either party so maybe a June 30 player swap meet every year worth thinking about .I could think of one player swap I would of liked Terry Hill !
 
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