Lui or Moltzen?

[batboy]

you wanna talk attacking blunders, He was OUR ONLY attack on Friday, Directly set up 2 tries and scored himself!!
And poor defence, You must forget Moltz's first year in 1st, He was a turnstyle.. Despite having a couple years on Lui.
I don't think the suns shine out his whatsitcalled…. YET!! But he is heads and shoulders above Moltz in most areas of the game already. Moltz is more experienced, bigger and faster yeah.... BUT HE IS A SUPPORT PLAYER!!
Something you obviously cannot see... And is less of a 1/2 than Benji. Lui is still young and had is share of Injury also. When he has had as much experience as Moltz (which he hasn't as yet) He will become IMO the best half the tigers have ever had!!
It may be hard, But believe me when I tell you that you may be forced to admit this sooner than you would like.....

 

[Moh]

Haha, laughable. Really.

The Lui/Ellis combo was one of the best in the game towards the end of last season - brilliant hole running and brilliant vision/passing by Lui. He is a very strong runner too.

Only weakness is his defense. Only thing you can fault him on, but hey, he's a halfback it's not like that's a surprise.

You're also forgetting how young he is, especially for a halfback. If he keeps developing the way he is, he's going to be one of the best halfbacks in the game in a few years time.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Honestly think a lot of you think the sun shines from a certain section of Robert Lui's anatomy - blinding you from his attacking blunders and (really) poor defence.
Moltzen has been forced to play a different position every week - most of them not suited to him.
IMO Moltzen is a superior player and will make a better half - if he ever gets to play there consistently.

I'm curious as to what attributes you think Moltzen has over Lui as a halfback?

By the way Lui's defense is improving and is no worse than Moltzen's.

Chris Lawrence was a terrible defender when he first came into FG. 18-24 months later and he had improved out of sight. Lui defends in the middle of the field and gets alot of traffic run at him. He will miss tackles but if you can't see his defense improving you are blind or not watching the same game.

 

[batboy]

Anyone who thinks Moltz has anything over Lui Bar Size, Speed and Experience is Dillusional…
Apart from these.... He is not even in the same League as Lui.
Lui has copped it enough on here I think, At this point there is only two 1/2's in the game I'd trade him for... Cronk and JT!! And that's at game level only as people I am not in a position to make a call on either....
Rob Lui is a hellova Nice fella, and one future superstar of the game!! And while my Whatsitcalled is pointing to the ground...
I'll back him all the way!!

 

[cktiger]

Anyone who thinks Moltz has anything over Lui Bar Size, Speed and Experience is Dillusional…
Apart from these.... He is not even in the same League as Lui.
Lui has copped it enough on here I think, At this point there is only two 1/2's in the game I'd trade him for... Cronk and JT!! And that's at game level only as people I am not in a position to make a call on either....
Rob Lui is a hellova Nice fella, and one future superstar of the game!! And while my Whatsitcalled is pointing to the ground...
I'll back him all the way!!

So you are saying he is bigger , faster and got more experience than Lui but not in the same league?
As for Lui being our best ever half then I suppose that puts him in front of Craig Field and John Morris but have you forgotton Scott Prince (or Marshall and Farah who also had stints at half)
My reasons for choosing Moltzen at half over Lui?
Moltzen doesn't make as many mistakes at half as Lui( not like when he is out of position at fullback) , is faster , defends better and has better hands.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Moltzen doesn't make as many mistakes at half as Lui( not like when he is out of position at fullback)

Generally when you do less, you would make less mistakes.

Lui gets far more involved than Moltzen at halfback.

is faster

That I will agree on. Though I think Lui's speed is deceptive. But yes, Moltzen is quicker.

defends better

Disagree. Lui's defence is ever improving and no worse than Moltzen's.

has better hands.

In what way do you mean?

IMO Lui has it all over Moltzen at halfback. Much more variety in his game. Runs at the line more, creating confusion in defence. He can throw a slick pass left or right, and can also throw a good long or short pass. He often puts players like Ellis through gaps running on the fringes. He is deceptive when running to the line and often gets a hand free. His kicking game is also much better than Moltzen's and more importantly he kicks far more often. Apparently Moltzen has the biggest boot at the club but you would never know it as he hardly kicks.

Moltzen is a good runner of the ball but as a halfback Lui has far more strings to his bow. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[batboy]

No He isn't… He is bigger and faster than Darren Lockyer as well!!
Lui's vision and ability to direct the team (Which in case you didn't know, Is the primary Job of a 7) towers Moltz from every angle.
And NO I didn't forget Scott Prince... But I also Look at what he has done from Early 2006 since Benji was not outside him and LAUGH at the suggestion!! Maybe YOU'RE forgetting when Scott Prince came to us it was his 7th year at the top grade. Rob Lui hasn't even had a full season!!
Moltz doesn't make as many mistakes at 1/2 as Lui... Because he spent most of the time at 6!!
Moltz is a 5/8... Support Player, Not a play maker.
NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE!!
At Rob Lui's age Moltz hadn't even made grade yet!!
I beg you to under rate Lui further...
It is at your own peril!!

 

[batboy]

SPOT ON, SPOT ON, SPOT ON HT
…..... There are other people capable of watching a football game and don't just notice the number on the back of the guy that scores the tries!!

Moltzen doesn't make as many mistakes at half as Lui( not like when he is out of position at fullback)

Generally when you do less, you would make less mistakes.

Lui gets far more involved than Moltzen at halfback.

is faster

That I will agree on. Though I think Lui's speed is deceptive. But yes, Moltzen is quicker.

defends better

Disagree. Lui's defence is ever improving and no worse than Moltzen's.

has better hands.

In what way do you mean?

IMO Lui has it all over Moltzen at halfback. Much more variety in his game. Runs at the line more, creating confusion in defence. He can throw a slick pass left or right, and can also throw a good long or short pass. He often puts players like Ellis through gaps running on the fringes. He is deceptive when running to the line and often gets a hand free. His kicking game is also much better than Moltzen's and more importantly he kicks far more often. Apparently Moltzen has the biggest boot at the club but you would never know it as he hardly kicks.

Moltzen is a good runner of the ball but as a halfback Lui has far more strings to his bow. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[cktiger]

SPOT ON, SPOT ON, SPOT ON HT
…..... There are other people capable of watching a football game and don't just notice the number on the back of the guy that scores the tries!!

Moltzen doesn't make as many mistakes at half as Lui( not like when he is out of position at fullback)

Generally when you do less, you would make less mistakes.

Lui gets far more involved than Moltzen at halfback.

is faster

That I will agree on. Though I think Lui's speed is deceptive. But yes, Moltzen is quicker.

defends better

Disagree. Lui's defence is ever improving and no worse than Moltzen's.

has better hands.

In what way do you mean?

IMO Lui has it all over Moltzen at halfback. Much more variety in his game. Runs at the line more, creating confusion in defence. He can throw a slick pass left or right, and can also throw a good long or short pass. He often puts players like Ellis through gaps running on the fringes. He is deceptive when running to the line and often gets a hand free. His kicking game is also much better than Moltzen's and more importantly he kicks far more often. Apparently Moltzen has the biggest boot at the club but you would never know it as he hardly kicks.

Moltzen is a good runner of the ball but as a halfback Lui has far more strings to his bow. That's my opinion anyway.

Gotta laugh - everyones entititled to their own opinion.
Everything you guys say Lui can do so can Moltzen but he hasn't had much chance at halfback- he always ends up playing somewhere else because of injury.
How do you guys think Lui would have gone at fullback or in the centres if he was dumped there at the last minute?
I'm not saying Lui has no talent - just prefer Moltzen at half

 

[Lukic]

No He isn't… He is bigger and faster than Darren Lockyer as well!!
Lui's vision and ability to direct the team (Which in case you didn't know, Is the primary Job of a 7) towers Moltz from every angle.
And NO I didn't forget Scott Prince... But I also Look at what he has done from Early 2006 since Benji was not outside him and LAUGH at the suggestion!! Maybe YOU'RE forgetting when Scott Prince came to us it was his 7th year at the top grade. Rob Lui hasn't even had a full season!!
Moltz doesn't make as many mistakes at 1/2 as Lui... Because he spent most of the time at 6!!
Moltz is a 5/8... Support Player, Not a play maker.
NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE!!
At Rob Lui's age Moltz hadn't even made grade yet!!
I beg you to under rate Lui further...
It is at your own peril!!

Lui doesn't direct the team. He's not a halfback. He's a 5/8th. He excells at the 5/8ths role but he doesn't provide proper structure nor organise the team. Moltzen, in his time at halfback, has shown a greater ability to structure and organise a team. Moltzen is definitely more a halfback than Lui, whereas Lui is more of a 5/8th. You see it the wrong way around.

If 5/8ths are support players and not play makers, as you say, then what is Benji? Is he a halfback then? He's obviously a play maker and not a support player, so that's what it must make him. Lui is no different at all to playing Benji at halfback (which evidently did not yield successful results), it just so happens that right now/last year our team is/was much better than the one of 3 years ago. Lui and Marshall are both 100% 5/8ths.

Also, for the record I'm pretty sure Moltzen was actually younger when he debuted than Lui was when he did. But that doesn't matter, when you've got one eye fixed on something, you're bound to miss certain things.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I can't believe anyone thinks Moltzen is an organiser.

Seriously?

 

[Demps]

I can't believe anyone thinks Moltzen is an organiser.

Seriously?

Lol, I'm with ya.
Moltzen is a pea heart, really needs some time in state cup and then still - he's not replacing Lui.
FUUUUUUUUUUUU OUTTA HERE

 

[Goose]

There is 2 things i dont get on this forum. How much everyone bags Moltzen, and how much everyone wraps Lui.

Both are developing players, that have talent and alot to learn.

With Moltz had half we are 8 from 9…..he is clearly not a bad half. (this alone does not make him a champion)
the kid can play, clearly, in my opinion. at the moment he is being moved around every match, and even during matches, this does not help, and every one on here bags the crap out of everything he does.

Lui on here is the reverse, every good thing he does has him hailed a miracle worker who is the next immortal, and all his weaknesses are glossed over. He is a long way from the finished product.

IMO i think Moltz is the better footballer, in a close race, and accept people who believe lui is better in a close race, I think any one who thinks their is a chasm in their ability and performance at half back, like many on here are doing, I reckon they have either a bias or are not a good judge of footy.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

They are both good players but very different in style.

As far as I can see nobody has said Lui is the finished product, but IMO he has far more strings to his bow than Moltzen.

I don't honestly know how anyone can say Moltzen is an organiser. He is not.

 

[Goose]

neither are good organisers at this stage imo…. I think we have look best organised against Souths and the Raiders this year.... One with each Lui and Moltzen at half. But the games we were least organised, Bulldogs, Warriors and Broncos, Lui was half.

So as a team, we have been more organised with Moltz than lui, perhaps this is where people are getting that from, Moltz is perhaps more structured than lui.... but agree, Moltz is not really an organiser.

 

[The_Phantom]

Lui by the length of a footy field

 

[BornBlack_amp_Gold]

There is 2 things i dont get on this forum. How much everyone bags Moltzen, and how much everyone wraps Lui.

Both are developing players, that have talent and alot to learn.

With Moltz had half we are 8 from 9…..he is clearly not a bad half. (this alone does not make him a champion)
the kid can play, clearly, in my opinion. at the moment he is being moved around every match, and even during matches, this does not help, and every one on here bags the crap out of everything he does.

Lui on here is the reverse, every good thing he does has him hailed a miracle worker who is the next immortal, and all his weaknesses are glossed over. He is a long way from the finished product.

IMO i think Moltz is the better footballer, in a close race, and accept people who believe lui is better in a close race, I think any one who thinks their is a chasm in their ability and performance at half back, like many on here are doing, I reckon they have either a bias or are not a good judge of footy.

I think it took 3 pages but finally a post from someone that isn't carrying a torch for either of these two players. Some of the man love is embarrassing in here, i really hope some of these comments, (particularly examples like; lui is a god!) are not coming from grown men!
Both these young blokes have plenty of talent, both as 5/8's that can play halfback. but neither has shown that they should be THE choice as half in this team. At this point in time im happy with either of them named at half.

 

[Vicious]

Robert Lui is the better halfback and i`m a massive Tim Moltzen fan.
Jacob Miller is a potential superstar, but still won`t be as good a halfback as Robert Lui.
Lui and Marshall are already the best halves combination in the competition and only getting better.

 

[Lukic]

I can't believe anyone thinks Moltzen is an organiser.

Seriously?

He's not much of an organiser, but he's more so an organiser than Lui - the games and results have shown this. Our most organised and best structured performances since Scott Prince left (bar the Mat Head cameo) were the games which Moltzen was our halfback and co-incidentally we're 9/10 or whatever it is. Moltzen's obviously not an organiser in the realm of your Smith, Pearce, Lockyer etc but his ability to structure the team and see when the play is a lot better than that of Lui's.

 

[cktiger]

Robert Lui is the better halfback and i`m a massive Tim Moltzen fan.
Jacob Miller is a potential superstar, but still won`t be as good a halfback as Robert Lui.
Lui and Marshall are already the best halves combination in the competition and only getting better.

I'm on record as saying I prefer Moltzen - but to prefer Lui and say we already have the best halves in the comp?
There are already established guys miles in front (as combinations)- Wallace/Lockyer , Pearce/Carney . Mullen/ Gidley , Hornby/Soward.
As much as I do prefer Moltzen at half we have to decide on ONE guy and leave him there to actually form a combination with Marshall!