Luke Brooks #167

TCL said:
of course they are going to say that and of course they would want him beyond 2023 publicly however, I cannot see them signing him if he doesn’t perform this year. The only caveat I will put on that is if they cannot land a better 7 they may keep him at a significantly reduced rate. Having said all of that if I was LB and this year doesnt work out I would pack my bags and leave.

I wouldn’t put any weight into what a coach says in preseason interviews.
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that is why they moved the other bloke on... I think if the money is right Sheens will strike a deal with Brooks for 2024 and beyond
 
TCL said:
of course they are going to say that and of course they would want him beyond 2023 publicly however, I cannot see them signing him if he doesn’t perform this year. The only caveat I will put on that is if they cannot land a better 7 they may keep him at a significantly reduced rate. Having said all of that if I was LB and this year doesnt work out I would pack my bags and leave.

I wouldn’t put any weight into what a coach says in preseason interviews.
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There is at least one interview by Sheens where he has made mention of it. You can search online to find the articles. He mentions a restructured deal which is a good outcome for both parties.

If Sheens and Marshall wanted Brooks gone, he would be gone like Hastings.

The club has gone all out to bolster the pack and I'm looking forward to watching our new players perform with a style of football which best suits the skills of our players.
 
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Alltheway said:
Sorry bud but that’s just looking at things through tainted glasses! So what your saying is he was lucky? Lucky 4 times in the NRL, please! What about all the great coaches that have come out in the modern game, that he had coached. Is he perfect, no. If your really talking about luck look no further than Maguire, one premiership of a star studded wabbit team that was just fat and lazy. He got them fit, then they won the comp. Never to be repeated again. One time is luck, not four!
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Maguire was struck up the backside with a side ready win a comp in 2024 GI and Burgess plus other good players.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
There is at least one interview by Sheens where he has made mention of it. You can search online to find the articles. He mentions a restructured deal which is a good outcome for both parties.

If the Sheens and Marshall wanted Brooks gone, he would be gone like Hastings.

The club has gone all out to bolster the pack and I'm looking forward to watching our new players perform with a style of football which best suits the skills of our players.
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if they didn't want Brooks he woukd have been on his way to another club this year, it will prove a good move trading Hastings for klemmer
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
Maguire was struck up the backside with a side ready win a comp in 2024 GI and Burgess plus other good players.
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No coach wins a premiership without quality players and they all fail without them. It's a futile arguement. There is a good reason that season campaigners in Gould and Sheens are throwing money at quality players to lift the position of their clubs that have struggled to improve their position without them.
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
that is why they moved the other bloke on... I think if the money is right Sheens will strike a deal with Brooks for 2024 and beyond
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Unless he performs this year I can’t see why they would persist.

I rate brooks and am of the belief that the our shortcomings in the last 10 years are not his fault and that he has been stuck behind an inferior team however, my opinion is that this year we have improved our pack, Our back line is subpar but if we are competitive and scoring points then I wouldn’t have an issue with a reduced value contract extension.

again having said all of that if he stinks it up this year no way do I think he should be offered a contract.

hastings was always below brooks in ability for my mind and was the logical one to let go.
 
TCL said:
hastings was always below brooks in ability for my mind and was the logical one to let go.
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Interesting perspective. I think Hastings was much better in the middle of the park getting the forwards running onto the ball. I think Brooks was much better a little wider out. To me they are very different players.
 
TCL said:
Unless he performs this year I can’t see why they would persist.

I rate brooks and am of the belief that the our shortcomings in the last 10 years are not his fault and that he has been stuck behind an inferior team however, my opinion is that this year we have improved our pack, Our back line is subpar but if we are competitive and scoring points then I wouldn’t have an issue with a reduced value contract extension.

again having said all of that if he stinks it up this year no way do I think he should be offered a contract.

hastings was always below brooks in ability for my mind and was the logical one to let go.
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Im not going to argue who the better player is between Hastings and Brooks....I will however say that they have 2 different playing personalities...
Brooks is quiet,defends really well,has a great running game when its on and he tries his best with what he had to work with...
Hastings was yelling and pointing,organised the ordinary forwards we had,good goal kicker but average positional kicker and had a great league mind...
So we can argue who is the better player BUT in my books Hastings was a far better organiser and it showed when he was not injured in the games we won...thats the job of a halfback and thats why I think Hastings will do well at Newy...only time will tell...
 
TrueTiger said:
Im not going to argue who the better player is between Hastings and Brooks....I will however say that they have 2 different playing personalities...
Brooks is quiet,defends really well,has a great running game when its on and he tries his best with what he had to work with...
Hastings was yelling and pointing,organised the ordinary forwards we had,good goal kicker but average positional kicker and had a great league mind...
So we can argue who is the better player BUT in my books Hastings was a far better organiser and it showed when he was not injured in the games we won...thats the job of a halfback and thats why I think Hastings will do well at Newy...only time will tell...
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Hastings is gone because Sheens and Marshall did not want him. That's conclusive as to whom is the better player no matter which way you attempt to spin it.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
Hastings is gone because Sheens and Marshall did not want him. That's conclusive as to whom is the better player no matter which way you attempt to spin it.
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I expected that type of response from you Paws...I was remarking about who the better player was and I gave a fair asessment in my opinion on both without bagging either player...
You really have to lose the Sheens/Marshall glorifying,Marshall was a brilliant 5/8 made to play a 7 role,has never coached NRL as this is an experiment that could go horribly wrong,Sheens won 1 premiership in 10 years with far better players than we have had since and we were tied down by the salary cap overspend by Cleary..
So before getting on peoples post that dont seem to favour your narrative,think about the way other people whose opinion is respected by the respectfull people on here can have positive input and good discussion...
 
TrueTiger said:
I expected that type of response from you Paws...I was remarking about who the better player was and I gave a fair asessment in my opinion on both without bagging either player...
You really have to lose the Sheens/Marshall glorifying,Marshall was a brilliant 5/8 made to play a 7 role,has never coached NRL as this is an experiment that could go horribly wrong,Sheens won 1 premiership in 10 years with far better players than we have had since and we were tied down by the salary cap overspend by Cleary..
So before getting on peoples post that dont seem to favour your narrative,think about the way other people whose opinion is respected by the respectfull people on here can have positive input and good discussion...
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It is a fact Hastings is gone because Sheens and Marshall did not want him. A four time premiership winning coach and one of the greatest 5/8s to ever lace on a boot would know a bit about halves (in my humble opinion anyway). I respect their achievements.
 
Glenji95 said:
I don’t get it either. I hope his second stint is a successful one, but while he won us a premiership and got us finals bound, only making it 3 out of 10 is not good coaching.
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But you also have to remember he still made it 3 times which is 3 more than all the other coaches put together over the other 13 seasons Wests Tigers have been in existence.

Let's just wait and see what happens over the next 2 or 3 seasons before we banish Sheens and condemn him to eternal damnation.

Surely things can't get any worse than they have been for the last 10 years, I think we may actually be on the right trajectory, well here's hoping anyway.
 
Camel2281 said:
Joe O and Hastings were the only blokes I saw show anything resembling leadership and heart last year
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Yep, I wouldn’t disagree. So we got rid of one and gave the Kelly Barnes to the other. James Tamou was going ok too at times, but maybe not handling the stress too well, until the time he told the ref what we were all thinking. 😂
Looking back over the last decade we haven’t seen a great deal of on field leadership, which imo, shines a light on the club and its culture, rather than the halfback? No other half has scored more tries. No other player has won more Kelly Barnes awards.
 
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