Luke Brooks undecided on future. Admits he could leave Tigers

[Tony33]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ … y-comments
\
\
BILLIONAIRE developer Harry Triguboff wants to help Wests Tigers win a premiership — but won’t outlay $5.4m to keep Balmain Tigers alive.

The Daily Telegraph spoke with Triguboff about the possibility he would buy a half-share in Wests Tigers to keep the Balmain identity and logo alive.

Balmain borrowed the massive amount from the NRL two years ago.

The Daily Telegraph revealed the Balmain faction had two weeks to find $5.4 million or hand over the full NRL licence to joint venture partner, Western Suburbs.

Triguboff is a lifetime Balmain fan — but will only outlay money to help his club attract players to Concord.

“I spoke with them,” said Triguboff, founder and managing director of Meriton Apartments. “They wanted money to buy four good players and I told them I would help.
\
\
“I told them if I did then I wanted someone from Balmain on the board. At the moment there is no one from Balmain on the board. I told the NRL I have put more money into Wests Tigers than they ever had.

“Now might be the last chance. I don’t want my name on their shirts. I only want to help buy the players they want. If they tell me they are good players, then they are good players.

“Then we can win a comp. That is what I am interested in. They came to see me with (Aaron) Woods, he is a nice person.”

Asked how much the club was seeking, Triguboff said: “I can’t remember — $500,00, $600,000.”
\
\
Harry Triguboff will help Balmain tigers — but he won’t save them.
Triguboff reiterated though he would not find the necessary $5.4 million.

“I’m not interested,” he said. “What can I do? I have been there for many years. That has nothing to do with me. People drift apart.”

Wests Tigers have started the season in stellar form, securing big wins over New Zealand and the Sea Eagles. The Leichhardt Oval crowd was in raptures on Monday night during the big win over rivals Manly.

“The boys are playing well, thank God,” Triguboff said. “They are very talented. I think the general manager (Justin Pascoe) is quite a good fellow. He is OK, I am very pleased.”
\
\
\
\
\
Interesting. Confirmation that Harry T is willing to help the club retain and buy players through TPA's. However, someone needs to make sure he doesn't keep talking to the media and showing a link between club and 'third-party' otherwise he could be proving our breach of TPA rules.

 

[diedpretty]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ … y-comments
\
\
BILLIONAIRE developer Harry Triguboff wants to help Wests Tigers win a premiership — but won’t outlay $5.4m to keep Balmain Tigers alive.

The Daily Telegraph spoke with Triguboff about the possibility he would buy a half-share in Wests Tigers to keep the Balmain identity and logo alive.

Balmain borrowed the massive amount from the NRL two years ago.

The Daily Telegraph revealed the Balmain faction had two weeks to find $5.4 million or hand over the full NRL licence to joint venture partner, Western Suburbs.

Triguboff is a lifetime Balmain fan — but will only outlay money to help his club attract players to Concord.

“I spoke with them,” said Triguboff, founder and managing director of Meriton Apartments. “They wanted money to buy four good players and I told them I would help.
\
\
“I told them if I did then I wanted someone from Balmain on the board. At the moment there is no one from Balmain on the board. I told the NRL I have put more money into Wests Tigers than they ever had.

“Now might be the last chance. I don’t want my name on their shirts. I only want to help buy the players they want. If they tell me they are good players, then they are good players.

“Then we can win a comp. That is what I am interested in. They came to see me with (Aaron) Woods, he is a nice person.”

Asked how much the club was seeking, Triguboff said: “I can’t remember — $500,00, $600,000.”
\
\
Harry Triguboff will help Balmain tigers — but he won’t save them.
Triguboff reiterated though he would not find the necessary $5.4 million.

“I’m not interested,” he said. “What can I do? I have been there for many years. That has nothing to do with me. People drift apart.”

Wests Tigers have started the season in stellar form, securing big wins over New Zealand and the Sea Eagles. The Leichhardt Oval crowd was in raptures on Monday night during the big win over rivals Manly.

“The boys are playing well, thank God,” Triguboff said. “They are very talented. I think the general manager (Justin Pascoe) is quite a good fellow. He is OK, I am very pleased.”
\
\
\
\
\
Interesting. Confirmation that Harry T is willing to help the club retain and buy players through TPA's. However, someone needs to make sure he doesn't keep talking to the media and showing a link between club and 'third-party' otherwise he could be proving our breach of TPA rules.

He has already put any TPAs in question by stating that the club came to see him. I suppose WT could argue that Harry arranged the meeting to find out how TPAs work? I think Harry might have been on the turps when he spoke to the media - the whole article is weird. Says he will help out if Balmain get one board member - there is no sense in that

 

[Geo]

Meriton and Triguboff no longer have any direct links with the Wests Tigers they have removed any sponsorship …If he wanted to tip in 500-600K through Meriton or personally from his ash tray money he could as a TPA's it would actually be legal...it is actually how it's spose to work...

The only sticking point as I see it is his stipulation that he wants a representative from Balmain on the Board for him to do so...given their predicament that won't happen...

 

[diedpretty]

Meriton and Triguboff no longer have any direct links with the Wests Tigers they have removed any sponsorship …If he wanted to tip in 500-600K through Meriton or personally from his ash tray money he could as a TPA's it would actually be legal...it is actually how it's spose to work...

The only sticking point as I see it is his stipulation that he wants a representative from Balmain on the Board for him to do so...given their predicament that won't happen...

That's correct - but technically the club aren't supposed to make the approach and ask for an amount of money. I say technically because obviously all clubs are doing it this way. Umm except Parramatta who just try to launder it through a club slush fund. :laughing: :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

Set of Six: Let's hope money doesn't break up Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses and James Tedesco
Date
March 15, 2016 - 10:01PM
Phil Gould

Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses and James Tedesco again showed their brilliance against the Manly Sea Eagles on Monday night. The skill, speed and flair of these young players is a joy to watch and the combination they are forming is a dangerous one indeed.

How sad it will be for Tigers fans and for the game in general if this talented trio should ever be broken up because of salary cap and/or opportunity. I would also hope that these three lads understand that while money is important to a professional footballer, it is not the be all and end all of life.

By remaining together for the rest of their careers at the club that gave them their first opportunity, these youngsters could achieve something really special. If that means earning a few dollars less each year to ensure they have other quality players around them, then it's a small sacrifice to make.

If they are successful, the money will come in other ways. Changing clubs just to go to the highest bidder is not all it's cracked up to be.

Sure, it's up to Tigers management to understand the importance of these three boys as a combination and find the necessary funds to keep them together. But someone also has to explain to the boys the value of sticking together over time.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/set-of-six-lets-hope-money-doesnt-break-up-luke-brooks-mitchell-moses-and-james-tedesco-20160315-gnjvvs.html
\
\
Hardly the words of a man trying to sign one of these boys up. So I guess that can put to bed the rumours of Moses going to Penrith or anywhere else for that case, considering the rumours are all coming from the same source who obviously has no idea.

On the article itself, it's nice to have on one of the greatest minds in rugby league commenting on these three and providing such a positive outlook for the boys and club. Really makes me proud knowing that the next generation of superstars or 'big three' could indeed be playing in our colours week-in-week-out and possibly even playing for my state and country in the near future.

Before it was just us talking them up now it's the whole rugby league world, which makes it so real and exciting. I pray that the hype doesn't get to these boys and that all three can keep their feet grounded and heads to the task because if they stay healthy and together they could be anything !

If they all re-sign with the club, the next 4-5 years could be a very exciting time to be a Wests Tigers supporter. All those years of pain and suffering could be a long, distant memory 😛ray:

I like Gus but in the same sentence I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him either

Pissing in their pockets …..

 

[innsaneink]

As i have said previously and will say it again :brick: as per my sig " Brooks is not going anywhere "

Why isn't he going anywhere?
Because you repeat something endlessly?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

As i have said previously and will say it again :brick: as per my sig " Brooks is not going anywhere "

Why isn't he going anywhere?
Because you repeat something endlessly?

That's bound to work…......isn't it?????

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Meriton and Triguboff no longer have any direct links with the Wests Tigers they have removed any sponsorship …If he wanted to tip in 500-600K through Meriton or personally from his ash tray money he could as a TPA's it would actually be legal...it is actually how it's spose to work...

The only sticking point as I see it is his stipulation that he wants a representative from Balmain on the Board for him to do so...given their predicament that won't happen...

Wouldn't giving him a board spot, be exactly the same as Parra giving Corporate Seats at home games in return for TPAs?
its an inducement,
I don't know enough about the restrictions on TPAs. But it seems shakey to me.
With our luck, we could end up on the front pages for the wrong reasons.

 

[foreveratiger]

As i have said previously and will say it again :brick: as per my sig " Brooks is not going anywhere "

Why isn't he going anywhere?
Because you repeat something endlessly?

Ok, fair enough…..point taken.

 

[Geo]

Meriton and Triguboff no longer have any direct links with the Wests Tigers they have removed any sponsorship …If he wanted to tip in 500-600K through Meriton or personally from his ash tray money he could as a TPA's it would actually be legal...it is actually how it's spose to work...

The only sticking point as I see it is his stipulation that he wants a representative from Balmain on the Board for him to do so...given their predicament that won't happen...

Wouldn't giving him a board spot, be exactly the same as Parra giving Corporate Seats at home games in return for TPAs?
its an inducement,
I don't know enough about the restrictions on TPAs. But it seems shakey to me.
With our luck, we could end up on the front pages for the wrong reasons.

He isn't asking for a Board seat for himself to provide a TPA…his random request is a Balmain representative on the Board to do so..

Diedpretty...Tell that to Unca Nick and the Roosters along with the Broncos through the Thoroughbreds ... Clubs can and do source unaffiliated TPA's for players...what they can't do is guarantee payment of the TPA as then it would fall under the salary Cap...Think Gasnier Ch9 and the Dragons a few years back and who could forget Bwaith..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Meriton and Triguboff no longer have any direct links with the Wests Tigers they have removed any sponsorship …If he wanted to tip in 500-600K through Meriton or personally from his ash tray money he could as a TPA's it would actually be legal...it is actually how it's spose to work...

The only sticking point as I see it is his stipulation that he wants a representative from Balmain on the Board for him to do so...given their predicament that won't happen...

Wouldn't giving him a board spot, be exactly the same as Parra giving Corporate Seats at home games in return for TPAs?
its an inducement,
I don't know enough about the restrictions on TPAs. But it seems shakey to me.
With our luck, we could end up on the front pages for the wrong reasons.

He isn't asking for a Board seat for himself to provide a TPA…his random request is a Balmain representative on the Board to do so..

Diedpretty...Tell that to Unca Nick and the Roosters along with the Broncos through the Thoroughbreds ... Clubs can and do source unaffiliated TPA's for players...what they can't do is guarantee payment of the TPA as then it would fall under the salary Cap...Think Gasnier Ch9 and the Dragons a few years back and who could forget Bwaith..

Geo, I didn't make it really clear. What I meant that if he wanted a board spot for anyone( himself ot a Balmain representative)wouldn't that be an inducement .
If the TPA was dependant on WTs giving any person coming on the board, I'd think it was pretty murky to say the least.

 

[doublesonthemain]

I apologise for my ignorance but what do those who offer TPA's to players get out of it? I mean can companies offer TPAs and then have the player endorse their products? Seems to me that a guy like Teddy would be perfect for that given his profile is on the rise.

 

[jirskyr]

I apologise for my ignorance but what do those who offer TPA's to players get out of it? I mean can companies offer TPAs and then have the player endorse their products? Seems to me that a guy like Teddy would be perfect for that given his profile is on the rise.

Last updated 03/Nov/15

https://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.
>
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).
>
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.
>
Unlimited - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved.
\

What about money paid from other people or companies?
If a player is receiving money from any person as a way of inducing him to play for the club, then that money will be included in the Salary Cap.
>
Income that a player earns from parties not related to his club is generally not included in the Salary Cap, however, the details of the agreement must be advised to the club by the player.
>
The club must then get approval for the agreement from the Salary Cap Auditor in order for the remuneration to be excluded.
>
In 2006, the NRL also introduced an allowance for players who enter into Third Party Agreements with club sponsors, referred to as Marquee Player Agreements. In 2014, the Top 25 players are allowed to earn up to a maximum $600,000 in Marquee Player Agreements but the total payments under these agreements must not exceed $600,000 per club, otherwise any excess amounts are included in the salary cap.
>
Players are also able to enter into agreements with game sponsors, referred to as Sponsor Leveraging Agreements. There is no maximum amount and they are excluded from the salary cap.
\

Third Party Agreements
Third party agreements are payments made by companies directly to players. There is no restriction on the amount a player can earn through third party agreements where he is being paid for his own intellectual property, without the need to employ club logos or names and where the company involved is neither a club sponsor nor are they acting on behalf of a club to secure the player's services. An example of this is a player promoting a brand or product, for example, Billy Slater and Australian Bananas.
>
Many players have third party agreements that are outside the salary cap. Individual players registered third party agreements totaling in excess of $15 million in 2015.
>
All third party agreements must be registered and approved beforehand. This is to ensure that they do not become a way for clubs or players to use sponsors or third parties to undermine the salary cap and also for the game to ensure the protection of club and game intellectual property. There are provisions for club sponsors to enter into agreements with elite players under the Marquee Player Agreement allowance.

So marquee allowance is straight-forward. The real grey area becomes TPAs from non-sponsor benefactors, or interest to sponsor specific players in return for advertising.

For example Anthony Milford would be a good spokesperson for your company in Brisbane, but not so much in Canberra. So you could argue that I'll sponsor Milford only so long as he plays in Brisbane. Harder to make that argument in Sydney, but you could probably say the same, "that I am trying to reach Bulldogs supporters" or "it boosts his profile in Western Sydney where I operate" or some such.

Or clubs with wealthy supporters who don't need the sponsorship kick-back, just happy to see their club do well. I don't know how these are not always included in the salary cap, because as the NRL states, monetary inducements to play for a particular club are included in the SC. So is Harry T paying players to play for Tigers - most certainly. This might mean he is paying Marquee payments and not TPA.

 

[Nors05]

Based on the above, HT should stop talking to the media about TPAs immediately. You could argue that the article was taken out of context, and that they were having a general conversation about how the club wanted to buy four players and HT was talking about wanting to give players money to raise his Meriton profile in Western Sydney area.

But seriously, he came very close to saying something that could harm the whole arrangement

 

[Demps]

Josh Reynolds broke ranks to deliver a message to Des Hasler after the Bulldogs No.6 teamed up with Moses Mbye to destroy the Rabbitohs by declaring; “We don’t need Luke Brooks’’.

Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph after combining with Mbye to deliver the most complete playmaking performance this season, Reynolds urged his club to lock down his off-contract partner before telling Brooks he was not wanted at Belmore.

The Bulldogs have been secretly manoeuvring to steal Brooks away from the Wests Tigers in a move that could see Mbye knock back a four-year, $2.5m deal to stay with the club.

Read more at http://www.zerotackle.com/bulldogs-dont-need-luke-brooks-21211/#yXhr9hIAGo6rshTg.99

 

[innsaneink]

Yes I see lots of direct quotes there…

Read more?
There is no more... Just more DT crap

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah I don't see the Dogs losing Mbye to land Luke Brooks.

 

[boonboon]

If I had to choose between Brooks and Mbye I would take Mbye, Dogs can take Brooks if we can get MBye in return which we would be a good chance of doing as not that many clubs would have the money and the need for a half

 

[supercoach]

Maybe Reynolds is having a whinge because he can see the seven being Brooks and the six being Mbye and himself on the outer

 

[Furious1]

Maybe Reynolds is having a whinge because he can see the seven being Brooks and the six being Mbye and himself on the outer

That sounds about right. Reynolds can play lock and do the same job he does now. He's certainly not one of the more " dangerous " halves around