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Apologies to you Moh
I misunderstood your post and went back in to delete my reply, and somehow instead of deleting it , it multiplied my reply instead of deleting it
Once again I apologise for my unnecessary reply,

Haha no worries.

Understand what you're saying though; but I'm not the type to be precious about these things. I a Brooks fan and want to keep him, he wants to play finals footy and we want them playing finals footy.

But a comment like that in public just looks bad - and I understand this is just how kids are these days. It can be taken in a way that he has no faith in his club.

I didn't highlight this for another Brooks bashing thread.
 
I hope we have Brooks under a new contract as soon as possible.He has earned a decent upgrade and extension as far as i am concerned.He was one of our better players this year.
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

No this thread is going like every internet forum thread. Gets to the point where there are two opposing trains of thought and people start to define contributors as "my side" who are sensible, intelligent and know what they are talking about…and the "them" who are stupid and ignorant or dont really understand the subject.

Its pretty predictable, boring and sad really
 
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Unless he has visions of being a Tiger for life, we will struggle to keep him. Why would anyone wanting to play finals semi regularly stay? A bit negative I know but the truth sadly

Doesn't want to leave and wont with a reasonable offer…

I hope that’s correct. I think he’s a great half. However, unless we start playing September football we will never attract top tier players.
 
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James Tedesco just posted on Instagram with a caption: "Finals footy, how good".

To which Brooks replied: "Finals footy? What's that?"

He's not wrong, but poor form.

Well he is not playing finals because of HIS non skill as a 1/2 back … the sooner he gets off the bus the better IMO. This is a poor comment from someone that has very little skill set .

Is it just a coincidence that when our forwards get owned Brooks is a dud, but occasionally when our forwards do dominate the opposing pack Brooks is the greatest.
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

Let's see where he finishes in the Dally M halfback places - still a good chance for Dally M halfback of the year, though I expect he got mowed down in the overall tally in the back rounds.

Point being - if you are one of the top few halfbacks in the Dally M you must be doing something right on most weekends, considering there are at least 16 halfbacks running around each week.
 
No word on Nathen coming to Tigers BUt there is no word on us extending Luke , if the tigers were given a tip by Nathan's Father , our Coach that Nathan is not coming I would think we extend Brooks already , if he is not Extended by Mid October , we could be getting a new addition in Nathan , but That Said my Nabour who is a every Game Panther supporter and Member is convinced Nathan will remain at Penrith and also he is adamant Ivan will join them around Christmas , time will tell
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

Let's see where he finishes in the Dally M halfback places - still a good chance for Dally M halfback of the year, though I expect he got mowed down in the overall tally in the back rounds.

Point being - if you are one of the top few halfbacks in the Dally M you must be doing something right on most weekends, considering there are at least 16 halfbacks running around each week.

Short story:
After round 2/3 I questioned whether Eisenhuth was any good or just made to look good due to wins.
I got slammed on here and my loyalty questioned.
Many of those same people still hold that Eisenhuth is quality.
That's called choice-supportive bias or confirmation bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

IMO that is a microcosm of the Brooks argument. Only the Brooks discussion is now years old, more emotional. It means that supporters cannot (will not) go back on their views - they are entrenched in them (there's probably some other cognitive bias term for this but enough of that intellectual mumbo). The constant reference to Dally M votes is the best illustration of this, and anyway, IMO that argument has about as much weight as the Dally M themselves. Ruan Sims anyone?
 
We are so crap at recruitment that a lot of the faith in Brooks I think is based on willing him to get to where he needs to be because if he doesnt, and or even if he leaves, what then? Who can we attract?
Watching Teddy this year at the Roosters and to some point Woods at Cronulla both playing great footy is tough. The best of our juniors both who wanted out and not so easy to replace - regardless of those wishing it to be otherwise.
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

Let's see where he finishes in the Dally M halfback places - still a good chance for Dally M halfback of the year, though I expect he got mowed down in the overall tally in the back rounds.

Point being - if you are one of the top few halfbacks in the Dally M you must be doing something right on most weekends, considering there are at least 16 halfbacks running around each week.

Short story:
After round 2/3 I questioned whether Eisenhuth was any good or just made to look good due to wins.
I got slammed on here and my loyalty questioned.
Many of those same people still hold that Eisenhuth is quality.
That's called choice-supportive bias or confirmation bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

IMO that is a microcosm of the Brooks argument. Only the Brooks discussion is now years old, more emotional. It means that supporters cannot (will not) go back on their views - they are entrenched in them (there's probably some other cognitive bias term for this but enough of that intellectual mumbo). The constant reference to Dally M votes is the best illustration of this, and anyway, IMO that argument has about as much weight as the Dally M themselves. Ruan Sims anyone?

I regularly get called a Brooks hater, I don't hate Brooks, but if I was incharge, Brooks would have been let go quite a while back.
He is over 100 games in to his career now, and is showing good signs, we have invested over 5 years waiting for this, so we really have to keep him now.
But even now, he is not the game manager we had hoped for 3 years ago, and he is showing no signs of becoming one.
We need to get a game manager and let Brooks just play eyes up and concentrate on his running game.
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

Let's see where he finishes in the Dally M halfback places - still a good chance for Dally M halfback of the year, though I expect he got mowed down in the overall tally in the back rounds.

Point being - if you are one of the top few halfbacks in the Dally M you must be doing something right on most weekends, considering there are at least 16 halfbacks running around each week.

Short story:
After round 2/3 I questioned whether Eisenhuth was any good or just made to look good due to wins.
I got slammed on here and my loyalty questioned.
Many of those same people still hold that Eisenhuth is quality.
That's called choice-supportive bias or confirmation bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

IMO that is a microcosm of the Brooks argument. Only the Brooks discussion is now years old, more emotional. It means that supporters cannot (will not) go back on their views - they are entrenched in them (there's probably some other cognitive bias term for this but enough of that intellectual mumbo). The constant reference to Dally M votes is the best illustration of this, and anyway, IMO that argument has about as much weight as the Dally M themselves. Ruan Sims anyone?

Funnily enough, I would posit that general opinions on Luke Brooks 2018 are about as far from confirmation bias as is possible in rugby league.

Prior to 2018 I thought the bloke couldn't tackle and played about 5 good games a season. It is my impression that this was the majority view of forummers prior to 2018.

2018 he changed the way he plays - far far more run metres and forced dropouts, less bad tackles. I have been compelled to adjust my opinion on Brooks by his own form. Many people have done a similar thing with Chris Lawrence recently.

I currently believe Brooks is an average halfback for overall talent (i.e. better than about half the other halfbacks), but that 2018 has been his best year and it just so happens that in 2018, generally speaking, the halfbacks of the comp are not stringing together consistent dominant performances. NRL.com posted an interesting article about the same idea this morning:
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/09/03/million-dollar-question-looms-for-halfbacks-this-nrl-2018-finals-series/

The fact that Brooks is polling well in the Dally Ms - despite whatever you might say about the judging, and I'd hope it's more legitimate since the NRL took over (Ruan Sims incident notwithstanding) - the fact is that judges who are not Tigers fans have rated Brooks as having consistently good performances in 2018\. This is likely not confirmation bias, because the Dally Ms are generally judged by persons who don't have a vested interest in which footballer polls well. Tigers fans are certainly biased when it comes to Tigers players, and Brooks certainly gets better reviews in this forum than he would in the NRL at large. But non-Tigers folks are collectively saying he's had a relatively good year.

And then the argument is fair - if this is one of Brooks' best years, under a new-ish coach, can he take another step forward and be a better footballer again?
 
Thanks for the considered reply.
I think with respect, he is better than perhaps 3 or 4 other halfbacks. But their potential is arguably greater. Don’t forget Brooks has been around for 5 years and his potential should have been realised by now.
Also, re bias, I meant that the Dally M count only reinforces our fans’ confirmation bias. The fact that independent judges have rated him well is a credit to him and I don’t begrudge him that.
He has definitely had his best year; his running and tackling have improved dramatically.
I just don’t think he is a 7 that can take us to the grand final. His kicking and game management are still terrible and I totally agree with what 851 said above re time to cut our losses at halfback.
 
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This thread is going to go like every other Brooks topic.
Some love him cos they think he is loyal and consider one good game a month acceptable.
Other fans who want to be consistent and win more will call for his head.
I’ve already poked the Brooks loving bears.

Let's see where he finishes in the Dally M halfback places - still a good chance for Dally M halfback of the year, though I expect he got mowed down in the overall tally in the back rounds.

Point being - if you are one of the top few halfbacks in the Dally M you must be doing something right on most weekends, considering there are at least 16 halfbacks running around each week.

Short story:
After round 2/3 I questioned whether Eisenhuth was any good or just made to look good due to wins.
I got slammed on here and my loyalty questioned.
Many of those same people still hold that Eisenhuth is quality.
That's called choice-supportive bias or confirmation bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

IMO that is a microcosm of the Brooks argument. Only the Brooks discussion is now years old, more emotional. It means that supporters cannot (will not) go back on their views - they are entrenched in them (there's probably some other cognitive bias term for this but enough of that intellectual mumbo). The constant reference to Dally M votes is the best illustration of this, and anyway, IMO that argument has about as much weight as the Dally M themselves. Ruan Sims anyone?

Funnily enough, I would posit that general opinions on Luke Brooks 2018 are about as far from confirmation bias as is possible in rugby league.

Prior to 2018 I thought the bloke couldn't tackle and played about 5 good games a season. It is my impression that this was the majority view of forummers prior to 2018.

2018 he changed the way he plays - far far more run metres and forced dropouts, less bad tackles. I have been compelled to adjust my opinion on Brooks by his own form. Many people have done a similar thing with Chris Lawrence recently.

I currently believe Brooks is an average halfback for overall talent (i.e. better than about half the other halfbacks), but that 2018 has been his best year and it just so happens that in 2018, generally speaking, the halfbacks of the comp are not stringing together consistent dominant performances. NRL.com posted an interesting article about the same idea this morning:
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/09/03/million-dollar-question-looms-for-halfbacks-this-nrl-2018-finals-series/

The fact that Brooks is polling well in the Dally Ms - despite whatever you might say about the judging, and I'd hope it's more legitimate since the NRL took over (Ruan Sims incident notwithstanding) - the fact is that judges who are not Tigers fans have rated Brooks as having consistently good performances in 2018\. This is likely not confirmation bias, because the Dally Ms are generally judged by persons who don't have a vested interest in which footballer polls well. Tigers fans are certainly biased when it comes to Tigers players, and Brooks certainly gets better reviews in this forum than he would in the NRL at large. But non-Tigers folks are collectively saying he's had a relatively good year.

And then the argument is fair - if this is one of Brooks' best years, under a new-ish coach, can he take another step forward and be a better footballer again?

Jirskyr is on the money hes average, he has had his best year, probably one if not our best throughout the season.
He also has shown his strength is running the ball he should be a running five-eight not this game organiser.
 
I thought he had to go soon last season but that on his current contract he could come good. This season his defence has improved out of sight and his offence has improved a lot as well.

Maybe he is a good game manager and maybe he isn't but based on this years form he needs better options across the park. If we get better players around him and give him more opportunities than we might find out if he can come up with the big plays that are required to be called a quality game manager.
 
Until we get a legit forward pack that can constantly go forward not plod no halfback no matter how good is and will look other than second rate.
 
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