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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

But but Doueihi and Laurie both punted kicks way dead too, also killed momentum, where’s there bashing threads?

Yeah they did, Brooks couldn't even find the gap. Laurie was the best player on the field by a long way.

Agree, Laurie and AD are streets ahead of our other players at the moment. I just think LB is copping plenty on here for his poor options/attack when it’s really our poor defence costing us dearly. And it’s on the other side of the field. Look I’m at a point where I hope they pick Madden next week as it might actually prove my point.

It 100% is our poor defence costing us, but it is a bigger issue, it is lack of intent all over the park. We need to run harder and hit harder, do things at quicker speed.

The 1st set after half time is how we need to play, run the ball hard attack with speed, that is how you win in the modern game.

But yes having people that could even mark up properly in defence would go a long way as well.

Agreed but hard to do the above when 2-3 players are intrinsically motivated and the rest of the team would need to be spurred along with a cattle prod just to get out of bed.
 
@cochise said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357536) said:
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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.
 
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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

But but Doueihi and Laurie both punted kicks way dead too, also killed momentum, where’s there bashing threads?

This is a good point but they offer more than Brooks. Brooks mistakes are getting less and defensively he is pretty good.

He still isn't doing enough with the ball though.
 
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He's got zero confidence and is a liability out there.

Madden is probably not the answer right now, but he's got potential to one day be it. No point watching Brooks make the same mistakes over and over again.

I hope he picks madden so when we concede over 30 and lose and you all have no scapegoat

And if Madden slays it ?
Will you concede ?

I hope Madden slays it. But I’m not as confident in his abilities as many others are.


Madden would undoubtedly try but he wont fix our main problems. The 2 problems are mainly our poor attitude in defence and not adjusting quickly enough when something goes wrong.That is all a mental problem.We saw it last night because as soon as Cini dropped the high ball our composure was under 7s standard and they basically watched the opposition score 18 points quickly.We are not good enough to give starts like that.
We have mentally weak players and it shows each and every week.

Depends if madden is more of a leader on the fields to yell and bark orders for this team
 
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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.

At worst it was a lucky bounce of the ball that went Titans way. Fogarty stuck a foot out in a split second decision and the ball bounced kindly for him. I bet 9/10 times Fogarty even knocks it on or the ball actually makes it in goal

Anyway when you concede 18 points in 10 mins, there is clearly much deeper issues than a “momentum killer”from Brooks at 24-12
 
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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.

At worst it was a lucky bounce of the ball that went Titans way. Fogarty stuck a foot out in a split second decision and the ball bounced kindly for him. I bet 9/10 times Fogarty even knocks it on or the ball actually makes it in goal

Anyway when you concede 18 points in 10 mins, there is clearly much deeper issues than a “momentum killer”from Brooks at 24-12

For me the real momentum killers were the 2 bombed tries . That first one , whilst forward , was no worse than the one , that we are accusing brooks of causing , that changed momentum . Just once I’d like to say , what a bad call , glad that went our way . I think I’ve said that once in the last few years .
 
@tigerpower said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357362) said:
@2005magic said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357293) said:
Ive said my piece on Brooks before but my only observation is and I want people to be honest in their hearts in responding to this. Would Roosters / Storm / Raiders, or most any other club, have persisted with Brooks 'ón potential' for this long? Look how ruthless they are with team selections, recruitment and dismissal.

Where are they and where are we?

Flanagan was talked up as the next big thing and after one year the roosters cut him. Croft was the next Cronk, and was released once they realised. We will never play finals or win games consistently as long as Brooks is our number 7. That grubber kick on last that went straight to their player and they score 2 minutes later killed us and just typifies exactly what Brooks is about. Everyone wanted him to succeed to show the ones that left that they made the wrong decision. But he doesn’t have it. Time to move on.

Well have to agree that grubber woeful effort, plus could not even catch peachy, Game management non existent, Mybe and Nofo carved up early on and Cini reality check. Watch with little expectation or excitement, Brooks won't be half next season when Hastings arrives until then more losses.
 
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@lukic said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357497) said:
Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.

At worst it was a lucky bounce of the ball that went Titans way. Fogarty stuck a foot out in a split second decision and the ball bounced kindly for him. I bet 9/10 times Fogarty even knocks it on or the ball actually makes it in goal

Anyway when you concede 18 points in 10 mins, there is clearly much deeper issues than a “momentum killer”from Brooks at 24-12

For me the real momentum killers were the 2 bombed tries . That first one , whilst forward , was no worse than the one , that we are accusing brooks of causing , that changed momentum . **Just once I’d like to say , what a bad call , glad that went our way** . I think I’ve said that once in the last few years .

I only got a fleeting look at it at the ground, but did Tamou knock the ball into the Titans player ( when he stripped it) when we scored the second last try?
 
Bring in Billy Walters for Brooks. We need to see if a change at 7 improves our team or not. He is more experienced than Madden. Also an opportunity to see if Billy is worth holding onto next season
 
@tigerbuck63 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357689) said:
@tigerpower said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357362) said:
@2005magic said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357293) said:
Ive said my piece on Brooks before but my only observation is and I want people to be honest in their hearts in responding to this. Would Roosters / Storm / Raiders, or most any other club, have persisted with Brooks 'ón potential' for this long? Look how ruthless they are with team selections, recruitment and dismissal.

Where are they and where are we?

Flanagan was talked up as the next big thing and after one year the roosters cut him. Croft was the next Cronk, and was released once they realised. We will never play finals or win games consistently as long as Brooks is our number 7. That grubber kick on last that went straight to their player and they score 2 minutes later killed us and just typifies exactly what Brooks is about. Everyone wanted him to succeed to show the ones that left that they made the wrong decision. But he doesn’t have it. Time to move on.

Well have to agree that grubber woeful effort, plus **could not even catch peachy**, Game management non existent, Mybe and Nofo carved up early on and Cini reality check. Watch with little expectation or excitement, Brooks won't be half next season when Hastings arrives until then more losses.

Thats what i found really disappointing. He seemed to be close enough to dive and bring him down but ran along side him instead. His defence is pretty good, but to me that was indicitive of the team as a whole in that the desperation wasn't there to even try to ankle tap Peachy.
 
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@lukic said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357497) said:
Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.

At worst it was a lucky bounce of the ball that went Titans way. Fogarty stuck a foot out in a split second decision and the ball bounced kindly for him. I bet 9/10 times Fogarty even knocks it on or the ball actually makes it in goal

Anyway when you concede 18 points in 10 mins, there is clearly much deeper issues than a “momentum killer”from Brooks at 24-12

For me the real momentum killers were the 2 bombed tries . That first one , whilst forward , was no worse than the one , that we are accusing brooks of causing , that changed momentum . **Just once I’d like to say , what a bad call , glad that went our way** . I think I’ve said that once in the last few years .

I only got a fleeting look at it at the ground, but did Tamou knock the ball into the Titans player ( when he stripped it) when we scored the second last try?

Yes he did and the Titan’s players let the ref know but at that stage we were seen as a bunch of buskers that turned up and the ref was willing to throw a try in our hat.
 
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing.
It seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.
 
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357705) said:
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing and it seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.

Thanks for sharing this opinion for the 1000th time.
 
@toowoomba_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357693) said:
Bring in Billy Walters for Brooks. We need to see if a change at 7 improves our team or not. He is more experienced than Madden. Also an opportunity to see if Billy is worth holding onto next season

I’d go with that, Billy is more dynamic than Brooks and he can warm the seat for Hastings or Madden next season.
Billy won’t stay though, he’ll be at the Broncos next season.
 
@gnr4life said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357706) said:
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357705) said:
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing and it seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.

Thanks for sharing this opinion for the 1000th time.

Thanks for nothing for the millionth time.
 
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357705) said:
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing.
It seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.

So rest of the team gets a pass?
 
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357716) said:
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357705) said:
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing.
It seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.

So rest of the team gets a pass?

No they don't ... in fact a few have already, deservedly, found themselves having a run in reggies.
You seemed to miss the point... Brooks is the MOST IMPORTANT player in the team and he's a dud.
Other clubs have no problem getting rid of their halfbacks as soon as they don't perform.
In the Roosters case they got rid of Pearce because someone better was available ... yet, here we are sitting on our hands forever.
I seriously don't think Madden is ready yet, or Walters is good enough, but the axe has to fall on Brooks.
Remember what he said, in his own words, ... "IT'S MY TEAM".
 
How much reserve grade did brooks actually play before he debuted? Can't have been much and since his debut he's like never played it again. Did he even play any or did he just play 20's?

He needs to go back there for a bit.
 
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357737) said:
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357716) said:
@cktiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1357705) said:
All the runaround and blaming this guy, the coach, the ball boy… but the person in the most important and influential position in our team is Luke Brooks.
Sadly, he doesn’t cut it.
The halfback in ANY team is always the one under pressure when the team is failing.
It seems we are the only club who doesn’t do something about it - no matter how long it drags on.
First thing I would do today is get on the phone to England and offer to pay whatever transfer fee they want to get Hastings here right ASAP.
It’s now just embarrassing watching Brooks flounder and drag the team down with him…. and even more embarrassing to be a supporter.

So rest of the team gets a pass?

No they don't ... in fact a few have already, deservedly, found themselves having a run in reggies.
You seemed to miss the point... Brooks is the MOST IMPORTANT player in the team and he's a dud.
Other clubs have no problem getting rid of their halfbacks as soon as they don't perform.
In the Roosters case they got rid of Pearce because someone better was available ... yet, here we are sitting on our hands forever.
I seriously don't think Madden is ready yet, or Walters is good enough, but the axe has to fall on Brooks.
Remember what he said, in his own words, ... "IT'S MY TEAM".

I’d argue the dummy half is the most important position on the field considering they get their hands on the pill the most

Would you say Simpkin’s service is first grade standard? coincidentally we looked better when Liddle was on
 
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Man this thread is always a laugh when people try to defend Brooks by blaming the rest of the team. That and the ones that think he'd go well at Melbourne or the Roosters.

He is the worst player currently in first grade. He is the worst player to ever play 150 games. Reconsider your understanding of this sport if you think he is any way redeemable.

He offers nothing. He has no composure. Terrible kicking game. Ineffective running game. The game is just too quick for him and he's a physically average player. Rating him because he's gone from a speed hump to an ok defender as a half is like saying you like ferraris because they smell nice inside. Halves get picked for everything but their defence.

People also need to call a spade a spade and recognise that magical 2018 dally M halfback of the year was the best year of his career and a complete fluke. A year where he was still a below average halfback, but was on a team with no star players that won a considerable number of scrappy games 12-8 or so and he scored a bunch of tries from lost balls or offloads to get points clueless judges.

Everyone defended him saying he needed Benji and Farah to go so he could make the team his own. He's had 8 years to make the team his own and has done nothing, only hurt the team. Now the new line is that Doueihi needs to take charge so Brooks can play his natural game.

Brooks natural game is being a number 14 in NSW cup.

If you're a player coming to the Tigers and you know Brooks is going to be the halfback for the next few years, you know you're not going there to be a contender or win titles. You're there to collect a paycheck because a team with Brooks in first grade is never going to make the finals and if they do, it'll be 8th and they'll get slapped out in week one.

The club's failure to recognise just negatively he impacts our team is truly mind boggling. Madge's failure to drop him is due reason for sacking in itself.

Be sure to come back and tell us whose fault it was when we get belted with madden playing 7

That's not my point though. We're not a good team. We're still going to get belted on occasion by elite teams, regardless of who's in the halves. But look at Doueihi's performances compared to Brooks'. Doueihi is setting up tries, scoring them and looking likely even in a team that's performing poorly. Brooks doesn't look good. You can still be a problem even if you aren't the only problem so the fact that our team isn't good doesn't change the fact that Brooks being replaced should be one of our top, if not the top priority.

Three things that should be top priority after today
1. Left winger could not catch
2. Right edge could not tackle
3. Entire side lacked urgency

Brooks is just a scapegoat

I don’t think anyone is saying Brooks was the only reason we lost but he was poor and there needs to be accountability for poor performances. There seems to be for other player, Liddell, Joey, Musgrove and Mikaele all dropped to reserve grade at different points this year.

His attempted grubber which hit the first defender for the nth time this season and led to a length of the field try to the Titans was just a horrible piece of play.

and a momentum turner.

It was a big play. I stick up for Brooks because it's far from his fault but this is professional sport and he isn't performing to a high enough standard.

At worst it was a lucky bounce of the ball that went Titans way. Fogarty stuck a foot out in a split second decision and the ball bounced kindly for him. I bet 9/10 times Fogarty even knocks it on or the ball actually makes it in goal

Anyway when you concede 18 points in 10 mins, there is clearly much deeper issues than a “momentum killer”from Brooks at 24-12

For me the real momentum killers were the 2 bombed tries . That first one , whilst forward , was no worse than the one , that we are accusing brooks of causing , that changed momentum . **Just once I’d like to say , what a bad call , glad that went our way** . I think I’ve said that once in the last few years .

I only got a fleeting look at it at the ground, but did Tamou knock the ball into the Titans player ( when he stripped it) when we scored the second last try?

Yea , that’s true . But I mean we get stuff like that when the game is lost , not in the heat of the moment .still your right , that was a garbage call . Tamou clearly knocked it on .
 
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