Luke Brooks

[twentyforty]

Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.

Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.

Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.

I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.

At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.


I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?

Well i never liked the fact that Benji would also dictate plays and demand the ball, especially when the game was on the line and it rarely worked as team mates did not know what play he was doing.

Bulldogs game last season Brooks demanded the ball and kicked a winning field goal want to see more in 2021.

Yes, that was a glimpse of Brooks we haven’t seen for a while. And he was really pumped too.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.

Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.

Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.

I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.

At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.


I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?

Well i never liked the fact that Benji would also dictate plays and demand the ball, especially when the game was on the line and it rarely worked as team mates did not know what play he was doing.

Bulldogs game last season Brooks demanded the ball and kicked a winning field goal want to see more in 2021.

Yes, that was a glimpse of Brooks we haven’t seen for a while. And he was really pumped too.

So was Mybe if i recall, and Benji gave a congratulations but you could also see that he preferred it would have been him.

 

[JayT]

Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.

Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.

Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.

I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.

At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.


I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?

I don't think Brooks was waiting for anything. He has never had any excuses for his form, never been any, its always been fans making excuses for him.

 

[tigerbalm]

A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn't even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can't do anything right.

 

[twentyforty]

A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn't even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can't do anything right.

Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!

 

[TigerWest]

A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn't even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can't do anything right.


Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!

It’ll probably be end game for him, if it doesn’t work.

 

[twentyforty]

A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn't even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can't do anything right.


Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!

It’ll probably be end game for him, if it doesn’t work.

I honestly think that’s all he has ever needed? That and maybe a Tommy Raudonikis/ Dain Gagai style motivation to kickstart his engine ?

 

[twentyforty]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

 

[TigerWest]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.

The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.

 

[Speed2burn]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.

The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.

Madge re-signed him after 2018-2019 didn’t he...?
Arguably his two best years at the club. I’m reasonably confident he will have a break out year and he will make his doubters look silly

 

[twentyforty]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

 

[TigerWest]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

 

[TigerWest]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.

The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.

**Madge re-signed him after 2018-2019 didn’t he...?**
Arguably his two best years at the club. I’m reasonably confident he will have a break out year and he will make his doubters look silly

Maybe that’s why the club hired Hartigan?

 

[JC99]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.

The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.

**Madge re-signed him after 2018-2019 didn’t he...?**
Arguably his two best years at the club. I’m reasonably confident he will have a break out year and he will make his doubters look silly

Maybe that’s why the club hired Hartigan?

Brooks had earned the contract extension. He was playing good footy, id finally thought we wouldn’t have to worry about him anymore.... then he struggled big time again in 2020. Can’t say it was a poor re-signing though based on his form

 

[twentyforty]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

Club’s are at a slight disadvantage because players get paid on past performance not present day performances. We’re always told by the experts when buying an asset you don’t value it on potential, but that’s exactly what happens when we contract a player, which is why I don’t like the idea of long term contracts. Is it possible or plausible to hold back say $1m of cap to be distributed as bonuses to outstanding performers? Benji and Robbie were moved on because their presence wasn’t allowing Brooks to grow into his role as playmaker. Following, there were other disruptions, then both those guys came back. Then the spine was switched around, while we had some high priced players either watching from the grandstand or in rehab. Let’s not even mention Covid-19. There have been a lot of demotivating influences surrounding Brooks and the club in general. My point is, we should give him every chance to regain his momentum before writing him off, because there’s nothing surer than the joy of a lazy Sunday morning, that if he goes to a well organised, well structured club with high expectations, he will play rep footy.

 

[twentyforty]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

 

[cochise]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don't turf any of them?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

My big tip for this year is that Luke Brooks has a standout year. Why? Last year he was poor. His style of preferred play was not gelling with Maguire expectations. Also, he was again behind a dominated pack. Also, he could not break out of Benji’s shadow.
Benji is gone, our pack is hugely improved and I’m sure Maguire and Brooks will be addressing the game plan throughout the preseason.
Luke Brooks will have his best year yet in 2021

 

[twentyforty]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don't turf any of them?

Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
What’s your view mate?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don't turf any of them?


Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
What’s your view mate?

But what if the underlying problem is recruitment and retention? I think we have been abysmal in this area but are now addressing it - extremely well imo. That of course means some players will be let go.
You could argue with some validity that our recruitment problems are due to our image of being a poor club. I know this is being addressed. Our front office has its stuff together. On field performance needs to follow. Which I’m confident it will