Luke Brooks

[Tiger5150]

Luke Brooks 2021- statistical performance among halfbacks
Try Assists - 23 (4th best)
Try Contributions - 13 (4th best)
Runs - 161 (3rd best)
Run meters - 1378 (3rd Best)
Line Breaks - 5 (10th best)
Line Break Assists - 14 (6th Best)
Tackle Breaks - 45 (4th Best)
Effective Offloads - 23 (3rd Best)
Errors - 23 (5th worst but better then DCE, Hunt, Reynolds, Clifford)
Penalties - 14 (worst amongst halves)
**Possessions - 1450 (most possessions of any half in the comp)**
Line Engagements - 354 (most in comp)
General Play Passes - 846 (most in comp)
Line Drop Outs forced - 12 (7th best)
Kick Meters - 6862 (5th best)
Attacking Kicks - 127 (2nd most)
Kicks Dead -3 (12th most)
Kick Errors - 7 (equal 8th)
Try Causes - 16 (3rd worst)
LB Causes - 18 (equal 3rd worst) behind DCE, Dearden and equla with Reynolds
Tackle Effectiveness - 82% (20th worst) better then likes of Cleary, Harris Tevita, Moses,Walker, Townsend, Clifford, Hunt, Johnson

Now I'm not saying Brooks was perfect but given how week the team was around him these indicate that the problem to me isnt Brooks

Mate I think the stat I've highlighted is the most important for several reasons. A lot of Brooks' stats of being either one of the best or one of the worst in the areas recorded are partly because of his large amount of possessions. Cut them back to average and he's more than likely going to come back to the field across the other stats.

But what it shows more than anything is that despite all those possessions and chances to do so, he still can't make good things happen for us enough. Obviously he is supposed to be our play maker and game manager and we pay him accordingly but he just can't pull that off.

And this is the issue. We're paying him to do a job he's not capable of. He's a good footballer etc etc but not the answer. It seems Madge has tried a lot of things to get him to the next level even handing him captaincy but nothing has inspired him to play at his best with any consistency at all.

As a second fiddle half he'd be fine, but would need to take a pay cut of a couple hundred k. In the current climate another club would be willing to roll the dice and pay him the top dog salary. Which is fine but with our current roster we still need him, the hard truth is that he is still better than our other options.

Barra hit the nail on the head. For anyone who missed it , take the time to look at the vid Paws&claws posted. Brooks will do a fantastic job when he can just play footy. Cant run the team , never has & never will. Hastings will do a solid job running the team, take all the pressure off Brooks & Brooks will rediscover the skills he has shown in the past.Instead of the traitor/prostitute Tedesco, it will be Laurie scoring the tries for us. Its gonna happen.

Not unless we find some forwards it won't

True, i believe we are a hard running prop & maybe a 1 second rower short however we have plenty to be optimistic about with Blore, Stefano and Makalie & Sefarth. I believe letting Sam McIntyre go to the Titans was a mistake.

I have a feeling Tuki might have a break out year this year.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

 

[Spacecub]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

Who was that moron?

 

[Champ]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

 

[Tiger5150]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

Adrian Vowles, Rangi Chase.......its a third rate competition.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

No forward has won the award since James Graham in 2008. So it’s very similar to the Dally M in the fact that it’s usually spine players who win it. So I don’t read anything into the fact players like Burgess and Bateman never won it. Pat Richards, as much as I love him, kind of shows the strength of competition over there. Do you think he’d have ever come near a Dally M in his prime? Hodgo won it after he couldn’t get a contract in Australia which further speaks volumes.

 

[earl]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

Who was that moron?

Good question. I'm really hopeful it was Cleary and I think it was.

 

[earl]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has done well in the ESL plus Brooks hasn't shown us he can be a top performer. I'd bet on Hastings over Brooks at this point.

That doesn't mean anything at all until we see the team and Hastings and Brooks perform next season. Brooks might kill it. Hastings may be a dud.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has done well in the ESL plus Brooks hasn't shown us he can be a top performer. I'd bet on Hastings over Brooks at this point.

That doesn't mean anything at all until we see the team and Hastings and Brooks perform next season. Brooks might kill it. Hastings may be a dud.

Hastings hasn’t shown he can be a top performer either yet. He’s a complete unknown, and to assume he’s going to do a better job than Brooks is naive, to put it nicely.

 

[earl]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has done well in the ESL plus Brooks hasn't shown us he can be a top performer. I'd bet on Hastings over Brooks at this point.

That doesn't mean anything at all until we see the team and Hastings and Brooks perform next season. Brooks might kill it. Hastings may be a dud.

Hastings hasn’t shown he can be a top performer either yet. He’s a complete unknown, and to assume he’s going to do a better job than Brooks is naive, to put it nicely.

Forget about naive. I could be completely delusional. I'm sticking to my dreams though until I see him play. I'll also turn on Hastings quickly if he isn't up to it.

Over Christmas though I think I'll keep telling myself Hastings is the best play maker in the comp and therefore we have a good chance of regaining 9th position.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has done well in the ESL plus Brooks hasn't shown us he can be a top performer. I'd bet on Hastings over Brooks at this point.

That doesn't mean anything at all until we see the team and Hastings and Brooks perform next season. Brooks might kill it. Hastings may be a dud.

Hastings hasn’t shown he can be a top performer either yet. He’s a complete unknown, and to assume he’s going to do a better job than Brooks is naive, to put it nicely.

Forget about naive. I could be completely delusional. I'm sticking to my dreams though until I see him play. I'll also turn on Hastings quickly if he isn't up to it.

Over Christmas though I think I'll keep telling myself Hastings is the best play maker in the comp and therefore we have a good chance of regaining 9th position.

That’s just crazy that last paragraph. If he were that good, he wouldn’t be resigned to coming back to the NRL through a bottom feeder club.

 

[Champ]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

No forward has won the award since James Graham in 2008. So it’s very similar to the Dally M in the fact that it’s usually spine players who win it. So I don’t read anything into the fact players like Burgess and Bateman never won it. Pat Richards, as much as I love him, kind of shows the strength of competition over there. Do you think he’d have ever come near a Dally M in his prime? Hodgo won it after he couldn’t get a contract in Australia which further speaks volumes.

Whether you dismiss it or not the fact still remains...........great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis. The fact that great players come from SL is undeniable, doesnt matter in you believe its a tenth rate comp or whatever. Hastings may be one of those or maybe not. We will see.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

No forward has won the award since James Graham in 2008. So it’s very similar to the Dally M in the fact that it’s usually spine players who win it. So I don’t read anything into the fact players like Burgess and Bateman never won it. Pat Richards, as much as I love him, kind of shows the strength of competition over there. Do you think he’d have ever come near a Dally M in his prime? Hodgo won it after he couldn’t get a contract in Australia which further speaks volumes.

Whether you dismiss it or not the fact still remains...........great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis. The fact that great players come from SL is undeniable, doesnt matter in you believe its a tenth rate comp or whatever. Hastings may be one of those or maybe not. We will see.

Like I said in my last post, if were that good he would have attracted attention from better clubs. The players you mentioned, they might not have won the MOS award, but they were brought over here by good clubs. The Burgess bros won a comp, and the others played in a GF. Ellis played with us when we were a premiership threat. Hastings isn’t walking in to anything those players experienced.

 

[Groundup]

Zero tackle has an article of the 10 most under pressure players in 2022. Guess who's No. 1 under the most pressure. Luke Brooks. Mentions that AD is our best player by quote 'miles' and Brooks winning that POY award as 'ridiculous'

You realise zerotackle is just a bunch of opinion pieces, not fact? Just because someone wrote down their opinion of Doueihi being better by miles does not make it so. I also understand that my opinion of Brooks having played better is no more valid but it is at least supported by statistics.

As opposed to the mainstream media

 

[cktiger]

Excuses never seem to stop.
If you can’t see the bloke is a bonehead your not looking too closely.

Why the personal attack?

Lol you must have thin skin if you class that as personal? I think he sucks my opinion of course

You don’t spend a decade on this forum if you have thin skin. Bag his game all you like, but what has he done to warrant name calling?

What are you trying to say? Is your interpretation of Cktigers post saying it was personal because you have been here 10 years?? Sounds to me like you are trying to shoot down his opinion and make it something it's not to make yourself feel justified.

First off, my reference to being here 10 years was in response to you, not him. Second, he called him a bonehead, **there was nothing to interpret**. Nothing to do with **the way he plays**. He’s become so disliked by some that it’s no longer enough to **bag him out for being a poor player.** He now cops it for being an imp, an introvert and now **a bonehead.** I don’t think he’s ever done anything off the field to warrant any of that.

Well said.

Poor diddums.
Of course it's open to interpretation.
You can certainly relate it to the way he plays with a total lack of vision or sense.
If not that you can have a good listen to any of his interviews or watch him running through the banner at his 150th game.
Nothing wrong with being a bonehead per se... but plenty of people want to blame everyone around him for the way he plays.
Now we're even getting highlights of his past and people pretending he hasn't gone off like a bad egg.
I don't dislike the bloke personally, but if he's still got anything in him, he'd be best trying a new team and coach to try to reignite himself.
If not then lets hope a few new blokes around him force him to lift his game for us.

 

[batboy]

Luke Brooks 2021- statistical performance among halfbacks
Try Assists - 23 (4th best)
Try Contributions - 13 (4th best)
Runs - 161 (3rd best)
Run meters - 1378 (3rd Best)
Line Breaks - 5 (10th best)
Line Break Assists - 14 (6th Best)
Tackle Breaks - 45 (4th Best)
Effective Offloads - 23 (3rd Best)
Errors - 23 (5th worst but better then DCE, Hunt, Reynolds, Clifford)
Penalties - 14 (worst amongst halves)
**Possessions - 1450 (most possessions of any half in the comp)**
Line Engagements - 354 (most in comp)
General Play Passes - 846 (most in comp)
Line Drop Outs forced - 12 (7th best)
Kick Meters - 6862 (5th best)
Attacking Kicks - 127 (2nd most)
Kicks Dead -3 (12th most)
Kick Errors - 7 (equal 8th)
Try Causes - 16 (3rd worst)
LB Causes - 18 (equal 3rd worst) behind DCE, Dearden and equla with Reynolds
Tackle Effectiveness - 82% (20th worst) better then likes of Cleary, Harris Tevita, Moses,Walker, Townsend, Clifford, Hunt, Johnson

Now I'm not saying Brooks was perfect but given how week the team was around him these indicate that the problem to me isnt Brooks

Mate I think the stat I've highlighted is the most important for several reasons. A lot of Brooks' stats of being either one of the best or one of the worst in the areas recorded are partly because of his large amount of possessions. Cut them back to average and he's more than likely going to come back to the field across the other stats.

But what it shows more than anything is that despite all those possessions and chances to do so, he still can't make good things happen for us enough. Obviously he is supposed to be our play maker and game manager and we pay him accordingly but he just can't pull that off.

And this is the issue. We're paying him to do a job he's not capable of. He's a good footballer etc etc but not the answer. It seems Madge has tried a lot of things to get him to the next level even handing him captaincy but nothing has inspired him to play at his best with any consistency at all.

As a second fiddle half he'd be fine, but would need to take a pay cut of a couple hundred k. In the current climate another club would be willing to roll the dice and pay him the top dog salary. Which is fine but with our current roster we still need him, the hard truth is that he is still better than our other options.

Barra hit the nail on the head. For anyone who missed it , take the time to look at the vid Paws&claws posted. Brooks will do a fantastic job when he can just play footy. Cant run the team , never has & never will. Hastings will do a solid job running the team, take all the pressure off Brooks & Brooks will rediscover the skills he has shown in the past.Instead of the traitor/prostitute Tedesco, it will be Laurie scoring the tries for us. Its gonna happen.

Not unless we find some forwards it won't

True, i believe we are a hard running prop & maybe a 1 second rower short however we have plenty to be optimistic about with Blore, Stefano and Makalie & Sefarth. I believe letting Sam McIntyre go to the Titans was a mistake.

I have a feeling Tuki might have a break out year this year.

He'll need to move a whole lot more urgently...
I have a feeling if Garner is back - He'll lose his spot to Kel.

 

[Harvey]

One thing that surprised me late in the season with Brooks was that he actually has a very good spiral bomb which I think he used twice, resulting in two dropped catches from memory. Wish he used that more often as his kicking game is so predictable.

That nothing bomb he kicks over and over again with no real height on it annoys me. Hopefully Madge sees some sense and moves him on as if he doesn't get results he is gone.

Do you think that he would still be playing first grade every week if that wasn't at the direction of the coach?

Yep. It's the Tigers. We reward mediocrity and Brooks has always been a protected species

I think it is Madgeball. The new and improved version of Taylorball

 

[Camel2281]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

Reynolds wasn't a halfback though and definitely wasn't a game organiser. And Hastings may not have track record in Australia, but Brooks' track record is of 172 games of failure

 

[Champ]

Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has proven himself in SL as the top player in the comp winning the Man of Steel award.. You may refer to that as a second rate competition, but dont forget about the great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis just to name a few. Some who have won the MOS award & been successful in NRL are James Graham, our own Pat Richards, Brett Hodgeson
& Ellery Hanley, Ben Barba & Jamie Lyon. While nothing is guaranteed, Hastings is in good company.

No forward has won the award since James Graham in 2008. So it’s very similar to the Dally M in the fact that it’s usually spine players who win it. So I don’t read anything into the fact players like Burgess and Bateman never won it. Pat Richards, as much as I love him, kind of shows the strength of competition over there. Do you think he’d have ever come near a Dally M in his prime? Hodgo won it after he couldn’t get a contract in Australia which further speaks volumes.

Whether you dismiss it or not the fact still remains...........great players that came from SL that never won the MOS award such the Burgess bros, John Bateman, Josh Hodgeson , Elliot Whitehead & Gareth Ellis. The fact that great players come from SL is undeniable, doesnt matter in you believe its a tenth rate comp or whatever. Hastings may be one of those or maybe not. We will see.

Like I said in my last post, if were that good he would have attracted attention from better clubs. The players you mentioned, they might not have won the MOS award, but they were brought over here by good clubs. The Burgess bros won a comp, and the others played in a GF. Ellis played with us when we were a premiership threat. Hastings isn’t walking in to anything those players experienced.

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Opposition have nothing to worry about with that potential spine.

Hastings could be a gun. If he is we look a lot better.

Think he will be great for us, stoked we signed him.. Him and Ads are real competitor's with voices.

Reynolds had a voice. How’d that work out?

Reynolds was a poor player with poor form and we had a moron signing off on massive contracts. It was a disaster. I don't think they are comparable.

I think it is when we are talking about leaders. Having a voice doesn’t automatically mean he’s going to turn the team around. He has no track record in Australia. The only thing people are clinging to is what he’s done in a third rate competition. It means nothing in Australia.

I have no interest in the leadership idea. Tamou/Mbye sum up to me what leaders add. We need quality players. We need halves that come up with the right plays and create opportunities for us.

Hastings is unproven but I have more confidence in him than Brooks and I have a lot more confidence in Brooks over Reynolds.

The truth is we just have to wait and see how he performs.

How can you have more confidence in someone unproven?

He has done well in the ESL plus Brooks hasn't shown us he can be a top performer. I'd bet on Hastings over Brooks at this point.

That doesn't mean anything at all until we see the team and Hastings and Brooks perform next season. Brooks might kill it. Hastings may be a dud.

Hastings hasn’t shown he can be a top performer either yet. He’s a complete unknown, and to assume he’s going to do a better job than Brooks is naive, to put it nicely.

Forget about naive. I could be completely delusional. I'm sticking to my dreams though until I see him play. I'll also turn on Hastings quickly if he isn't up to it.

Over Christmas though I think I'll keep telling myself Hastings is the best play maker in the comp and therefore we have a good chance of regaining 9th position.

That’s just crazy that last paragraph. If he were that good, he wouldn’t be resigned to coming back to the NRL through a bottom feeder club.

Basing this on prior performance

Players can improve.

Without some little skerrick of hope us WTs fans have nothin