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Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????
 
Dumb and Dumb. Harry is the first player wit h the ball,and normally passed it to Benji's side.Harry was good,but a tad overated.Brooks will kill it this year.
 
@cochise said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293979) said:
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Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don't turf any of them?


Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
What’s your view mate?

My post was more tongue in cheek, no I don't think our problems are Brooks.

I see we have 2 real issues squad strength and mental toughness and these both manifest themselves in similar ways.

In relation to squad strength, to compete with the better team we need to be red lining, basically playing the edge of our ability the entire game while the better teams get sit in a comfortable space. This results in us making mistakes at crucial times do to having to maintain our best football for long stretches of time. This was evident in the games against Parra and Penrith last year, though while we were competitive you always knew we were going to be the team to break 1st as we were playing harder to be competitive.

This comes to the 2nd point, mental toughness, when we do break we don't have the toughness to overcome the setback. This is shown through our inability to win the big moments, both in a game and throughout the course of the season, it is the reason for our winning the hard games and losing the supposedly easier games.

Now I believe both of these are being addressed but they are what I believe to be the reasons for our 9 years without finals.


I agree, that those two deficiencies you elude to are the reason we have been losing games. What I don’t understand is why we have not addressed those issues during such a long period of time? This is the question which leads me to believe that the solution will not be found bubbling on the surface in the public domain. As previously stated, I’ve always believed that the strength of the entire organisation is on display on game day. Those players reflect the traditional values held by others in the club.

It is a very difficult thing to fix because the mental weakness aspect gets past from player to player. You really need the right people to come in and identify the issues and how to fix them. Now when you are turning over coaches every 2 years it is impossible to rectify.

We have the right people here now to fix it but they need to be given the time to fix it.

Isn’t that a major issue for us now, time?

What is it now, 10 years?

We need to get mentally tougher players if that is the case, which brings us back to Brooks, we have basically changed the whole team while he has been here.

I still think he will be on very thin ice if he doesn’t deliver this season.

You can't change the entire team at once.

All at once?

You probably have a better memory than me, but the only other player in the team since Brooks started would be Nofo?

I hope he delivers, but unfortunately he has had a long run and not done much from memory. He is still living on that first Dragons game.
 
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
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@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
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@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

We played our best footy then too. The more he has the ball the better we went
 
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@TigerWest said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293882) said:
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@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293873) said:
Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don't turf any of them?


Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
What’s your view mate?

My post was more tongue in cheek, no I don't think our problems are Brooks.

I see we have 2 real issues squad strength and mental toughness and these both manifest themselves in similar ways.

In relation to squad strength, to compete with the better team we need to be red lining, basically playing the edge of our ability the entire game while the better teams get sit in a comfortable space. This results in us making mistakes at crucial times do to having to maintain our best football for long stretches of time. This was evident in the games against Parra and Penrith last year, though while we were competitive you always knew we were going to be the team to break 1st as we were playing harder to be competitive.

This comes to the 2nd point, mental toughness, when we do break we don't have the toughness to overcome the setback. This is shown through our inability to win the big moments, both in a game and throughout the course of the season, it is the reason for our winning the hard games and losing the supposedly easier games.

Now I believe both of these are being addressed but they are what I believe to be the reasons for our 9 years without finals.


I agree, that those two deficiencies you elude to are the reason we have been losing games. What I don’t understand is why we have not addressed those issues during such a long period of time? This is the question which leads me to believe that the solution will not be found bubbling on the surface in the public domain. As previously stated, I’ve always believed that the strength of the entire organisation is on display on game day. Those players reflect the traditional values held by others in the club.

It is a very difficult thing to fix because the mental weakness aspect gets past from player to player. You really need the right people to come in and identify the issues and how to fix them. Now when you are turning over coaches every 2 years it is impossible to rectify.

We have the right people here now to fix it but they need to be given the time to fix it.

Isn’t that a major issue for us now, time?

What is it now, 10 years?

We need to get mentally tougher players if that is the case, which brings us back to Brooks, we have basically changed the whole team while he has been here.

I still think he will be on very thin ice if he doesn’t deliver this season.

You can't change the entire team at once.

I hope he delivers, but unfortunately he has had a long run and not done much from memory. He is still living on that first Dragons game.

He’s done plenty since that “first Dragons game.”
 
@JC99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294000) said:
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@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
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@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

We played our best footy then too. The more he has the ball the better we went


All he needs is a good 5/8 because he’s never had one. Might get that this year.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.
 
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294003) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.

But he didn't pack in at lock either...silly argument Russ
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294004) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294003) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.

But he didn't pack in at lock either...silly argument Russ

Maybe there were no scrums.
 
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294007) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294004) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294003) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.

But he didn't pack in at lock either...silly argument Russ

Maybe there were no scrums.

Well the fullback or hooker usually pack at lock in attacking scrums ...that was my point ...the 80's were a long time ago
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294008) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294007) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294004) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294003) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.

But he didn't pack in at lock either...silly argument Russ

Maybe there were no scrums.

Well the fullback or hooker usually pack at lock in attacking scrums ...that was my point ...the 80's were a long time ago

Right so the FB and Hooker were not locks, the first receiver wasn't a half or 5/8 .....

You pick the team now by just throwing random jumpers at players as they run out.

Great idea Lol.
 
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294010) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294008) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294007) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294004) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294003) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293999) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293988) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
@Russell said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293971) said:
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

That doesn't count as half in my book.

But he didn't pack in at lock either...silly argument Russ

Maybe there were no scrums.

Well the fullback or hooker usually pack at lock in attacking scrums ...that was my point ...the 80's were a long time ago

Right so the FB and Hooker were not locks, the first receiver wasn't a half or 5/8 .....

You pick the team now by just throwing random jumpers at players as they run out.

Great idea Lol.

Well it was an obvious ploy Russ ....Liddle came on and Grant went to first receiver


So when Fittler wore the 13 jersey he couldn't play at 1st receiver ???
 
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

i thought Harry was very good ,aggresive quick and tough.He was a DH and obviously played towards Benji.That style is very similar to cheese and Cordner,,.but also has a very limited life expectancy on the field.At the end of last year he was carrying injuries,and with the young bull mentality he will get more.The smart footballers pace themselves,this is a tough game.The role of a half is completely different.
 
@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

Comparing a forward to a half? You have no idea!
 
When Madge came in I was hoping he could get Brooksy to the next level and become a premier half in the comp like Adam Reynolds. My faith has ebbed and flowed along with the seasons as a Wests supporter, but with some new weapons to play with, I'm back in an optimistic place that Brooksy can regain his form and hopefully realise the potential that we've all held for him at one time or another.
 
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Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

So you don’t put any onus on the player?

It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

Don’t think so.


I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.


I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

So true ,and what half out there can the Tigers buy?Because every half outside of the top 4 gets bagged.It's always the half never the team.
 
Brooks challenge for Dally M player of the year and get half-back of the year again. With our forward pack he will have a great season
 
@Magpieger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1294043) said:
When Madge came in I was hoping he could get Brooksy to the next level and become a premier half in the comp like Adam Reynolds. My faith has ebbed and flowed along with the seasons as a Wests supporter, but with some new weapons to play with, I'm back in an optimistic place that Brooksy can regain his form and hopefully realise the potential that we've all held for him at one time or another.


It’s only another 8 weeks!
Bring it on!!!
 
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@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293974) said:
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@Snake said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1293951) said:
@sleeve said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1289669) said:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.

I disagree so if the forwards were that bad last season .. why was Grant such a sensation ? You either have the the goods or not that is as simple as it gets . Yes a stronger pack makes a 7’s job easier but a 7 that has the goods will always stand out ! This rubbish about the forward pack is just falsely



Grant played with the same so called dud forwards that Brooks played with. Grant looked like a champ .. Brooks well you either have it or you don’t!
The champs stand out whether there playing with champs or chumps that’s always been the way .

They played with the same dud forwards - yes.

But Grant wasn't playing half.

He did when Liddle came off the bench ......

I thought he played lock ?????

Well he did ...but he was playing in the 1st receiver role

We played our best footy then too. The more he has the ball the better we went


All he needs is a good 5/8 because he’s never had one. Might get that this year.

1st he needed a bigger stronger forward pack
He has that now
2nd he needed a stronger centre / winger combination who could stop leaking points and score more points
Jury is out on that
3rd he needs a decent Hooker/Dummy half who can get him the ball quick
That should be ok this year ?
4th he needs a decent fullback who can chime in and give more options or create panick in the oppositions defence which may give Brooks more time to create some magic of his own
5th he needs some speed men around him
Hopefully Jet helps with that
Now he needs a decent 5/8

At some stage Brooks needs to stand up and take the game by the scruff of the neck and lead our team by Example
Take the ball to the line and take the defence on more often
And get his kicking game in order
We all know he can do it because he has done it before
He just needs to do it consistently
LAST CHANCE
He has the big forwards he needs, the speed he has needed and other options to go to
He doesn't need to do it all himself
He just needs to pick the right play at the right moment
I hope he finally has a stand out year
He is becoming one of the most experienced halfbacks in the NRL
Now he needs to show it
 
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