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I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do


His work rate is quite high eg avg 20 tackles, while say Tamou avg is 22.

Yeah, and he tackles a lot harder than some of the forwards as well, coach does not have to hide him. Not to mention that he is also faster than most in the team.
 
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More matches without a finals appearance than any player in history. Says it all really


That is far more likely on the club not the player.Brooks is not an ideal 7 but our failures are a combined CLUB/PLAYER failure not just him.

I never said they were solely on him. But he is an endemic part of the problem and the club persisting with him no matter how poorly he's performing sets a standard in the organisation that poor performance has no consequences. Instead he gets extension on contracts and is made the club's top earner. Moving Brooks on is a statement from the club saying that they want things to change. They want a different culture and they are going in a different direction.


Here is something to think about!

**Would you prefer Brooks or Adam Reynolds in your team**

Brooks and Adam Reynolds 2021 stats

Brooks Age 26 Reynolds Age 31
Brooks 2021 24 games Reynolds 25 games
Brooks Avg run 97m Reynolds 67m
Brooks Tackle efficiency 85.7 Reynolds 89.3
Brooks Line drop outs forced 13 Reynolds 9
Brooks Try assists 16 Reynolds 7
Brooks Line Breaks 10 Reynolds 10
Brooks Off Loads 25 Reynolds 9
Brooks Tackles made 456 Reynolds 359

Brooks Total all games 163 Reynolds 231
Brooks Total all tries 40 Reynolds 38

These are all NRL stats

In summary

Brooks gets more than double try assists
Forces more line drop outs
Runs more meters
Makes more tackles
And has more than 3 times more offloads

Ok he is not a leader but looking at the stats he is far better than Adam Reynolds
Not as good as Cleary, Hughes of DCE - but our team is no where as strong as theirs
BTW I am not Brooks "Fan Boy" but I do look at the stats in a non objective way

Context is king, without it stats are meaningless. I’d have Reynolds over Brooks every time. Reynolds knows how to win a game.

I’ll take Brooks over Reynolds.
The difference in the two halves is in the team’s they have. Not necessarily because of their quality, although it does have an effect, but because of stability and the bond of commonality. Before the whistle you need to look your teammates in the eye, the same as you do after full time.
Our boys change every week. Every week there’s a new kid to come and learn on your time.
Let’s see hoe Reynolds goes in 22 shall we?

Brooks problem isn’t skill, he just has no killer instinct, and thats got nothing to do with his teammates. Do you think Brooks makes that 2 point field goal Reynolds kicked against us? Not in a million years.

All good halfbacks can step up when it’s needed. Brooks doesn’t have that attribute.

Like I said in my last post though, he is not alone. There are at least 6 other halfbacks who couldn’t do what Reynolds does either. That isn’t a failing on Brooks. It just shows how good Reynolds is. FYI, I don’t think he will change the Broncos that dramatically. They still look pretty weak across the park. Outside or him, their spine sucks. So he’s going to be put to the test.

Against South's last year , do you think Reynolds could of done what brooks did, pick up the loose ball and run 100 metres to score a try, to win a game, and is still its debatable whether Burgess did get that ball down. Its not the first time Brooks has done something like this.

He would have been better off taking the tackle. It was ruled no try on field, was only called back for review because he scored.

That was the game against Warriors , but like i said he done this many times, its something that Reynolds would be incapable of.

Why would Reynolds be incapable of running the length when no one is chasing?


And kicking for repeat sets, kicking 40 20’s, 2 point field goals, setting up attacking raids, putting players through gaps, captaining a side to victory in finals series…these are things Brooks is incapable of.
 
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More matches without a finals appearance than any player in history. Says it all really


That is far more likely on the club not the player.Brooks is not an ideal 7 but our failures are a combined CLUB/PLAYER failure not just him.

I never said they were solely on him. But he is an endemic part of the problem and the club persisting with him no matter how poorly he's performing sets a standard in the organisation that poor performance has no consequences. Instead he gets extension on contracts and is made the club's top earner. Moving Brooks on is a statement from the club saying that they want things to change. They want a different culture and they are going in a different direction.


Here is something to think about!

**Would you prefer Brooks or Adam Reynolds in your team**

Brooks and Adam Reynolds 2021 stats

Brooks Age 26 Reynolds Age 31
Brooks 2021 24 games Reynolds 25 games
Brooks Avg run 97m Reynolds 67m
Brooks Tackle efficiency 85.7 Reynolds 89.3
Brooks Line drop outs forced 13 Reynolds 9
Brooks Try assists 16 Reynolds 7
Brooks Line Breaks 10 Reynolds 10
Brooks Off Loads 25 Reynolds 9
Brooks Tackles made 456 Reynolds 359

Brooks Total all games 163 Reynolds 231
Brooks Total all tries 40 Reynolds 38

These are all NRL stats

In summary

Brooks gets more than double try assists
Forces more line drop outs
Runs more meters
Makes more tackles
And has more than 3 times more offloads

Ok he is not a leader but looking at the stats he is far better than Adam Reynolds
Not as good as Cleary, Hughes of DCE - but our team is no where as strong as theirs
BTW I am not Brooks "Fan Boy" but I do look at the stats in a non objective way

Context is king, without it stats are meaningless. I’d have Reynolds over Brooks every time. Reynolds knows how to win a game.

I’ll take Brooks over Reynolds.
The difference in the two halves is in the team’s they have. Not necessarily because of their quality, although it does have an effect, but because of stability and the bond of commonality. Before the whistle you need to look your teammates in the eye, the same as you do after full time.
Our boys change every week. Every week there’s a new kid to come and learn on your time.
Let’s see hoe Reynolds goes in 22 shall we?

Brooks problem isn’t skill, he just has no killer instinct, and thats got nothing to do with his teammates. Do you think Brooks makes that 2 point field goal Reynolds kicked against us? Not in a million years.

All good halfbacks can step up when it’s needed. Brooks doesn’t have that attribute.

Like I said in my last post though, he is not alone. There are at least 6 other halfbacks who couldn’t do what Reynolds does either. That isn’t a failing on Brooks. It just shows how good Reynolds is. FYI, I don’t think he will change the Broncos that dramatically. They still look pretty weak across the park. Outside or him, their spine sucks. So he’s going to be put to the test.

Against South's last year , do you think Reynolds could of done what brooks did, pick up the loose ball and run 100 metres to score a try, to win a game, and is still its debatable whether Burgess did get that ball down. Its not the first time Brooks has done something like this.

He would have been better off taking the tackle. It was ruled no try on field, was only called back for review because he scored.

That was the game against Warriors , but like i said he done this many times, its something that Reynolds would be incapable of.

Why would Reynolds be incapable of running the length when no one is chasing?


And kicking for repeat sets, kicking 40 20’s, 2 point field goals, setting up attacking raids, putting players through gaps, captaining a side to victory in finals series…these are things Brooks is incapable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxjF66OYbX0
 
i'm not a fan of brooks, think he has had enough shots with the tigers, and the constant criticism must be demoralising for him, a change is probably the best thing for him mentally and his career.
however
with AD out for a significant chunk of the season the tigers would be crazy to let him go this year, add to that the stupidly large warchest we already have what would the extra 400k really do for us?
we keep brooks for half the year at least, much better prospect than throwing a rookie in to the wolves or a makeshift half in peachey
2023 he can leave if he wishes and him and hastings/AD don't improve the tigers game. the dolphins mean the players values go through the roof, we can ship him off if needed and put more pressure on other clubs to up their offer on their established halves or madden is ready (if reserve grade is going ahead in 22)
 
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I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do


His work rate is quite high eg avg 20 tackles, while say Tamou avg is 22.

Yeah, and he tackles a lot harder than some of the forwards as well, coach does not have to hide him. Not to mention that he is also faster than most in the team.

Halfback or not, brooks walks into the current side.
 
@dazza65 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1498980) said:
That's all well and good - there is still the issue of $850K per year. If I was WT and I really did want to keep him - it all goes away with an additional statement that we want to keep him and if another club is interested, they can make us an offer at full freight. We will not consider anything else. Listen to the crickets after that.

Probably do a straight swap for JMK ......fits the bill ....utility ...left the Tigers previously ...Marshall in his name ...what else would anyone want .......
 
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming
 
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I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do


His work rate is quite high eg avg 20 tackles, while say Tamou avg is 22.

Yeah, and he tackles a lot harder than some of the forwards as well, coach does not have to hide him. Not to mention that he is also faster than most in the team.

How would anyone know he is faster than most ...he rarely hits the line at full speed ...which seeing he is a running half 1st and foremost ......don't get me started again .....
 
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@batboy said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1498945) said:
I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do


His work rate is quite high eg avg 20 tackles, while say Tamou avg is 22.

Yeah, and he tackles a lot harder than some of the forwards as well, coach does not have to hide him. Not to mention that he is also faster than most in the team.

How would anyone know he is faster than most ...he rarely hits the line at full speed ...which seeing he is a running half 1st and foremost ......don't get me started again .....

years of frustration, years of incompetence in the vital moments, years of making this my team... please extract the toothache
 
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@batboy said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1498945) said:
I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do


His work rate is quite high eg avg 20 tackles, while say Tamou avg is 22.

Yeah, and he tackles a lot harder than some of the forwards as well, coach does not have to hide him. Not to mention that he is also faster than most in the team.

How would anyone know he is faster than most ...he rarely hits the line at full speed ...which seeing he is a running half 1st and foremost ......don't get me started again .....

years of frustration, years of incompetence in the vital moments, years of making this my team... please extract the toothache

Or stop trying to turn him into an organizing half ...or bring an organizing half

Is Brooks the problem ...is Madge the problem ..or is too many coaches in his past telling him different info the problem....or is the lack of talented recruitment the problem

That is more my reasoning now for Brooks to go ...the bloke doesn't know if he is Arthur or Martha anymore

We need someone with a clean slate .......
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.
 
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499217) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499220) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499217) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?
 
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@batboy said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1498945) said:
I can’t honestly see why we’d sell him - For any money.
If he wants out or we don’t want him and someone is willing to pay full freight… Then maybe.
Why we’d pay any freight is ridiculous to entertain…
We certainly won’t replace him for 400-500k…

I am hopeful Hastings is significantly better than Brooks but I completely agree with you. Why get him off the books when we very few options in the halves. Paying him to play elsewhere seems completely bonkers.

Only if we are paying the majority.
If the opportunity arises to rissole a serial poor performer on huge money, then as long as we can offload 75% of his salary, it would be an easy decision to make.

Is he costing us that much ? No one has confirmed that he is on big dollars and I don't think he is. Then we have Hastings, Doueihi and Madden as our halves options. Doueihi is injured. Madden hasn't looked great from what I've seen in reserve grade. Hastings is unproven.

I'm fine with letting him go but it just seems like a poor roster management decision at this point. It also seems really dumb to do it and actually pay the player to play elsewhere.

He's on $850k. It's been reported as such widely for the last couple of seasons since his extension. He certainly is on Big dollars

What’s the issue with Brooks’ remuneration? There’s at least 12 halves in the comp on $850k or higher some not as good as Brooks. There’s also a dozen or more on less, some better than Brooks and some not as good imo.

There were but most of the highly paid halves that were overpaid are all out of contract as of Monday. Milford, Taylor, Moylan, Johnson. Mostly the only ones left getting paid big coin actually deserve it.

Brooks is a 300k max half based on what he produces yet he's paid triple that basically. It's a really bad contract for the club as far as squad culture and morale as it'd be really demotivating to bust a gut while your halfback produces nothing and earns way more than you do

There are no first grade halves on 300K.

Not every player is on the same scale, a half isnt paid like a winger or a squaddy 2RF.

Brodie Croft was reportedly on $400K at the Broncos and he was complete garbage. That was close to a bottom-dollar deal. Lachlan Lewis was on a similar salary with performances to match. Halfback is a whole different kettle of fish when it comes to salary. Chad Townsend will earn $650K/year at cows despite being not very good for quite a long time.

Even a reserve grade halfback can earn a damn good living. Jock Madden is likely earning around $200K/year despite still being a couple of years away from being FG standard. The reason they earn so much is because if you don't pay them big $, someone else will.

Exactly, first grade halves get $500K - $1.1M. Brooks is overpaid by probably $100-$200K.
 
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Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

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Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?

Same applies for those calling him to be captain. Think why some are skeptical is because we have seen these types of signings before and they never live up to the hype. He comes off as a poor man’s Josh Reynolds.
 
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More matches without a finals appearance than any player in history. Says it all really


That is far more likely on the club not the player.Brooks is not an ideal 7 but our failures are a combined CLUB/PLAYER failure not just him.

I never said they were solely on him. But he is an endemic part of the problem and the club persisting with him no matter how poorly he's performing sets a standard in the organisation that poor performance has no consequences. Instead he gets extension on contracts and is made the club's top earner. Moving Brooks on is a statement from the club saying that they want things to change. They want a different culture and they are going in a different direction.


Here is something to think about!

**Would you prefer Brooks or Adam Reynolds in your team**

Brooks and Adam Reynolds 2021 stats

Brooks Age 26 Reynolds Age 31
Brooks 2021 24 games Reynolds 25 games
Brooks Avg run 97m Reynolds 67m
Brooks Tackle efficiency 85.7 Reynolds 89.3
Brooks Line drop outs forced 13 Reynolds 9
Brooks Try assists 16 Reynolds 7
Brooks Line Breaks 10 Reynolds 10
Brooks Off Loads 25 Reynolds 9
Brooks Tackles made 456 Reynolds 359

Brooks Total all games 163 Reynolds 231
Brooks Total all tries 40 Reynolds 38

These are all NRL stats

In summary

Brooks gets more than double try assists
Forces more line drop outs
Runs more meters
Makes more tackles
And has more than 3 times more offloads

Ok he is not a leader but looking at the stats he is far better than Adam Reynolds
Not as good as Cleary, Hughes of DCE - but our team is no where as strong as theirs
BTW I am not Brooks "Fan Boy" but I do look at the stats in a non objective way

Context is king, without it stats are meaningless. I’d have Reynolds over Brooks every time. Reynolds knows how to win a game.

I’ll take Brooks over Reynolds.
The difference in the two halves is in the team’s they have. Not necessarily because of their quality, although it does have an effect, but because of stability and the bond of commonality. Before the whistle you need to look your teammates in the eye, the same as you do after full time.
Our boys change every week. Every week there’s a new kid to come and learn on your time.
Let’s see hoe Reynolds goes in 22 shall we?

Brooks problem isn’t skill, he just has no killer instinct, and thats got nothing to do with his teammates. Do you think Brooks makes that 2 point field goal Reynolds kicked against us? Not in a million years.

All good halfbacks can step up when it’s needed. Brooks doesn’t have that attribute.

Like I said in my last post though, he is not alone. There are at least 6 other halfbacks who couldn’t do what Reynolds does either. That isn’t a failing on Brooks. It just shows how good Reynolds is. FYI, I don’t think he will change the Broncos that dramatically. They still look pretty weak across the park. Outside or him, their spine sucks. So he’s going to be put to the test.

Against South's last year , do you think Reynolds could of done what brooks did, pick up the loose ball and run 100 metres to score a try, to win a game, and is still its debatable whether Burgess did get that ball down. Its not the first time Brooks has done something like this.

He would have been better off taking the tackle. It was ruled no try on field, was only called back for review because he scored.

That was the game against Warriors , but like i said he done this many times, its something that Reynolds would be incapable of.

Why would Reynolds be incapable of running the length when no one is chasing?


And kicking for repeat sets, kicking 40 20’s, 2 point field goals, setting up attacking raids, putting players through gaps, captaining a side to victory in finals series…these are things Brooks is incapable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxjF66OYbX0

Fantastic video paws. We tend to forget how good Brooks was & can be again.As shown in this video, when you multiple good players( Farah, Brooks , Tedesco, Woods, Lawrence, Moses ) the defence has to make a choice & it takes the pressure off one playmaker. Brooks has been carrying that load now for a long time. It just goes to show what we could of been doing these last few years if that poor excuse for a coach jason taylor hadnt ripped this club apart.
 
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