Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tony soprano]

Only good sign is the juniors but not translating to first grade

 

[twentyforty]

Sacking Madge may not be the solution, it could even perpetuate the mediocrity, he may be the only person in the organisation who is pushing in the right direction? There appears to be a few players who can’t accept the lack of desire to be winners but you could count them on one hand.
It smacks of hypocrisy that we parade Tommy as having a strong link with the club. We may aspire to be like him, but he is not one of us. Tommy was and still is a winner in every way.
The last 2 games we’ve run out not ready to play. We only get into the game when the coach has a tantrum, which has to stop. The players need to want it themselves .
There’s no soul in the joint, no esprit de corps. Such a shame really, this team has the playing roster to make the playoffs if they want it. ☹️

 

[JayT]

Perhaps should have gone with Anthony Griffen results indicate heh.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Perhaps should have gone with Anthony Griffen results indicate heh.

Anthony griffen has just decided to sign his u20s side from the broncos circa 2012. From all reports he’s got no idea how to develop talent , which means he’s basically doing what Cleary did here 3 years ago. Signing aging known quantities who’ve only only 1-2 years left max . Those wins are fools gold IMO.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

 

[tigerbenji]

Mike you are spot on, how many Coaches have we had?, too bloody many, we have to keep Madge & get rid of the Riff Raff. let Madge get the Team he wants.

 

[mikey]

Don't think I've been on here for a sack a coach thread. Should be interesting. But, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens.

We used to have lots a sack sheens threads....sack JT were amusing, potter not many I recall he was Mr. Nice guy

It's a constant - sack the coach. Funny that it's always the coach but we still keep underperforming.
It's not the coach. It's the playing group and their lack of desire to win.

 

[twentyforty]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Those few players who have the desire to be winners need to eventually outnumber the recalcitrants. It’s a long process, but when the recalcitrants see they are getting outnumbered they will either fall into line or move on. We won’t get there by allowing ourselves to be hoodwinked by 30+ yo telling us they’re bringing winning culture. We need to promote from within the young loyalists who see a career opportunity. Sure , for a season or two we’ll get 30 put on us but that’s happening now.

 

[Furious1]

Getting rid of Madge now will only cause more
Issues. Not only will it effect the remainder of the season but also next year. We can’t keep sacking coaches! We’ve had like 4 in the last 8 years. Clearly there’s a deeper issue. We’ve gotta be patient, **I honestly believe this defeat isn’t as bad as everyone else is making it out to be, one bunker decision goes the way it should and we win.** They players came back in the second half and got us back within 4 points. Players don’t do that for a coach they dislike.

Maybe instead we could figure out the best way to help the club. Maybe hire someone who can do a job between the players and coach. Think out of the box.

I don’t want another rebuild, let alone the media frenzy we are going to be copping. That’s what turns of players from
Coming here and makes our talent leave to other systems.

It wasn't as bad as it could have been, that's the scary part. A couple of bombed trys by the Cows in the first half could have had us 30+ behind at halftime. The bunker decision was correct.

 

[mikey]

Don't think I've been on here for a sack a coach thread. Should be interesting. But, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens.

We used to have lots a sack sheens threads....sack JT were amusing, potter not many I recall he was Mr. Nice guy

It's a constant - sack the coach. Funny that it's always the coach but we still keep underperforming.
It's not the coach. It's the playing group and their lack of desire to win.

Well, if that's true about the lack of desrire in the playing group, why is it so? And, whose job is it to change that?

You either miss or ignore the point - it's not just one coach who has failed to get the players going over an extended period - none of them have. Why repeat the same mistake?
It's not the coach - it's another factor and I think it comes down to the playing group's mentality and lack of belief. Look at any 'big' game we have had in the last decade. It's X's 10th, 150th; 20th - lose. We need to win to make the 8 - lose. Playing for the memory of X - we lose.
If you think that's on Madge over the enitre playing history of this club you're not looking hard enough.

 

[twentyforty]

Getting rid of Madge now will only cause more
Issues. Not only will it effect the remainder of the season but also next year. We can’t keep sacking coaches! We’ve had like 4 in the last 8 years. Clearly there’s a deeper issue. We’ve gotta be patient, **I honestly believe this defeat isn’t as bad as everyone else is making it out to be, one bunker decision goes the way it should and we win.** They players came back in the second half and got us back within 4 points. Players don’t do that for a coach they dislike.

Maybe instead we could figure out the best way to help the club. Maybe hire someone who can do a job between the players and coach. Think out of the box.

I don’t want another rebuild, let alone the media frenzy we are going to be copping. That’s what turns of players from
Coming here and makes our talent leave to other systems.

It wasn't as bad as it could have been, that's the scary part. A couple of bombed trys by the Cows in the first half could have had us 30+ behind at halftime. The bunker decision was correct.

If Doueihi had landed those 3 goals it would still be very very bad. I know that sounds like a retired US president, but that’s the scale we’re talking about. It can’t be mini/maxed to be any different.

 

[Blocker1963]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

 

[hobbo1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

They can’t win this time. Contracts mean nothing. Perform or you are out needs to be the motto.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Twal, Laurie, Stefano, Doueihi, Garner, Mikaele and Brooks all played well.

Did they listen to Maguire or played for pride? I'd suggest it was the latter.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

start playing guys in reserve grade tell them future at this club is looking limited:
Joey Leilua
David Nofoaluma
Brooks
Talau ? maybe
Roberts

maybe look at Naden ?

 

[twentyforty]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

Yes he is responsible but not in the way you’re indicating. I agree with you that we have big problems, but we had those big problems before Madge came along. The players just want equal rights. They want the same luxury afforded to the rest of workers in the club. Acceptable mediocrity . Madge’s job is to identify the winners from from the losers and increase his number of winners. It’s a hard battle because the losers are also identifying the winners.
I don’t think many coaches have had training in this area, it really is a job for a scientist. Tim Sheens did, but the losers eventually won the day.

 

[hobbo1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

They can’t win this time. Contracts mean nothing. Perform or you are out needs to be the motto.

?
Seen it all before....
Then going by your motto it’ll be paying nuffies big money to play Reggie’s or sitting home playing Xbox

Russell Packer ring a bell ?
It’s McGuire’s team .. no one else’s!

 

[TigerWest]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?