Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[avocadoontoast]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?

Are you suggesting the coach who signed/re-signed these players isn’t responsible?

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

They can’t win this time. Contracts mean nothing. Perform or you are out needs to be the motto.

?
Seen it all before....
Then going by your motto it’ll be paying nuffies big money to play Reggie’s or sitting home playing Xbox

Russell Packer ring a bell ?
It’s McGuire’s team .. no one else’s!

You've heard it all before because we keep making the same dumb mistakes by not making the players accountable for their performances. Packer won't be here next year. I suspect neither will BJ, Mbye, MCK or Brooks for that matter.

 

[hobbo1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

They can’t win this time. Contracts mean nothing. Perform or you are out needs to be the motto.

?
Seen it all before....
Then going by your motto it’ll be paying nuffies big money to play Reggie’s or sitting home playing Xbox

Russell Packer ring a bell ?
It’s McGuire’s team .. no one else’s!


You've heard it all before because we keep making the same dumb mistakes by not making the players accountable for their performances. Packer won't be here next year. I suspect neither will BJ, Mbye, MCK or Brooks for that matter.

So 3 of the 4 players you just named are off contract next year ... ? good one

Brooks is here until the end of 2023
And Nofoaluma is here until the end of 2025 ...this is the issue !

Talk is cheap Mike and we all know the coaches are the 1st to go

P.s BJ had his best ever game for us yesterday ... ?

 

[rah53]

There's not a coach out there that can polish this turd.

Madge tried his hard-line coaching style & got whinged at that it's too harsh & abrasive. They feel like they're "walking on eggshells".

So he accommodated them & backed off, and the stench has gotten worse.

There are so many things wrong with team, it's hard to pick 2 or 3 issues. Or even 10. No coach out there could fix those either in 2 or 3 years.

 

[mikey]

Don't think I've been on here for a sack a coach thread. Should be interesting. But, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens.

We used to have lots a sack sheens threads....sack JT were amusing, potter not many I recall he was Mr. Nice guy

It's a constant - sack the coach. Funny that it's always the coach but we still keep underperforming.
It's not the coach. It's the playing group and their lack of desire to win.

Well, if that's true about the lack of desrire in the playing group, why is it so? And, whose job is it to change that?

You either miss or ignore the point - it's not just one coach who has failed to get the players going over an extended period - none of them have. Why repeat the same mistake?
It's not the coach - it's another factor and I think it comes down to the playing group's mentality and lack of belief. Look at any 'big' game we have had in the last decade. It's X's 10th, 150th; 20th - lose. We need to win to make the 8 - lose. Playing for the memory of X - we lose.
If you think that's on Madge over the enitre playing history of this club you're not looking hard enough.

Well, you're missing or ignoring my point. I wasn't blaming the coach at all, just stating what you have explained in your reply; and I agree with that pattern of losses in significant games. My point is, why does it keep happening? And, if it's a lack of self-belief or mental frailty in the playing group, how can that be changed? Who can do that? What has to happen to change that?

And that is the million dollar question 🙂. Like any fan I can't see what's happening there so can't answer that one.

 

[TigerWest]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?

Are you suggesting the coach who signed/re-signed these players isn’t responsible?

I don’t think he is responsible for there performances once they are on the field. I mean Nofo and the Jet were absolutely horrible in the first half. I am sure he or any of us would not have expected such a lack of effort like that.

The only thing the coach can do now is to take them out of FG, but that is after the event.

 

[Devon Head]

So sack the coach then begin another multi year rebuild for the 5th or so time in last 10yrs? Madge is still cleaning up Ivan's mess, who do you bring in as a replacement?

 

[mikey]

There's not a coach out there that can polish this turd.

Madge tried his hard-line coaching style & got whinged at that it's too harsh & abrasive. They feel like they're "walking on eggshells".

So he accommodated them & backed off, and the stench has gotten worse.

There are so many things wrong with team, it's hard to pick 2 or 3 issues. Or even 10. No coach out there could fix those either in 2 or 3 years.

I agree. Need someone to come in and analyse the thing that needs polishing to find out what virus is at work 🙂

 

[avocadoontoast]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?

Are you suggesting the coach who signed/re-signed these players isn’t responsible?

I don’t think he is responsible for there performances once they are on the field. I mean Nofo and the Jet were absolutely horrible in the first half. I am sure he or any of us would not have expected such a lack of effort like that.

The only thing the coach can do now is to take them out of FG, but that is after the event.

At the end of the day he signed/re-signed them and coaches them. He’s responsible for getting the team prepared and ready and he’s failing at that.

 

[TigerWest]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

But the crap players have longer contracts than the coach which he himself extended ..
Players always win out .

They can’t win this time. Contracts mean nothing. Perform or you are out needs to be the motto.

?
Seen it all before....
Then going by your motto it’ll be paying nuffies big money to play Reggie’s or sitting home playing Xbox

Russell Packer ring a bell ?
It’s McGuire’s team .. no one else’s!


You've heard it all before because we keep making the same dumb mistakes by not making the players accountable for their performances. Packer won't be here next year. I suspect neither will BJ, Mbye, MCK or Brooks for that matter.

So 3 of the 4 players you just named are off contract next year ... ? good one

Brooks is here until the end of 2023
And Nofoaluma is here until the end of 2025 ...this is the issue !

Talk is cheap Mike and we all know the coaches are the 1st to go

P.s BJ had his best ever game for us yesterday ... ?

They can let it known that the players are allowed to talk to other clubs, we will take a hit in $’s, but it may be our best chance, because who we have now, is still not working.

 

[TigerWest]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?

Are you suggesting the coach who signed/re-signed these players isn’t responsible?

I don’t think he is responsible for there performances once they are on the field. I mean Nofo and the Jet were absolutely horrible in the first half. I am sure he or any of us would not have expected such a lack of effort like that.

The only thing the coach can do now is to take them out of FG, but that is after the event.

At the end of the day he signed/re-signed them and coaches them. He’s responsible for getting the team prepared and ready and he’s failing at that.

So I go back to my first point, do you think he prepares players to play with no effort in attack and defence?
It’s the players who miss tackles, who drop the ball, who think it’s alright to walk to the defence line.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So sack the coach then begin another multi year rebuild for the 5th or so time in last 10yrs? Madge is still cleaning up Ivan's mess, who do you bring in as a replacement?

If it went that far, Payten or Morris. Both are very smart operators. Both have WTs' dna. Both understand how we have always played. Both coached by the greatest. WTs' coach of them all.

 

[Devon Head]

So sack the coach then begin another multi year rebuild for the 5th or so time in last 10yrs? Madge is still cleaning up Ivan's mess, who do you bring in as a replacement?

If it went that far, Payten or Morris. Both are very smart operators. Both have WTs' dna. Both understand how we have always played. Both coached by the greatest. WTs' coach of them all.

Given Payten is only in his 1st season at Cows it's safe to say he isn't an option.

 

[Goanna57]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all

 

[Goanna57]

Said it few weeks ago, no depth in attack and to structured, every Team has an attack and defensive coach, but Madge would oversee, so overall he is responsible. All the Top Teams have adjusted to the new rules, and speed of the game, not us. Event ST G Illawarra when using a power game, ran hard and tackled hard. Big Problems in Tigertown

So Madge trains and coaches them to miss tackles, walk in attack, drop the ball and basically play crap, does he?

There would be a few players who would be very sheepish to turn up this morning.

When do the players take responsibility for their own performances? Most (if not all) are on $300k+ a season, that’s over $5k a week (I would have worked 24/7 for that) and that’s the lower paid blokes, that is big money for anyone, never mind a bunch of kids, don’t think it’s too much to ask them to earn their pay?

Are you suggesting the coach who signed/re-signed these players isn’t responsible?

And this is the point most defending him are missing

 

[sleeve]

Doeihie is a good footballer but not a 5/8. We desperatly need speed in the the halves and i would play Madden with Brooks, and Simkin at 9. Give them a chance to build a combination going forward , we need more variety in attack. Bring in Amone for more grunt. The 2,3,4 and 5 are sub standard and we need to get some quality there, but we appear stuck with them till next year. Our game plan and attitude is Madges responsibility, and at the moment it is poor.

 

[mike]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all

So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

 

[Goanna57]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

Mike as I said he brought in players he wanted or thought it suits his coaching style there failing badly that falls on him I thought it was the coaches job to get them to improve

 

[hobbo1]

Sometimes you need to go backwards before you can go forward. Sacking Madge won’t achieve anything. Culture change takes a long time. Madge sets high standards and that’s exactly what this club needs. For too long we have been happy with mediocrity, Madge isn’t and neither am I.

I'm with you there Mike. The problem is higher than him but unfortunately they won't see themselves as the problem

And we can't do anything about them by the sounds of things. So, round and round we go.

No we don’t go round and round. That would be sacking the coach. Change can come from the top down but it can also come from the bottom up. We need to continue to set high standards for the players until they get it. Those players that can’t, you move them on. Mediocrity will not be accepted.

So by my reckoning we have 4 players worth keeping and we need to move on the rest ...revolving door mate !

Letting the players get away with that performance by sacking the coach is exactly why we are in the current predicament. It breeds poor culture by allowing a lack of player accountability for their performances. That has to stop and now. Do what the coach wants or I’ll see you out the door is what is needed now. This is what all the successful teams do.

Look at how many new players and re- signed players in Maguire’s time at the club between 76-80% how many more turn over of players do you want .He’s not getting them to gel he brought the majority of this players into the side it’s on him he’s not getting the team to improve at all


So you keep turning the players over until you get the right mix. This is not a Maguire issue, it has been going on for a decade where the players were not held responsible, instead it was all on the coach. An easy out for the players.

?
You’re digging your heels in with this one ..