Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tiger05premier]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

He has brought in players that were willing to sign

If he got the players he really wanted we would have

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow
Plus whoever else rejected us

That's not a Madge problem it a club problem

It's something Madge is working his heart out to fix

 

[TigerWest]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

 

[TigerWest]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

 

[tiger05premier]

Watched Madges Presser x2

I like his words and commitment to our club.

But in truth, he doesnt have much choice in terms of ready replacements.

Remember this is 15 years of crud. Madge will change this culture, hang on Tigers fans.

I to actually liked some of what he had to say today, 1st time I have seen him actually talk about problems. The parts I didn't like were the excuses he made for those problems

Maguire talks the talk ..he is trying to save his job and will say anything to do so .
He has lost his players everyone can see this with there demeanour on the park ,he has had plenty of opportunity to drop players but refuses. There are players in reserve grade that would take the opportunity.
Maguire has lost the locker room and as each week passes so does he lose the supporter base !

Here's the million-dollar question. Let's assume Maguire has indeed lost some of the players. Are these the players we care to keep, care to placate?

I reckon you could line up all the players who don't rate Madge, however many there might be, and they would end up being the most heartless, gutless, least capable players still hanging on to their contract.

New players like Laurie, Ofa, Blore, Stefano, Douiehi - all had a red-hot dig, all Madge-era recruits. Luch Leilua is a tough one, he's still a real X-Factor in attack and consistently a threat against good teams, but his defence is arguably getting worse and he has very little ability to adjust once he has set his feet.

Jimmy Jet was pretty aggressive yesterday, I don't think he had a bad game, the defensive mistakes on the RHS were made inside him.

Don't think there's any defence for Mbye - I think he should probably sit out the rest of the season. The 5/8th experiment was interesting, and temporarily worked, but his defensive ability there is horrendous. I don't get it, because he is often a quite capable defender at centre. Any which way he needs to go, which leaves either Madden or Doueihi to halves. I think you go Doueihi, short-term, get him touching the ball as much as possible before Hastings comes in.

Talau probably comes back in at centre, if not, give a young bloke a go. Maybe even Nofo is a left-field consideration for centre, if you can get him running straight rather than sideways; I have no idea how his defensive reads might work out. Or Maumolo... point is to get a new guy in on the wing and experienced, perhaps Cooper or give Cini another run, or Fitzgibbon...or go totally left-field and put a junior hot-shot in. Point being season is done, can't lose with experimentation.

Main issue Madge has however is he can't drop 6 players, they'll be just as flogged the next time around. He has to make small adjustments.

Great post

 

[ElleryHanley]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

He has brought in players that were willing to sign

If he got the players he really wanted we would have

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow
Plus whoever else rejected us

That's not a Madge problem it a club problem

It's something Madge is working his heart out to fix

I think it is a club 'and' Madge problem...Lomax is a Tigers fan and always wanted to play with Benji.

He met Madge several times...and still chose to remain under Mary McGregor.

Part of a the head coaches role is to get those deals across the line. A lot of players have met Madge and decided not to join us. Harsh maybe, but that is what we are dealing with. All the ones you mentioned below...not one we got over the line. Trent Barret landed two of them.

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

 

[avocadoontoast]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

He has brought in players that were willing to sign

If he got the players he really wanted we would have

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow
Plus whoever else rejected us

That's not a Madge problem it a club problem

It's something Madge is working his heart out to fix

I think it is a club 'and' Madge problem...Lomax is a Tigers fan and always wanted to play with Benji.

He met Madge several times...and still chose to remain under Mary McGregor.

Part of a the head coaches role is to get those deals across the line. A lot of players have met Madge and decided not to join us. Harsh maybe, but that is what we are dealing with. All the ones you mentioned below...not one we got over the line. Trent Barret landed two of them.

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow

He is a turn off, not an attraction.

 

[TigerWest]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

 

[sleeve]

Many reasons why we are crap, but coaching must be at the top of the list. There has been zero improvement in defence, especially in the backline. No aggression in attack or defence, minimum offloads, no cohesion in attack, and a sixties game plan. It's not just our lousey slow players.

 

[TigerWest]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

 

[tiger05premier]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

He has brought in players that were willing to sign

If he got the players he really wanted we would have

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow
Plus whoever else rejected us

That's not a Madge problem it a club problem

It's something Madge is working his heart out to fix

I think it is a club 'and' Madge problem...Lomax is a Tigers fan and always wanted to play with Benji.

He met Madge several times...and still chose to remain under Mary McGregor.

Part of a the head coaches role is to get those deals across the line. A lot of players have met Madge and decided not to join us. Harsh maybe, but that is what we are dealing with. All the ones you mentioned below...not one we got over the line. Trent Barret landed two of them.

LM
JAC
Zac Lomax
Matt Burton
JFH
AJ Brimson
Jai Arrow

Previous coaches would of elite stars as well and failed to get them here

Lomax stayed at his junior club

It's a problem the tigers have always had that be fixed until our youngsters start getting results unfortunately

And yes that will take a few years but thats our option and Madge and Hartigan have a long haul ahead of them to fix this mess

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

Watch the games, look at the structures in place. It's diabolical. Why does he use Tamou for only 25 minutes - if that's all he can do dont play him at all? Why are we so passive in defence? Why do we have zero flair in attack?

And his press conference yesterday was embarrassing.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Looks like the "playing kids" experiment is over?
In these last 3 games, the opposition looked so much bigger than our blokes imo?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/i-need-to-find-men-michael-maguire-flags-roster-overhaul-as-tigers-lashed-over-garbage-loss/news-story/3f1459ef2db3bfd091620a135ed296a1

**‘I need to find men’: Michael Maguire flags roster overhaul as Tigers lashed over ‘garbage’ loss​**

A frustrated Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has lashed his team’s “garbage” performance as they sunk to a new low at their spiritual home.

The Tigers treated defence like it was optional as the Rabbitohs piled on seven tries in a 38-22 training run.

It came off the back of Maguire’s men conceding an embarrassing 66 points in their previous outing against the Storm.

It was a good thing there were no fans at the ground because the players would have been booed off at Leichhardt Oval for the second time this season.

A month to the day after they stunned the Panthers, Michael Maguire’s side folded as the Origin-in-waiting halves of Cody Walker and Adam Reynolds picked them apart with consummate ease.

Speaking after the match Maguire said they needed to fix their diabolic starts to games.

“For three weeks, our starts have been ordinary. We have to be accountable for that,” he said.

“It’s sad to say that our start looked like a training run for Souths. It’s very disappointing to see us start like that.

“I need to find men who are going to be accountable for what we’re doing. That’s not acceptable for where we’re going with the club.

“Our first half was garbage.”

Maguire, who said there was no repeat of the silent treatment he gave his side at halftime during the Storm hammering, said he would use the rest of the season to work out which players had a future at the Tigers.

“I’ll be definitely having a look at the team,” Maguire said.

“They’ve got a week now where they can go away from footy for a while.

“I want to find the ones that are ready to take Wests Tigers forward.”

“We’re very focused on where we want to get to. Seeing a performance like that is disappointing because the effort around the organisation is a strong club.

Maguire has challenged his players' manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable and he should be asked to attend the CEO's office this morning. No wonder we're viewed in less than positive light.

They were gutless from the outset. It was more than just Maguire questioning their manhood. I'd say 95% of Tigers fans are thinking the same.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Do we have a new coach yet

I'm not saying it's all Madges fault be if he can't get the players up that he signed then the writing is on the wall for him

I would imagine there is some deep discussions going on this week about Madges position
At a guess I would say he has 4 weeks to turn it around
Or 
And I wouldn't sign up any other players till it's sorted out
A new coach will want to sign some of his own players

 

[GCfan]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

Watch the games, look at the structures in place. It's diabolical. Why does he use Tamou for only 25 minutes - if that's all he can do dont play him at all? Why are we so passive in defence? Why do we have zero flair in attack?

Funny, i don’t think attack is our problem. I feel that our attack has looked better in recent times since Brooks has found a bit more form. If we could tackle we would win some footy games. Defence has and continues to be our biggest issue

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

Watch the games, look at the structures in place. It's diabolical. Why does he use Tamou for only 25 minutes - if that's all he can do dont play him at all? Why are we so passive in defence? Why do we have zero flair in attack?

Funny, i don’t think attack is our problem. I feel that our attack has looked better in recent times since Brooks has found a bit more form. If we could tackle we would win some footy games. Defence has and continues to be our biggest issue

I think our attack is pretty dreadful. It's 5 hit ups and bomb. There's no structure, just occasional pieces of good play from individuals.

 

[Furious1]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

Madge doesn't have many options

No one wants to come here

But he still has to have 30 players

**No other coach has succeeded in bringing stars here either**

So it begs the question. If it's not the coach then you have to look elsewhere, what is it? I have my own opinions on that which i know a lot of people don't agree with so i'd like to hear the solution.

 

[Telltails]

I don't like being negative...and this season has been draining.

But the 100% bottom line is Maguire should be sat down and given a choice.

You let us appoint modern, young, assistants and who can run a game plan. No old, out of touch, yes men.

You let someone else coach the D.

A panel of 3 picks the team. You are excluded from sticking with "your men" and the team is held accountable.

OR

You are gone.

Dreaming

you're happy for him to continue as is, without changing the status quo? you're happy with how he's travelling as head coach?

I've said it a 1000 times, I believe the players are at fault for not putting in.

The club appear to think that as well, by the looks? Otherwise he would be gone?

Make believe contract demands, is not going to happen.

That's such a cop out. There is only one reason he's still there TW, and that's because the incompetent board that offered him an extension would look foolish for sacking him now. He's done a terrible job and will be lucky to last the season (thank god)

Sorry, you know all this, how?

Because I have eyes

WOW, Ok.:eyes:

Watch the games, look at the structures in place. It's diabolical. Why does he use Tamou for only 25 minutes - if that's all he can do dont play him at all? Why are we so passive in defence? Why do we have zero flair in attack?

Funny, i don’t think attack is our problem. I feel that our attack has looked better in recent times since Brooks has found a bit more form. If we could tackle we would win some footy games. Defence has and continues to be our biggest issue

I think our attack is pretty dreadful. It's 5 hit ups and bomb. There's no structure, just occasional pieces of good play from individuals.

Can't attack when you spend 70% of your time
camped in your own twenty with a FB 8stone ringing wet taking more hit ups than your forwards. Forwards set up attacking opportunities for the backs to play behind have a look at the stats of our forwards yesterday.
The few times we were in a position to have a crack in the 2nd half we scored.