Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tony soprano]

Also is there any reason we can’t swap brooks to the right defensively ? I don’t understand why we have our best backline defender , defending on the safer edge .
If the edge is all at sea , we should stack it as best we can , sure it means a swap on attack and vise versa , but it’s worth a shot isn’t it ? He covers up so many other players bad defensive reads .

Chicken and egg for mine, as Brooks' defence makes it the safer edge. As well as being a left footer, so his kicking game is much better suited to the left.

Yea , I guess the chopping and changing would be too much . It’s just most teams base thier attack down thier left ,our right , so it stands to reason that strengthening that should be the priority.

But the first try , probably shows if people are going to make them wrong choices defensively , then the holes will appear wherever those bad defenders are .

It just makes no sense . I watched the left defend last night , and they just slid together multiple times and the attack sputtered out. Up and slide . Basic stuff . I don’t get why the right can’t do that .
The only thing I can think is the middles / Luciano are so bad defensively , that the edge just feels compelled to rush in to help him . If that’s the case swap him with someone with more agility , and move him inside . I might be totally wrong , and might be even further inside than that .

Souths really take it to the line and it puts confusion in the defenders.

They had the defence in a string them we panic then regained some composure in the second half

Was pretty stupid really, I know it’s easier said then done but they do do the same thing each week

Coupled with a front row starters and forwards in general making no meters equal a bad day in the office

 

[Needaname]

Also is there any reason we can’t swap brooks to the right defensively ? I don’t understand why we have our best backline defender , defending on the safer edge .
If the edge is all at sea , we should stack it as best we can , sure it means a swap on attack and vise versa , but it’s worth a shot isn’t it ? He covers up so many other players bad defensive reads .

Chicken and egg for mine, as Brooks' defence makes it the safer edge. As well as being a left footer, so his kicking game is much better suited to the left.

Hastings will complement perfectly on the right.

 

[GCfan]

Also is there any reason we can’t swap brooks to the right defensively ? I don’t understand why we have our best backline defender , defending on the safer edge .
If the edge is all at sea , we should stack it as best we can , sure it means a swap on attack and vise versa , but it’s worth a shot isn’t it ? He covers up so many other players bad defensive reads .

Chicken and egg for mine, as Brooks' defence makes it the safer edge. As well as being a left footer, so his kicking game is much better suited to the left.

Yea , I guess the chopping and changing would be too much . It’s just most teams base thier attack down thier left ,our right , so it stands to reason that strengthening that should be the priority.

But the first try , probably shows if people are going to make them wrong choices defensively , then the holes will appear wherever those bad defenders are .

It just makes no sense . I watched the left defend last night , and they just slid together multiple times and the attack sputtered out. Up and slide . Basic stuff . I don’t get why the right can’t do that .
The only thing I can think is the middles / Luciano are so bad defensively , that the edge just feels compelled to rush in to help him . If that’s the case swap him with someone with more agility , and move him inside . I might be totally wrong , and might be even further inside than that .

Souths really take it to the line and it puts confusion in the defenders.

You’re right, and the only way to combat taking it to the line is to take away the space with fast line speed. We just can’t keep being passive in defence or we’ll keep on getting what we’re getting at the moment.

 

[cochise]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

 

[tony soprano]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

U reckon Flanagan would come here or you do don’t rate him?

 

[cochise]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

U reckon Flanagan would come here or you do don’t rate him?

My problems with Flanagan come down to the issues he has had in the past. I don't think he should have a place in the game and I am not willing to change that opinion just because we need a coach.

 

[tiger_one]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

Champion @cochise - can I respectfully refer you to the thread on Mental Health.
Seriously, there is always a solution.
Now, whether that is to to with the club player roster, the constraints of the salary cap, the coaching methodology or whatever, that's when a sensible club review consider all the aspects that contribute etc, so I would have thought that this will happen within our club and not too far away.
Coincidence that Sheens is coming - I don't think so.
The current Wests Tigers management should be on the front foot here and putting a positive spin on the task ahead in changing the core requirements leading to change and success.

 

[cochise]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.


Champion @cochise - can I respectfully refer you to the thread on Mental Health.
Seriously, there is always a solution.
Now, whether that is to to with the club player roster, the constraints of the salary cap, the coaching methodology or whatever, that's when a sensible club review consider all the aspects that contribute etc, so I would have thought that this will happen within our club and not too far away.
Coincidence that Sheens is coming - I don't think so.
The current Wests Tigers management should be on the front foot here and putting a positive spin on the task ahead in changing the core requirements leading to change and success.

The issue is, I believe it is all of those things, so I don't really see the fix moving forward. I think I should do the review, I actually have a lot of experience in that area lol.

 

[cochise]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.


Champion @cochise - can I respectfully refer you to the thread on Mental Health.
Seriously, there is always a solution.
Now, whether that is to to with the club player roster, the constraints of the salary cap, the coaching methodology or whatever, that's when a sensible club review consider all the aspects that contribute etc, so I would have thought that this will happen within our club and not too far away.
Coincidence that Sheens is coming - I don't think so.
The current Wests Tigers management should be on the front foot here and putting a positive spin on the task ahead in changing the core requirements leading to change and success.

You know what, you are right. If I can't see the answer then a review is the way forward.

 

[Telltails]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

Playing three of the best teams in a row was brutal. A reality check that was like a knockout punch.

 

[Crucible]

If there was an obvious solution to the Mage issues, don't you think it would be done and dusted? Nothing has happened nor will happen because there is no obvious replacement.
Those claiming Sheens is the replacement /saviour ,really are living in LA LA Land. Sheens has not coached in the NRL for how long? The game has changed, he hasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Sheens but he is not the solution., nor are any of the suggested replacements, especially Flanagan.
Id rather come last for the next ten years than allow him anywhere near our club. We might be desperate ,but not that desperate to abandon all self respect. .

 

[BalmainJnr]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

U reckon Flanagan would come here or you do don’t rate him?

My problems with Flanagan come down to the issues he has had in the past. I don't think he should have a place in the game and I am not willing to change that opinion just because we need a coach.

I agree with this.
Flanagan is not the answer for us.
Plus I am pretty sure even chock full of peptides our players still wouldn’t be able to get off their heels and push up when defending.

 

[Harvey]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

His recruitment has been within the constraints of an extremely buggered salary cap, with the Cleary era leaving a series of massively overpaid useless players on long term contracts, that is finally getting sorted out.

Can we please stop that narrative, there has been plenty of room under the cap. $1 million was available for Lattrel.

The problem is we cannot attract players.

There was enough money to make a play for Latrell, Cotric, JAC, Burton and others, but either we did not chase them or could not sign them.

Look on the bright side, I am sure some were suggesting going after Flanagan as an upgrade on Luke Brooks.

 

[Radoush]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.


Champion @cochise - can I respectfully refer you to the thread on Mental Health.
Seriously, there is always a solution.
Now, whether that is to to with the club player roster, the constraints of the salary cap, the coaching methodology or whatever, that's when a sensible club review consider all the aspects that contribute etc, so I would have thought that this will happen within our club and not too far away.
Coincidence that Sheens is coming - I don't think so.
The current Wests Tigers management should be on the front foot here and putting a positive spin on the task ahead in changing the core requirements leading to change and success.

You know what, you are right. If I can't see the answer then a review is the way forward.

Take comfort in knowing that someone has to come last in a 16 team comp and the Broncos are next and will be gunning for us

 

[TheDaBoss]

Chuck the ruddy kitchen sink at Bennett

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If there was an obvious solution to the Mage issues, don't you think it would be done and dusted? Nothing has happened nor will happen because there is no obvious replacement.
Those claiming Sheens is the replacement /saviour ,really are living in LA LA Land. Sheens has not coached in the NRL for how long? The game has changed, he hasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Sheens but he is not the solution., nor are any of the suggested replacements, especially Flanagan.
Id rather come last for the next ten years than allow him anywhere near our club. We might be desperate ,but not that desperate to abandon all self respect. .

Not changing an underperforming coach for fear of not finding a replacement is challenging.

 

[cochise]

If there was an obvious solution to the Mage issues, don't you think it would be done and dusted? Nothing has happened nor will happen because there is no obvious replacement.
Those claiming Sheens is the replacement /saviour ,really are living in LA LA Land. Sheens has not coached in the NRL for how long? The game has changed, he hasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Sheens but he is not the solution., nor are any of the suggested replacements, especially Flanagan.
Id rather come last for the next ten years than allow him anywhere near our club. We might be desperate ,but not that desperate to abandon all self respect. .

Not changing an underperforming coach for fear of not finding a replacement is challenging.

You don't make a change without a better plan in place, I'm struggling to find a better plan.

 

[Geo]

If there was an obvious solution to the Mage issues, don't you think it would be done and dusted? Nothing has happened nor will happen because there is no obvious replacement.
Those claiming Sheens is the replacement /saviour ,really are living in LA LA Land. Sheens has not coached in the NRL for how long? The game has changed, he hasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Sheens but he is not the solution., nor are any of the suggested replacements, especially Flanagan.
Id rather come last for the next ten years than allow him anywhere near our club. We might be desperate ,but not that desperate to abandon all self respect. .

Not changing an underperforming coach for fear of not finding a replacement is challenging.

You don't make a change without a better plan in place, I'm struggling to find a better plan.

Queue John Morris under Sheens..in before paws..

 

[cochise]

If there was an obvious solution to the Mage issues, don't you think it would be done and dusted? Nothing has happened nor will happen because there is no obvious replacement.
Those claiming Sheens is the replacement /saviour ,really are living in LA LA Land. Sheens has not coached in the NRL for how long? The game has changed, he hasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Sheens but he is not the solution., nor are any of the suggested replacements, especially Flanagan.
Id rather come last for the next ten years than allow him anywhere near our club. We might be desperate ,but not that desperate to abandon all self respect. .

Not changing an underperforming coach for fear of not finding a replacement is challenging.

You don't make a change without a better plan in place, I'm struggling to find a better plan.

Queue John Morris under Sheens..in before paws..

Why was Morris sacked?

 

[tony soprano]

I am seriously lost today, Madge isn't getting it done but I don't believe in making change unless there is a very clear plan on what happens after that to make things better. Otherwise you are likely to end up in the same place in 2 years time. There are only 2 coaches that I think can walk in with a high probability of solving this problem and they won't be coming to the Wests Tigers there are serious problems with every other option. I really don't know what we should do to get out of this and I am arrogant enough to believe that if I can't see the solution than no one else can. The most hopeless I have ever felt about the team.

U reckon Flanagan would come here or you do don’t rate him?

My problems with Flanagan come down to the issues he has had in the past. I don't think he should have a place in the game and I am not willing to change that opinion just because we need a coach.

They’ve all cheated at some point tho I guess