Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[pawsandclaws1]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think Madge can say what he likes about HIS PLAYERS UNDER HIS CONTROL when they arent following his instructions or not playing to their capacity ...
If he wants to back his players up by saying he has a good group of players and he believes in them as he has said so many times,why cant he criticise them when they fail him?
I know people will have a go at me because I mention about my playing days BUT I have to say,back then we did what the coach asked,if we needed help he was always there,yes we copped a spray at times in no uncertain terms and the language was pretty tough,BUT we listened and took it onboard to improve our game..we never backchatted,critiqued or belittled him...it was called RESPECT ...something these overpaid wannabees know little about...especially blaming each other or whiteanting staff and players...
Its a diffrent ball game these days....

TT, you can get a message across in a positive manner without alienating and demotivating your staff.

Paws its a different environment,things are going to be said in the heat of the moment,big money players,reputations and the club are all going to be scrutinised at some point...its the way it goes...if people cant let a coach say what he means under the pressure of the team failing him,and he didnt really say anything other than needing men,he never called them losers or layabouts or anything like that,then the whole NRL needs a complete overhaul as do clubs coaches and players..

 

[cktiger]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable

100 % agree with this!! For too,long the players have run this club and look how thats gone !!

I would rather see the rookies having a go in first grade and get pumped by 50 rather than have this mob show up and pretend to look like they are interested and still get pumped by 50!!!

It will take time but if they give Madge the time to do it we will come out the other side in a great position

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

Unfortunately for some "the truth hurts" in or outside the workplace...

And if it hurts that much they can't handle maybe it's time they went to a profession that's not too hard for them

 

[tiger05premier]

I wish I could go to work with the same attitude and effort as tigers players and get my boss sacked for my under performance

What a luxury these professional overpaid tigers players have

Its funny players with this attitude at storm would be shown the door ASAP

And look how the storm have performed over the last 20yrs by always backing the coach compared to us who keep on crapping on our coach each time he raises his voice at the princesses

 

[wonka]

Are the players angry with Madge because he is too tough or is it his game plan is utter garbage.

 

[tiger05premier]

Are the players angry with Madge because he is too tough or is it his game plan is utter garbage.

I would say he is tough for some princesses in our side and the attitude that comes with that leads to such a poor performance that we can't get into the game enough to follow a plan

Other that that when we do have a decent attitude and have a go we look alright

But that's just my opinion

Attitude is everything and our attitude sux

 

[avocadoontoast]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

Not the only one, I agree with Paws. Wasn’t necessary and just gave the media more fodder.

 

[851]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

 

[Needaname]

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It’s not overly difficult to do.

Calling something out here that should of been identified from a while back.
Wests Tigers is a Football Team that is supported by a professional organisation.

We need to put the cart back before the horse all this corporate gobbly goop and political correct phrasing should stay right where it exists in the corporate world.

It’s time the Wests Tigers professional organisation start focusing on the one objective that keep them in a job.

To play and win football games.

 

[twentyforty]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Hes not there to make friends and if the players are looking for someone to make them happy let them go to Maccas and talk to Ronald.

 

[BZN]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

His recruitment has been within the constraints of an extremely buggered salary cap, with the Cleary era leaving a series of massively overpaid useless players on long term contracts, that is finally getting sorted out.

He was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchell over $1m a year. I don't think he's been any more hamstrung than other coaches, particularly this year.

Do you have solid proof that "he was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchel over $1 m a year" ? Avo.

Reported widely in the media at the time. This was from the article in the SMH when we pulled our offer:

'Sources have told the Herald that Mitchell was prepared to wait up until Christmas before making a call on his future. The Tigers, who have $1.7 million left in their salary cap to spend for 2020, weren’t prepared to wait that long."

OK, fair enough Avo. But how do You decide what to believe thats reported in the media?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

His recruitment has been within the constraints of an extremely buggered salary cap, with the Cleary era leaving a series of massively overpaid useless players on long term contracts, that is finally getting sorted out.

He was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchell over $1m a year. I don't think he's been any more hamstrung than other coaches, particularly this year.

Do you have solid proof that "he was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchel over $1 m a year" ? Avo.

Reported widely in the media at the time. This was from the article in the SMH when we pulled our offer:

'Sources have told the Herald that Mitchell was prepared to wait up until Christmas before making a call on his future. The Tigers, who have $1.7 million left in their salary cap to spend for 2020, weren’t prepared to wait that long."

OK, fair enough Avo. But how do You decide what to believe thats reported in the media?

Fair enough. Are you suggesting we didn’t offer him?

 

[851]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Hes not there to make friends and if the players are looking for someone to make them happy let them go to Maccas and talk to Ronald.

I don't care about making friends, his job is to win games and improve the side, he is failing, and failing badly, getting worse each year, not better as he should be

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Plus we are going through a major rebuild

A major rebuild

This toxic club needs to be turned around and sacking Madge will just delay it

 

[tiger05premier]

Maguire has challenged his players’ manhood publicly (or even privately)and that is the end for him. Football aside, that is unacceptable

They have few testicles between them, it is a statement of fact.

It is counterproductive to team building, cohesion and performance. And importantly, how do you believe other players outside the club will view WTs as a destination? Are we that naive to think word does not get around?

So we should be announcing in a press conference that players like Mbye actually had a great game, in the hopes that Brandon Smith might then decide he wants to come here?

Good players do not want to play with our squad.

To be fair why would any good player want to come and be lectured by a lunatic every week. You could see Everyone’s eyes glazing over.

Do you think Bellamy is not an angry ranting lunatic?

Nope. If you look at the shots in the dressing room he’s seated and talking normally 99% of the time. He blows up a couple of times a year when he needs to.

Bellamy has never had to deal with a squad like this. There is absolutely no evidence to support how he would or wouldn't react.

That’s because he whould not have recruited or re-signed the the players Maguire has

He has never been in a position to have to sign the type of players this club attracts.

Not so true he has recruited players that seem to be fairly average at other clubs who then improve under him and there systems. Maguire has brought in players to supposedly suit he’s coaching style and yet no improvement in individual performance or team performance. I whould like to see us improving to give some hope I’m just not seeing it

His recruitment has been within the constraints of an extremely buggered salary cap, with the Cleary era leaving a series of massively overpaid useless players on long term contracts, that is finally getting sorted out.

He was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchell over $1m a year. I don't think he's been any more hamstrung than other coaches, particularly this year.

Do you have solid proof that "he was in a position to offer Latrell Mitchel over $1 m a year" ? Avo.

Reported widely in the media at the time. This was from the article in the SMH when we pulled our offer:

'Sources have told the Herald that Mitchell was prepared to wait up until Christmas before making a call on his future. The Tigers, who have $1.7 million left in their salary cap to spend for 2020, weren’t prepared to wait that long."

OK, fair enough Avo. But how do You decide what to believe thats reported in the media?

Easy they just pick what they want to hear and ignore what they dont

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Hes not there to make friends and if the players are looking for someone to make them happy let them go to Maccas and talk to Ronald.

I don't care about making friends, his job is to win games and improve the side, he is failing, and failing badly, getting worse each year, not better as he should be

I expected it to get worse b4 it got better

We are close to the bottom right now

We have a young man in SOO squad

That's our future just there with all the other youngsters Madge is hoping to be coaching in 5yrs at this club

We need to be patient and back the club

We are moving forward but it takes time