Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410357) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410346) said:
@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410326) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410319) said:
Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Well said Sir!!! Lol
 
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410692) said:
@tiger_one said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410636) said:
And Phil Gould again adds his twopence worth:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-issues-michael-maguire-phil-gould-breaks-it-down/3466089e-fb32-4169-9f3c-d08354a31bd3?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210709&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily&fbclid=IwAR29OlW5-J0cg4rRsZwUE2IAFCVFLgEb7okfJzJ8cwC543YkjCMccF22UEg

EXCLUSIVE: Phil Gould breaks down Wests Tigers' woes, the 'band-aid' solutions hurting club internally

Rugby league guru Phil Gould says the Wests Tigers' struggles are in part due to the club's default response to "band-aid over things" internally, rather than "to sit back from the outside" and discover what the real problems are.

The Tigers, who last reached the finals in 2011, look destined to again miss out on postseason football currently sitting 12th on the NRL ladder, with five wins and 10 losses to their name.

The Concord-based club's struggles have been highlighted by a number of internal issues, namely player unrest and speculation surrounding the coaching future of Michael Maguire.

Coming off three consecutive defeats, in which the Tigers have conceded a total of 144 points, pressure is continuing to mount on the club.

Gould says the Tigers, like several other clubs in the competition, are failing to appropriately address the internal issues that are leading to the negative results on the field.

"Having been involved behind the scenes in football clubs, sometimes the people inside the organisation can't see the forest for the trees," he told James Bracey on Wide World of Sports' Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

"They can't see it spiralling out of control, where people from the outside are looking at it like, 'Wow, look at what's happening here'.

"Internally, you're trying to band-aid over things and put out little fires and keep things moving along... then you have another bad day or a bad half and that allows all the other conjecture - you drop a key player, you drop a senior player, you change a captain.

"You do all these things internally that you think are the right things to do and you really need to sit back from the outside and look at it and get to the real root of the problem as you're trying to get out of it.

"I feel for them (Tigers). I feel for a lot of the clubs at the moment who struggle - it must be a torment for them out on the field, being beaten by 50 and 60 points and knowing you're not competitive."

Making particular note of two of the club's recent performances - last week's loss to South Sydney and the Round Five defeat at the hands of North Queensland - Gould said it's a concerning sign the club was thrashed in both first halves before turning things around in the second period.

The former NSW Origin coach claims the club's inability to stay on top during both the first and second half are signs of having "no resilience".

"The Tigers, they look like a club really under stress, they play like they're under stress. They never look comfortable," Gould added.

"I remember a game this year, they were raging hot favourites the day they were going to pay tribute to Tommy Raudonikis at Leichhardt Oval, and they were playing the Cowboys who hadn't beaten anyone.

"They were down by 26 or 28 points at half-time. I had a similar feeling about it watching them [against South Sydney] on the weekend - where they go out with all good intention, then it just prickles like a balloon or one little mistake or one little try, then all of a sudden it's an avalanche.

"They can't deal with it until they can get back with the coach at half-time. In both of those games, they've come out and had strong second halves.

"Which means, whatever he said to them at half-time must have had an effect. They must have been able to regroup, take a breath, calm down and then come back and start to apply themselves better.

"But why can't they do that with themselves on the field? It seems a lot of these teams mentally, it's all too hard for them. Once they get on the wrong end of a team with talent who can score the points, there's no resilience until next week or the second half, or whenever they can regroup and come again.

"That's not the signs of a professional footballer or a professional team. Attitude control and mental control is a key part of being a professional athlete."

One of the big talking points from the Tigers' loss to the Rabbitohs last weekend was the club's sudden change of its defensive structure.

The Tigers during that match trailed by 26 points at the main break after showcasing a defensive structure in which Parramatta great Peter Sterling said: "I haven't seen this kind of defence before... I've never seen a team stand still and then reverse before the play gets to them. It's an invitation."

Gould echoed similar thoughts and said Maguire's decision to change the defensive systems was the wrong thing to do given the position the Tigers are currently in.

"Sometimes they have some good results, but too often we see performances like that on the weekend. But what made it worse on the weekend was the revelation prior to the game, that the coach had changed the defensive structure for the team," Gould said.

"That's too hard to do in seven days. It's almost impossible to do against one of the top sides.

"What he was probably saying to them, mentally before the game, is that our defence can't cope with Souths, so we need to change something up very quickly.

"You probably get one or two sessions to educate them on it and it just fell apart. They didn't know what they were doing. They really didn't know what they were doing.

"Over time, he might be right, that might be the best defensive system for those players, but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of sessions to turn it around and change it.

"You probably wouldn't change it against the better sides like that, you've got to work with what you're training week in and week out. What they did on the weekend wasn't right for the South Sydney game."


Maybe we should invite him to conduct a review.

What about Brian Smith lol
 
@happy_tiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410763) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410692) said:
@tiger_one said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410636) said:
And Phil Gould again adds his twopence worth:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-issues-michael-maguire-phil-gould-breaks-it-down/3466089e-fb32-4169-9f3c-d08354a31bd3?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210709&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily&fbclid=IwAR29OlW5-J0cg4rRsZwUE2IAFCVFLgEb7okfJzJ8cwC543YkjCMccF22UEg

EXCLUSIVE: Phil Gould breaks down Wests Tigers' woes, the 'band-aid' solutions hurting club internally

Rugby league guru Phil Gould says the Wests Tigers' struggles are in part due to the club's default response to "band-aid over things" internally, rather than "to sit back from the outside" and discover what the real problems are.

The Tigers, who last reached the finals in 2011, look destined to again miss out on postseason football currently sitting 12th on the NRL ladder, with five wins and 10 losses to their name.

The Concord-based club's struggles have been highlighted by a number of internal issues, namely player unrest and speculation surrounding the coaching future of Michael Maguire.

Coming off three consecutive defeats, in which the Tigers have conceded a total of 144 points, pressure is continuing to mount on the club.

Gould says the Tigers, like several other clubs in the competition, are failing to appropriately address the internal issues that are leading to the negative results on the field.

"Having been involved behind the scenes in football clubs, sometimes the people inside the organisation can't see the forest for the trees," he told James Bracey on Wide World of Sports' Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

"They can't see it spiralling out of control, where people from the outside are looking at it like, 'Wow, look at what's happening here'.

"Internally, you're trying to band-aid over things and put out little fires and keep things moving along... then you have another bad day or a bad half and that allows all the other conjecture - you drop a key player, you drop a senior player, you change a captain.

"You do all these things internally that you think are the right things to do and you really need to sit back from the outside and look at it and get to the real root of the problem as you're trying to get out of it.

"I feel for them (Tigers). I feel for a lot of the clubs at the moment who struggle - it must be a torment for them out on the field, being beaten by 50 and 60 points and knowing you're not competitive."

Making particular note of two of the club's recent performances - last week's loss to South Sydney and the Round Five defeat at the hands of North Queensland - Gould said it's a concerning sign the club was thrashed in both first halves before turning things around in the second period.

The former NSW Origin coach claims the club's inability to stay on top during both the first and second half are signs of having "no resilience".

"The Tigers, they look like a club really under stress, they play like they're under stress. They never look comfortable," Gould added.

"I remember a game this year, they were raging hot favourites the day they were going to pay tribute to Tommy Raudonikis at Leichhardt Oval, and they were playing the Cowboys who hadn't beaten anyone.

"They were down by 26 or 28 points at half-time. I had a similar feeling about it watching them [against South Sydney] on the weekend - where they go out with all good intention, then it just prickles like a balloon or one little mistake or one little try, then all of a sudden it's an avalanche.

"They can't deal with it until they can get back with the coach at half-time. In both of those games, they've come out and had strong second halves.

"Which means, whatever he said to them at half-time must have had an effect. They must have been able to regroup, take a breath, calm down and then come back and start to apply themselves better.

"But why can't they do that with themselves on the field? It seems a lot of these teams mentally, it's all too hard for them. Once they get on the wrong end of a team with talent who can score the points, there's no resilience until next week or the second half, or whenever they can regroup and come again.

"That's not the signs of a professional footballer or a professional team. Attitude control and mental control is a key part of being a professional athlete."

One of the big talking points from the Tigers' loss to the Rabbitohs last weekend was the club's sudden change of its defensive structure.

The Tigers during that match trailed by 26 points at the main break after showcasing a defensive structure in which Parramatta great Peter Sterling said: "I haven't seen this kind of defence before... I've never seen a team stand still and then reverse before the play gets to them. It's an invitation."

Gould echoed similar thoughts and said Maguire's decision to change the defensive systems was the wrong thing to do given the position the Tigers are currently in.

"Sometimes they have some good results, but too often we see performances like that on the weekend. But what made it worse on the weekend was the revelation prior to the game, that the coach had changed the defensive structure for the team," Gould said.

"That's too hard to do in seven days. It's almost impossible to do against one of the top sides.

"What he was probably saying to them, mentally before the game, is that our defence can't cope with Souths, so we need to change something up very quickly.

"You probably get one or two sessions to educate them on it and it just fell apart. They didn't know what they were doing. They really didn't know what they were doing.

"Over time, he might be right, that might be the best defensive system for those players, but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of sessions to turn it around and change it.

"You probably wouldn't change it against the better sides like that, you've got to work with what you're training week in and week out. What they did on the weekend wasn't right for the South Sydney game."


Maybe we should invite him to conduct a review.

What about Brian Smith lol

Didn't he do one recently? Maybe we can get his son as head coach
 
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

If the plan is anything different to 5 1 out runs and a kick, they haven't been following it for the last 3 years.

I don't think the backwards, in and stand around defensive structures are working either.
 
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410771) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

If the plan is anything different to 5 1 out runs and a kick, they haven't been following it for the last 3 years.

I don't think the backwards, in and stand around defensive structures are working either.


We are talking defence and specifically the claim that Madge "changed the defence structure" in teh first half against Souffs, which is a figment of the Ch 9 commentators imagination.

How did those defence structures work against Souffs first time, Knights and Saints?
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Yep, pretty sure the plan wasn't to stand there and let them run past you?
 
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410786) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Yep, pretty sure the plan wasn't to stand there and let them run past you?

Maybe not the official plan anyway.
 
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410771) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

If the plan is anything different to 5 1 out runs and a kick, they haven't been following it for the last 3 years.

I don't think the backwards, in and stand around defensive structures are working either.

This is pretty funny.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

My point exactly. They made it look worse then it was in the first half because they weren’t applying themselves.
It’s the weekend with no tigers game. I might do some re watching of some of the past ones and see if I notice a change.
Curious to see if they came up and slide in the second half.
My thoughts is the retreating back in the first half was because they were half committed as a result the rabbits took advantage so they were forced to back pedal.

On Sterlos clip it shows the formation early in the first half, they come up ready to slide but then they have to retreat and chase. It seemed as though they second guessed it.

I’ll let you know if notice the defence change in the second halves or if it’s a matter of them just doing a better job of it.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410366) said:
@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410357) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410346) said:
@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410326) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410319) said:
Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Spot on mate.

Team selections will be very interesting next week, might be a few tense meetings when Madge proposes to dump half our salary cap to the twos.

Spot on @BAGNF05.

I'm sure there will be changes.

There has to be changes or Madge wont have a leg to stand on.

But what sort of changes will there be?

After Madge Very Rightly challenged the Real Men to stand up, that was a challenge to every player whether in the NRL side or Magpie Reggie's.
And that could mean some of the under performers in the top grade may accept Madge's challenge and show they are actually men and are prepared to be treated like men from now on, warts and all.

I dont think Madge is into cuddling his players, he's more like the Tom Terrific style of coach, ox hearts and all.

So the blokes that do need a cuddle can immediately go and play for Wayne Bennett or the nearest monastery even, where the priests will be only to happy to cuddle them to perform.
 
@helmesy said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410788) said:
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410786) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Yep, pretty sure the plan wasn't to stand there and let them run past you?

Maybe not the official plan anyway.

You don't know until you tried it Helmesy lol
 
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.

Wt players shit themselves when Souths come to the line before passing
 
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively
 
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410796) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410366) said:
@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410357) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410346) said:
@frullens said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410326) said:
@harvey said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410319) said:
Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Spot on mate.

Team selections will be very interesting next week, might be a few tense meetings when Madge proposes to dump half our salary cap to the twos.

Spot on @BAGNF05.

I'm sure there will be changes.

There has to be changes or Madge wont have a leg to stand on.

But what sort of changes will there be?

After Madge Very Rightly challenged the Real Men to stand up, that was a challenge to every player whether in the NRL side or Magpie Reggie's.
And that could mean some of the under performers in the top grade may accept Madge's challenge and show they are actually men and are prepared to be treated like men from now on, warts and all.

I dont think Madge is into cuddling his players, he's more like the Tom Terrific style of coach, ox hearts and all.

So the blokes that do need a cuddle can immediately go and play for Wayne Bennett or the nearest monastery even, where the priests will be only to happy to cuddle them to perform.

How did Madge end up with a squad full of players that aren’t Madge type players. That is the big question for me. Somethings rotten.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410799) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

I've been transported back in time to another Telecom management training course.
 
@bula said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410478) said:
@2005magic said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410465) said:
@bula said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410464) said:
Wouldnt mind a few more of our blokes playing with Gamble's intensity.

The one we (WT fans) wrote off after 1 bad game where the whole team was underwhelming?

That's the one.
Who do we have that gets up in faces, makes the one percenters and drags everyone else up with them?
Those that could - Laurie, Seyfarth ... ??? 20 games between them.
Those that don't - Brooks the immutable introvert. Noffa the space cadet. Twal the double scoop of vanilla. Tamou the invisible. Nigh nigh Mbye.
The two best bits of advice I have ever had from a coach are "You're not out there to make friends" a la Chee Kam (think JWH) and "Be a player, not a watcher" meaning make it happen.

Still have hopes for Blore for a bit of mongrel. Joffa has it but needs someone to go with him. We have a lot of spot fillers and watchers.

Sorry @Bula but I disagree with you re Brooks.
He's upset a few blokes, and blokes that are twice his size.
 
@the_patriot said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410487) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410474) said:
@the_patriot said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410467) said:
Based on his actions this season i fail to see maguire dropping anyone who actually needs to be dropped.

Earlier in the season we had perfect examples of players not turning up with the right attitude and the team getting smashed. His response was to drop young players like Liddle and Stefano.

Ill be shocked if he has what it takes to pull the trigger and put the likes of Nofo, Moses and Tahmou in reserve grade.

No just easier to have a little whinge in the post game about them not being men.

I agree Patriot

We can all see who needs to be dropped, so you would think Madge can see it also

Its just amatter whether he has the balls to pull the trigger come Team list Tuesday .
If he does it would breath life back into us fans , Im sick of seeing the same team trot out week in, week out and show the same lack of attitude and intensity every week.

Ive said it before id rather have a team of rookies come out and get flogged by 50 than see what we currently have out there and they still get smashed by 50


Im the same, id rather see the young guys come in and let their enthusiasm rub off a bit. Doing the same old thing will only get the same old results. The senior playing group has a really poor attitude and reputation.

Lets see if he does have the balls. Im doubting it

But what happens to the blokes that aren't quite to 1st grade standard yet or who haven't developed their body yet to be able to handle the manly toughness of the top grade?

Send a boy to do a manly man's job with the very real possibility of ruining their career before it even starts?
I dont want to see that happen, and I'm sure Madge doesn't want that either as it's obvious he cares more about his younger players careers than he does himself.
 
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410811) said:
@the_patriot said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410487) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410474) said:
@the_patriot said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410467) said:
Based on his actions this season i fail to see maguire dropping anyone who actually needs to be dropped.

Earlier in the season we had perfect examples of players not turning up with the right attitude and the team getting smashed. His response was to drop young players like Liddle and Stefano.

Ill be shocked if he has what it takes to pull the trigger and put the likes of Nofo, Moses and Tahmou in reserve grade.

No just easier to have a little whinge in the post game about them not being men.

I agree Patriot

We can all see who needs to be dropped, so you would think Madge can see it also

Its just amatter whether he has the balls to pull the trigger come Team list Tuesday .
If he does it would breath life back into us fans , Im sick of seeing the same team trot out week in, week out and show the same lack of attitude and intensity every week.

Ive said it before id rather have a team of rookies come out and get flogged by 50 than see what we currently have out there and they still get smashed by 50


Im the same, id rather see the young guys come in and let their enthusiasm rub off a bit. Doing the same old thing will only get the same old results. The senior playing group has a really poor attitude and reputation.

Lets see if he does have the balls. Im doubting it

But what happens to the blokes that aren't quite to 1st grade standard yet or who haven't developed their body yet to be able to handle the manly toughness of the top grade?

Send a boy to do a manly man's job with the very real possibility of ruining their career before it even starts?
I dont want to see that happen, and I'm sure Madge doesn't want that either as it's obvious he cares more about his younger players careers than he does himself.

That's one way to look at it.

The other is that he cares more about not losing the senior playing group like he did at Souths and is now going down with the ship.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410799) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410766) said:
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1410757) said:
He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back
 
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