Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[mike]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We are yet to beat a team close to full strength.

We've been blown off the park and humiliated this season.

We appear incapable of recruiting players of quality to improve the roster.

Our team looks uncoached, disjointed, disinterested and not up for the challenge when they run onto the field.

I would suspect the Board would not be doing its job if it had not been monitoring the Coach's tenure.

This for a team Maguire said on arrival was capable of making the 8 but just needed to fix the defence.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

Or ciraldo working with sheens.

don't think Ciraldo would come I think Gould woukd advise him unless Tim Sheens involvement changes that

 

[Bula]

Custer was confident of total victory a better comparison would be Von Paulus in November 1942

Sorrounded, Defeated, Despondent.
German 6th Army in Stalingrad.
Wests Tigers Fans.

Im Hitler in the bunker at this point.

Davey Crockett at the Alamo.

 

[Demps]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

Or ciraldo working with sheens.

don't think Ciraldo would come I think Gould woukd advise him unless Tim Sheens involvement changes that

Risk.... reward.

If a young coach came to the Tigers, it's going o e of two ways.....

Firstly, everyone knows.... we are struggling.
Commentators laugh at us, not many want to play for us and we can't win the big games.

Option 1) Coach comes, the same garbage continues. 9th - 16th finishes. No success. White anted or media pressure... quit. May have learnt something along the way about coaching (what not to do!?) But still, that's on your resume forever.

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You're up against it and everyone knows... yet, you're up for it. You're the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it's all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You'll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.


Nothing is impossible.
If a coach is scared of hard work, stay in Cleary or Gould's shadow.
I believe Madge thought he could achieve Option 2 but he hasn't been able to.
The foundation is in place now we need some real blokes, on the team and the coaching staff to kick the damn door in and get ready to win.


My suggestion, as you may have read before..
Is the team or brainstrust.

Tim Sheens (Coaching Director)
Brett Kimmorley ( Head Coach)
Ben Gardiner
Robbie Farah
John Morris

 

[Geo]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

 

[Demps]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

 

[hobbo1]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

Not gonna happen
We’re doomed I tells ya

 

[Geo]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

 

[Demps]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

I believe it's not an easy fix but not as hard as you'd think.

- Nofo, either run straight or play for another team. Bite the bullet... he goes or he plays properly.

- centres. We need them. Recruit them. Lomax, Scott... hell, can we get Momkrovski back?

- a lock. Twals a prop. Missing McInness was a massive failure and cannot be forgiven.

- the right coach.

If we can get all this together, we're on the incline.

 

[batboy]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

Or ciraldo working with sheens.

don't think Ciraldo would come I think Gould woukd advise him unless Tim Sheens involvement changes that

Risk.... reward.

If a young coach came to the Tigers, it's going o e of two ways.....

Firstly, everyone knows.... we are struggling.
Commentators laugh at us, not many want to play for us and we can't win the big games.

Option 1) Coach comes, the same garbage continues. 9th - 16th finishes. No success. White anted or media pressure... quit. May have learnt something along the way about coaching (what not to do!?) But still, that's on your resume forever.

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You're up against it and everyone knows... yet, you're up for it. You're the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it's all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You'll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.


Nothing is impossible.
If a coach is scared of hard work, stay in Cleary or Gould's shadow.
I believe Madge thought he could achieve Option 2 but he hasn't been able to.
The foundation is in place now we need some real blokes, on the team and the coaching staff to kick the damn door in and get ready to win.


My suggestion, as you may have read before..
Is the team or brainstrust.

Tim Sheens (Coaching Director)
Brett Kimmorley ( Head Coach)
Ben Gardiner
Robbie Farah
John Morris

Mate - I have friends that have been coached by Kimmorley...
He likened it to communicating with Aliens.
To put it nicely, He's not a Harold Matts coach let alone First Grade.
- Could be why he doesn't last in any coaching role he's had.

 

[tony soprano]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

Or ciraldo working with sheens.

don't think Ciraldo would come I think Gould woukd advise him unless Tim Sheens involvement changes that

Risk.... reward.

If a young coach came to the Tigers, it's going o e of two ways.....

Firstly, everyone knows.... we are struggling.
Commentators laugh at us, not many want to play for us and we can't win the big games.

Option 1) Coach comes, the same garbage continues. 9th - 16th finishes. No success. White anted or media pressure... quit. May have learnt something along the way about coaching (what not to do!?) But still, that's on your resume forever.

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You're up against it and everyone knows... yet, you're up for it. You're the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it's all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You'll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.


Nothing is impossible.
If a coach is scared of hard work, stay in Cleary or Gould's shadow.
I believe Madge thought he could achieve Option 2 but he hasn't been able to.
The foundation is in place now we need some real blokes, on the team and the coaching staff to kick the damn door in and get ready to win.


My suggestion, as you may have read before..
Is the team or brainstrust.

Tim Sheens (Coaching Director)
Brett Kimmorley ( Head Coach)
Ben Gardiner
Robbie Farah
John Morris

Mate - I have friends that have been coached by Kimmorley...
He likened it to communicating with Aliens.
To put it nicely, He's not a Harold Matts coach let alone First Grade.
- Could be why he doesn't last in any coaching role he's had.

Why we hiring him then?

 

[TheDaBoss]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

Or ciraldo working with sheens.

don't think Ciraldo would come I think Gould woukd advise him unless Tim Sheens involvement changes that

Risk.... reward.

If a young coach came to the Tigers, it's going o e of two ways.....

Firstly, everyone knows.... we are struggling.
Commentators laugh at us, not many want to play for us and we can't win the big games.

Option 1) Coach comes, the same garbage continues. 9th - 16th finishes. No success. White anted or media pressure... quit. May have learnt something along the way about coaching (what not to do!?) But still, that's on your resume forever.

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You're up against it and everyone knows... yet, you're up for it. You're the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it's all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You'll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.


Nothing is impossible.
If a coach is scared of hard work, stay in Cleary or Gould's shadow.
I believe Madge thought he could achieve Option 2 but he hasn't been able to.
The foundation is in place now we need some real blokes, on the team and the coaching staff to kick the damn door in and get ready to win.


My suggestion, as you may have read before..
Is the team or brainstrust.

Tim Sheens (Coaching Director)
Brett Kimmorley ( Head Coach)
Ben Gardiner
Robbie Farah
John Morris

Mate - I have friends that have been coached by Kimmorley...
He likened it to communicating with Aliens.
To put it nicely, He's not a Harold Matts coach let alone First Grade.
- Could be why he doesn't last in any coaching role he's had.

Why we hiring him then?

Halves coach

 

[jag]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

I believe it's not an easy fix but not as hard as you'd think.

- Nofo, either run straight or play for another team. Bite the bullet... he goes or he plays properly.

- centres. We need them. Recruit them. Lomax, Scott... hell, can we get Momkrovski back?

- a lock. Twals a prop. Missing McInness was a massive failure and cannot be forgiven.

- the right coach.

If we can get all this together, we're on the incline.

How about a backrower that can actually tackle as our one is no 1 in the league for try causes

 

[Needaname]

There’s only one coach that can get us out of this mess. Siebold.
Hire him as an assistant and watch the changes unfold.

 

[Dyloh]

What’s Laurie Daley doing?

 

[Tim Sheens]

The SOLE reason why Madge cld possibly retain his position next season is that the Board bizzarely re-signed him before a ball was kicked this year …for the next 2 years!!
Unbelievable…

This ^^^^

 

[jadtiger]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

I believe it's not an easy fix but not as hard as you'd think.

- Nofo, either run straight or play for another team. Bite the bullet... he goes or he plays properly.

- centres. We need them. Recruit them. Lomax, Scott... hell, can we get Momkrovski back?

- a lock. Twals a prop. Missing McInness was a massive failure and cannot be forgiven.

- the right coach.

If we can get all this together, we're on the incline.

How about a backrower that can actually tackle as our one is no 1 in the league for try causes

Lucy has gone backwards at the speed of light since his brother joined us.Many people said that Lucys work ethic would run off on BJ and BJ would be a massive gain for us.Sadly the exact opposite has happened, BJs lacklustre attitude has rubbed off on Lucy negating the good things he was doing before and turned him into a liability.
There is still hope for Lucy next year as he is still young but he needs to stay away from BJ (football wise) and really listen to what he is told to do by his coaching staff and do it.

 

[Demps]

There’s only one coach that can get us out of this mess. Siebold.
Hire him as an assistant and watch the changes unfold.

😂😂

 

[tony soprano]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

I believe it's not an easy fix but not as hard as you'd think.

- Nofo, either run straight or play for another team. Bite the bullet... he goes or he plays properly.

- centres. We need them. Recruit them. Lomax, Scott... hell, can we get Momkrovski back?

- a lock. Twals a prop. Missing McInness was a massive failure and cannot be forgiven.

- the right coach.

If we can get all this together, we're on the incline.

How about a backrower that can actually tackle as our one is no 1 in the league for try causes


Lucy has gone backwards at the speed of light since his brother joined us.Many people said that Lucys work ethic would run off on BJ and BJ would be a massive gain for us.Sadly the exact opposite has happened, BJs lacklustre attitude has rubbed off on Lucy negating the good things he was doing before and turned him into a liability.
There is still hope for Lucy next year as he is still young but he needs to stay away from BJ (football wise) and really listen to what he is told to do by his coaching staff and do it.

Been a nightmare on the right side